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7 Soldiers: Zatanna

 
  

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Quimper
23:01 / 23.11.05
That was some self-aware shit.

The story really started to reveal itself...literally.

Gwydion the "alphabet trapped in a tree that waits to become a book"...our little demon is the story...serving the New Architect of the Universe...Grant. Grant shows up later as the 7 Unknown Men after Z manages to reach through the universe in between panels...pushing her hand through printing presses, typewriter arms, letters, ink...to reach our world. Our world is where "there were tens of thousands of eyes, in different times and places, all converging on [Z]." She is asking us for forgiveness, begging us to forgive her for the sins in Identity Crisis...to make her a superhero again.

And she's absolved by the spirits who live with God in the metauniverse, beings reunited with their creator once they pass. "That makes you a superhero in my book." Problem solved. Now let's rock.

We get our hero, and our villian. Zor, the unlucky 8th. The one who opened the door for the Sheeda. Who are they? Us? The picky comic readers who feed off the creator's accomplishments and culture and pick it apart until it's dead, all on Global TV?
 
 
Aertho
23:10 / 23.11.05
Gwydion, "The Merlin", is the alphabet inside a tree waiting to become a book... and reveals himself to be one of the Seven Treasures.

Sword? Book?

What else? Boy Blue's Trumpet? That crown of Nob'dy's? The pair of Die? I'm still pissed Grant didn't name the girl who would be "Mindee". Chances are we'll never know the full list.
 
 
Mario
23:40 / 23.11.05
Well, we know the cauldron and the sword are two, which means that if Grant is using the standard Celtic model, there should be a spear (that was never thrown?) and a stone. The dice are probably the stone, and with Gwydion as the fifth, we need two more.

I suspect that the Tailor's sewing machine/loom is one. The other one could be anything from my earlier list (see the wiki page for SK 3)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:56 / 23.11.05
1. Remember: Gwdyion first appears as a face in a tree. But more importantly, THE TREE, the one reflecting all human knowledge, ever. Echoing backward through the text.

2. Props goes to Zatanna for her escape from being Zorina! She's transformed into the ultimate daddy-fantasy plaything derived from all that loneliness she felt when she created Gwydion, or summoned him. But she takes this change and releases herself, releasing herself from someone else's perceptions of her. I think this is the first part of her redemption, she moment where SHE DECIDES. Squee!

3. Misty's statements about the end of the world. Naturally they go right over Zee's head; no matter what may have happened to her, no matter what she's done, she's still too optimistic about saving the world.
 
 
Aertho
00:00 / 24.11.05
Melmoth says Croatoan's an artifical intelligence summoned by the die. I'm not sure the die are one of the Seven Treasures.
 
 
Mario
01:35 / 24.11.05
Fair point.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:48 / 24.11.05
But we've fairly conclusively seen superscience and magic equated, so it's conceivable that the die is the foundation stone and one of the treasures - and that the Sheeda view it in a more practical/sci-fi fashion.
 
 
Aertho
14:27 / 24.11.05
Amazed at how Prometheatastic the Zatanna mini is. Makes me wonder if that's what Moore was cooking all along. Start with Wonder Woman, add two cups of Zatanna, add a dollop of Phoenix, and sprinkle some Storm. Voila! Promethea.

And Gwydion's perfect for Zee. Both are books in human form.
 
 
Mug Chum
15:22 / 24.11.05
actually Promethea always seemed to me as a gone bad screwed up version of Flex Mentallo and Invisibles.

I would say the drama curve of Z's storyline seemed more Mooreish than the usual Morrison's.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:08 / 25.11.05
Fantastic book - really enjoyed this and Frankie #1.

I really love how (purposely) blatant the 'A Solider Will Die!! Will it be __________ ?' bit is at the end of each mini.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:37 / 26.11.05
Nice bit of cycling going on here - we open with Zor "for one night only," mirroring Zatara's performance in the first issue. However, while Zatara disappeared his pet/gimmick by accident, Zor deals with his pet dove's apparent disobedience by, ah, eating its head. And then he introduces the audience to his daughter Zorina as Zatanna is introduced to the Letterman crowd - and his audience is transformed.

While it has its flaws, storytelling-wise, the magical battle was well-done; demonstrating bigger-than-life super-battle and small-scale battle of wills. Most of Zor's magic is illusion; he fires golden bullets from his eyes and bloods Zatanna, but she seems fine later; maybe she repairs herself when transforming from Mad Zorina kcab ot annataZ. That said, the transitions between above and below were a bit off-putting at first. Gwydion is Zatanna's proxy, but Zor is above /and/ below?

Terry's brane universes / moment-in-time platforms return once Zatanna pulls herself through; I think this is the point when we -know- that Zatanna's back on top; she accomplishes this trip with the same determination that got the Mystic Scooby Gang into the branes in #1.

Possibly part of what released Gwydion in #1 was that Zatanna asked for her father's books to glow - only she was his books, so when they did it became a slight paradox or circuit. Gwydion might have recognized her both as a human being AND as a part of himself - she was of him as the Libri Zatarae, but she was also free to walk the waking world.
 
 
Aertho
16:48 / 26.11.05
Which repeats the subset argument.

Gwydion is all potential books. Zatanna, from one perspective, is a series of magical books. And we read about both of them as characters in a series of comic books about magic.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:02 / 26.11.05
Heh. Rebis and his Russian dolls, expanded into a "megaseries."
 
 
Lel
19:28 / 26.11.05
So what exactly are the torn wings Zor is holding when he first appeared? I thought he might have grounded Justine's horse, but it shows up fine later on.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:38 / 26.11.05
I think the torn wings are classic white magician's pigeons (i.e. the ones you make fly out of your hat on stage), but since he's an EEeeeevil magician, he's bitten their heads off a la Ozzy Ozborne biting the head off a bat on stage (note the blood on Zor's eyes and the pigeons/birds without heads, bloody stumps where their heads should be).
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:31 / 26.11.05
Right. That's not just a set of wings, that's a whole body. Note the feet.
 
 
The Falcon
23:45 / 26.11.05
Been fannying about on WIKIpedia, and I note famed Zatanna-obsessive (and Lost writer, or have I just made a gross, embarrassing mistake?) Paul Dini is married to a magician called Misty.

Coolio.

Anyway, I loved this. Zor's brilliant, what a complete bastard. Doesnae look much like the TTT, as seen previously, but I guess he must be.

"Ever seen one of them do that before?" Yeah, couple times. Still a good trick. I particularly like the panel where Zor's getting 'peeled from the surface of space-time', and I dig the conflation of sentient universe/alien abduction experience that's gone on there.

Zatanna and SK have appealed most so far, because there's a greater sense of purpose to them; y'know, Zee's the rulebook, Ystin the history. Wot's Jake? He's just a guy, you know. Great guy, mind. Suspect Mister M's got more coming in terms of framing the debate, but still.

Also neat was the four books expo/device; I still have bother making #3 earth, cause it's kind've unfocussed, sacrifices to the overall plot and that, but the others definitely work.

Outrageous outfit this ish, too. Much sexier than Bulleteer.

Really hope fishnets doesn't die.
 
 
The Falcon
23:47 / 26.11.05
P.S. OMFG I was sort-of right about Gwyders. Eat it, Chad.
 
 
Aertho
04:48 / 27.11.05
What What? I've never disregarded you Dunc. Points for the early decipher.

because there's a greater sense of purpose to them; y'know, Zee's the rulebook, Ystin the history. Wot's Jake?

Jake's the fury. He's the heart, heroism, downright determination, and passion.

What do suppose that makes Klarion? Mr. M? Alix and Frank?

Ha! I hadn't thought to overlay the four of the mini with the explanation of the Liber Zatarae. Obvious now. I'm still convinced of the Horsemen comparisons... but earth for ish 3 makes sense... it's where she travels, actually does stuff, teaches Misty, etc.

Yeah, the closet of costumes(!) for Zee is great. Fishnets are more her thang than Black Canary now, right? They ain't going away unless she's got some JLA snowsuit mission. I want the wild crazy unkept hair to stay.
 
 
LDones
05:04 / 27.11.05
The element comparisons in the first phase were telegraphed a bit with the inclusion of the elementals here and there, the golem in Guardian, the wind gent in Shining Knight...

Not sure thematically where the take-off from there is, but each of the first four soldiers is representing an element, and the issues themselves may use them as take-off as well.

I think a Four Horsemen connection is exceptionally tenuous, with next to no indications of an intended parallel; but the numerology of the thing is obviously oin Morrison's mind, so I'm not opposed to it being potentially useful to the enjoyment of the books.

I'm interested in the themes of the next three minis, which, from their first issues anyway, seem purposely much less tidy, more ragged, confused.

After a reread or two of this issue I really enjoy it, even if the 4th wall breaks were a bit heavy-handed. Daddy dynamics, magic as contact with alien/fictive reality, and no-bullshit heroics handled tidily and elegantly.

Was curious if they'd already replaced Zor as one of the 7 Unknown Men, since there are 7 figures above Zatanna when she makes contact with them, bringing that treacherous Eight = Bad dynamic up again (Sheeda spiders, etc.).

I wonder how many other people put their hand to Zatanna's on that great page.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:20 / 27.11.05
I especially liked the 'think yourself lucky' bit - I've coincidentially been reflecting on this in my meditations recently. Also, the instantaneous fulfillment of Z's wish for a new adventure.
 
 
Mario
14:18 / 27.11.05
Hmm...7 Soldiers, 7 chakras. Must think about this.
 
 
Aertho
14:44 / 27.11.05
Chakras don't work well when lined up with the soldiers. It makes Klarion a much nicer person than he ought to be.
 
 
Aertho
14:48 / 27.11.05
I think a Four Horsemen connection is exceptionally tenuous, with next to no indications of an intended parallel; but the numerology of the thing is obviously oin Morrison's mind, so I'm not opposed to it being potentially useful to the enjoyment of the books.

Oh I know. Sjust a carryover from the NXM threads. There is no support in the text thus far, but like you say: it being potentially useful to the enjoyment of the books.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:03 / 28.11.05
Odd thought - Zor and Zorinna, sideways versions of Czar and Czarina; Zor's intentions toward the world.

I'm hoping GM does something further in 7S with Gwydion and the Supreme Architect - as it stands, he feels like a plot thread that didn't really come to anything.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:15 / 28.11.05
Duncan: Also neat was the four books expo/device; I still have bother making #3 earth, cause it's kind've unfocussed, sacrifices to the overall plot and that, but the others definitely work.

I line them up the way Zatara lists them off; Water, Earth, Air, Fire.

#1 = Water, it's all about Zatanna being at the bottom of the well, looking for compassion from strangers, generally being an emotional mess. Lots of tears.

#2 = Earth. She is sans powers, and defeats Gwydion by moving her "graceful body" around in the small space of Cassandra's back room. She uses physical objects around her, and is preoccupied with giving Gwydion substance. It's also notable that she seems more concerned with the nitty-gritty perfomance aspects of magic, rather than the Promethea-esque mazes of #1.

#3 = Air. Her battle with the Tempter is all about logic, him being an obsolete thoughtform. She works out Misty's backstory, and we have repeating images of Ali being ghostly, Vanguard the winged horse, and the dead - the final exhalation of breath.

#4 = Fire. This one, the big battle with Big Bag Zor, is all about willpower - turning herself back into Zatanna from Zorina, reclaiming her powers, having the drive to break on through to the other side.

Of course, you can probably make arguements for any arrangement you want, but I tend to like this one.
 
 
The Falcon
18:01 / 28.11.05
Think I had it: Fire, Air, Earth, Water because these were at some point in each ish kind've predominant visually - Gwyders burns the Scooby gang, Gwyders captured as air - also a big cloud on title page, Earth doesn't really work as I say, and the locale of #4's a swamp.

Could be right though; on rereading, I did note that the order which her da gave her it didn't chronologically match. Speaking of, on my last read I was really struck by that meeting - bit've higher autobio, I think, and it's probably the most emotionally satisfying bit thus far.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:10 / 28.11.05
Yeah, I can't help but wonder if Grant's feelings about his late father informed that reunion scene. And That's not my wondering about that from some pseudo-academic or "I know G-Mozz like this" perspective, but because I know how much feelings for my late father inform everything I write.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:27 / 28.11.05
And seeing how the whole four issues have been kind of a love poem to lost fathers, it's a safe bet to assume that he's drawing on that in particular.

In thinking about the Libri Zatarae, it occurs to me that this mini will suffer from something in being collected; something about each individual issue being a different book might be lost in the trade form.
 
 
The Falcon
20:18 / 28.11.05
Tough shit for teh trade-waiters then.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:41 / 30.11.05
Been doing a re-read of Zatanna, start to finish. As an aside, I'm excited to see JHW3's Zatanna in 7S#1.

Tim Ravenwind's comments about the hungry ghosts of the Daathian Frontier made me picture him as some Kabalistic Cowboy, armed with spirit six-shooters and a pale, winged horse. Which barely fits with Tim in his tux, a bit effete if all were said and done, an intellectual. But I could see him imagining himself as that cowboy, out there in the darkness.

Zatanna walking on water like glass.

Compare #4, Misty & Zee on the end of the world: "Oh, look! Black Flowers. One day they'll cover the whole Earth. The sun will be red and all the seas will have turned to fog. It must have started here." / "Hey, gloom-cookie! It's not the end of the world yet." / "No, it's just what happens." / "Well, you know what they say in the movies...not on my watch."

...with Misty & Zee on the end of the world, from #1: "It might not happen." / "Huh?" / "The end of the world, the way you said. Sign my book?" / "Oh, don't you worry about that stuff. I didn't mean to scare anybody but myself."

It's just a nice bit of repetition and characterization at the same time; Misty knows what must come, while even at her worst, Zatanna can't see the apocalypse as the ultimate end; it's just today's threat. The latest, but hardly the greatest. There's always an answer. And I like how it shows that as cool and wonderful as Zee is, she's utterly oblivious half the time, and so caught up in the superhero game, even when she's punishing herself.

Zatanna as the Books of Zatara: Even with the nitty-gritty Earth of superheroes and the wisecracking Air of sarcasm, Zee offers Cassandra a little itty-bit cup of water almost without thinking. It was a little side-note of character, but I liked it; again, even when down she's attuned to what needs to be done, even when it's "just" keeping everybody calm and focused.

Misty Kilgore = Kilgore Trout, as mentioned way long ago upthread, but with KT comes KVonnegut and authors entering their novels to apologize for past wrongs (cf. Animal Man) and, potentially, characters rising up from their novels (Zatanna, in #4) - also jibes with Chad's ideas about the layered cube-within-cube universes. Misty entered the box.

Zatanna sports a different look every issue but is always in costume. Shades of Shadowcat!

I'm still a little sad that we don't get to see breakfast with the Phantom Stranger.

Ali in Shining Knight #2, "Horsefeathers." Coughing up feathers - in relation to Zor eating the dove's head. The chilling: "This is a ghost story, Zatanna. Ghosts will understand." I like that line. It's very small and sad and careful. They aren't meant to understand everything happening in front of them.

This is the one I'm sad about ending.
 
 
LDones
06:20 / 30.11.05
"Horsefeathers" is also a euphemism for "bullshit" or "nonsense", which dovetails nicely with the talk/conflict about mythology/magic or mud & meat in Shining Knight (and that runs meta through a lot of 7S).

Misty's comments about the end of the world seem like pretty solid confirmation that the Sheeda are from humanity's future.

I get the feeling with the Zatanna series (and 7S in general, but particularly with Zatanna) Morrison's really being grounded and thematically honest about a large number of subjects he's been writing about his whole career. I feel like there's a greater secret acknowledgement of bullshit in it, in the way Zatanna thinks it's possible she hallucinated her whole adventure as a coping mechanism, in the way she and Zor are both towering above planets and stars and actually just standing there in the swamp, thinking really hard at each other.

It's a more grounded Morrison in 7S than I think is usual, very honest (if indirectly) about belief in the fantastic in a seemingly very random and certainly difficult and misfortune-filled world, where despite it all belief really is louder and more powerful than bombs.

Like those big secrets religion or spirituality has to teach you, that it's all made up, but it doesn't really matter.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
06:33 / 30.11.05
Good post, LDones.

Not sure what else to say tonight. More later.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:21 / 30.11.05
I'm sure some of Zatanna's poses in ish four were sampled directly from internet porn.

all to the good tho eh? an its nice to see that grant's 'hard' work on filth, where he fully integrated porn into his creative toolkit, is now being liberally being spread on his other 'flowers'.

i love gm's 'enter the comic' comics.

dare de bestist.

dis vun was nysintite.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:24 / 30.11.05
Possibly the best lines of dialogue Morrison has ever written:

"You have a stupid beard!"

"Liar! It's a magnificent beard and I know you want one!"

Was relieved that the author of this comic did not appear in it himself. Nevertheless, found myself putting my hand to the page at one point.
 
  

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