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7 Soldiers: Zatanna

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13:32 / 10.04.05

Oh, I agree. The only reason I brought him up at all was the Ys/Zatara connection.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

22:11 / 10.04.05

Well, have we identified all the stories with the Warlock facing Zatara? It's possible he tried to conjure the Red God or something and it just hasn't noted properly.

22:32 / 10.04.05

He's the major foe in the recently-collected JLA: ZATANNA'S SEARCH storyline, which ran through several titles in the mid-60's. But a quick Google doesn't show a useful analogue.

10:28 / 12.04.05

Who is the 75 year old pre-teen in the support group? Does anyone know?

11:44 / 12.04.05

Does anyone think I'm reaching by saying that the teen-goth is an probably embodiment of Z's magical power being used by the whatever-the-heck-it-is baddie as an avatar on "our" plane to trick/ensnare her further?

12:04 / 12.04.05

must dash:

the glib 'alien rape' bit is gimmix' intervention at the hands of the bald dudes.

the shelves tell me gwydion used to go by the appellation 'Long-Arm' (among others o corrs) - someone bearing that name has already cropped up in 7soldiers. [lancelot is the 'dreamiest' of the knights of the round.] there's also a confusion of etymology that suggests gwydion could have been merlin's twin or perhaps his wife. it's the nasty, destructive aspect of the essential pivot of british myth.

errors in the last promethea, hah, thought so. new psych textbook for mister moore. the construction of this issue of zatanna is dead cheeky, and between this and the battle of allbeard it looks like mark morrison is actually facing up to the grand themes of his magick and funntbook careers.

12:30 / 12.04.05

>> Who is the 75 year old pre-teen in the support group? Does anyone know?

I think it's someone Grant just made up for this mini; she reminded me of the character Baby Doll in the Batman Animated series (2nd season). But I doubt he was thinking of this; who knows.

14:03 / 12.04.05

I'm not positive, but the character design reminds me a bit of a picture I saw, years ago, of the original Barbie doll. That would explain the "unable to age" part.

22:44 / 13.04.05

Read the comic. It wasn't bad. Even my prejudice against magic-using superheroes and Zatanna specifically didn't prevent me from liking it.

22:57 / 13.04.05

Whoah. That's an interesting thing to say. Why so anti-magic?

23:38 / 13.04.05

They're generally written either poorly or boringly... Usually, Dr. Fate or whoever is a deadly dull deus ex machina with legs. Magic can do anything, so there's no real tension, and without any sort of rules or parameters, everything can get out of hand.

As for Zatanna, I never found her interesting. The backwards-talking bit is especially grating to me. (Nevertheless, Zatanna #1 here wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular.) If I ever want a fishnet fix, I'll look for Black Canary.

And no, I haven't read Promethea, but I sorta want to. It'll have to wait until I finish amassing the rest of Grant Morrison's work I haven't read, though.

00:25 / 14.04.05

Why so anti-magic?

Because magic isn't real. It's dumb.

00:38 / 14.04.05

Enjoyed it. Heads and tails above Manhattan Guardian.

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

06:24 / 14.04.05

Bio K9: Because magic isn't real. It's dumb.

As unreal and dumb as superheroes?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

06:31 / 14.04.05

At least magic isn't anatomically incorrect.

I'd like to see more of the support group; the overweight heroine seemed kind of cool, and the aforementioned Barbie Girl.

15:56 / 14.04.05

I seem to recall reading a chronology of the JSA where it was mentioned that Mary, girl of 100 gimmicks gets lost in some other dimension ruled by some multi-tenticled alien creature. She spends a period there and is eventually saved. This may well be what GM was referencing but I'm really not up for reading through that chronology again.

12:24 / 15.04.05

Possibly. I think he's dovetailed it with what Gumbitch said above, though.

21:56 / 15.04.05

Okay, I admit it. Upon rereading, I found Zatanna to be "really damn good," much better than when I first picked it up.

11:46 / 16.04.05

I thought the art was great (shades of Wrightson in places) the story set things up okay - but never got an idea that Zatana lost her powers, so much that she didn't want to use them anymore.

Anyway, the image of Zatana spelling for her ideal man, her back to us in the lotus - that's what Mrs The Ball (TBA) looks like when she sits up in bed in the morning, well, without the fishnets.

miss wonderstarr

11:53 / 16.04.05

that's what Mrs The Ball (TBA) looks like when she sits up in bed in the morning, well, without the fishnets.

Do you mean this girl doesn't yet know she's your girlfriend? So you just spy on her sitting up topless in bed, in the mornings, and plan for the day when she'll be yours.

12:51 / 16.04.05

Not quite Kovacs - she is my fiance, just waiting for the actual wedding to make it all offical like.

Does anything think that the flurry of intro issues could get a bit tiring with this series? I guess it'll all start picking up pace now that number 2's are due, but if all seven number ones had come out one after the other and then so on, I'm not sure the pacing would work too well.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

13:52 / 16.04.05

I find it definitely undercuts some of the Sheeda's threat; it's taking them a bloody long time to get started in their campaigns. In theory I like the soldiers don't meet each other, but with nothing really "happening" yet in any of the books I could get bored of that right quick--

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:29 / 16.04.05

Well, they are staggering things a bit, Shining Knight #2 comes out in a few weeks, and Guardian #2, and both those series will finish before Mister Miracle #1 comes out, and both Zatanna and Klarion will finish before Bulleteer and Frankenstein start, so...

I enjoyed this a lot, for me the weakest comic so far was the Guardian. I'm just wondering if DC will manage to keep publishing these comics in the order and on the dates they say they will. A comic series that Grant writes being published on time, I'm not sure that's happened since the days of Doom Patrol has it?

Speaking of which, there was a monster in that that was defeated by making it so slow that it won't destroy the universe until the end of time...

17:28 / 16.04.05

Most of Morrison's minis have made their regularly scheduled releases, yeah? Of course, I couldn't find copies of the last issue of 'Marvel Boy' or his FF '1234' thing, so maybe they were late, I was looking early, but in the end I just bought the trades. All of this will also be purchased in tpb format, just 'cause it's easier to carry than a stack of floppy single monthlies.
Any word on how these are to be collected? Four or less issues to a trade is just kinda crappy. Not that I haven't bought short trades before, but I'd rather not. Not at the prices they usually run.
I am amused by the somewhat autobiographical 'magicking for perfect lover going wrong' elements.
Am I the only one who prefers Morrison's ficto-edu-magick, in all its looseness and frenzy and winking, to Moore's dry and father-to-his-childrenly lectures with (or without) illustrations?
[threadrot] Right, then. 'Mrs. the Ball' is the best pun I've caught all day. I needed that. Oh, wait, no intentional 'misses the...', well, nevermind. [threadrot has ended]

19:41 / 16.04.05

Am I the only one who prefers Morrison's ficto-edu-magick, in all its looseness and frenzy and winking, to Moore's dry and father-to-his-childrenly lectures with (or without) illustrations?

That's cause you're so much more intelligent than us.

Moore works for me cause sometimes, you just gotta fuckin say it. And, now that you mention it, Moore is very father like... and Morrison is very... Loki-like. Each bats cleanup for the other.

13:15 / 02.05.05

There was a Prince Ra-Man (I knew I'd heard those words strung together before) in DC's obscure magical history. So King Ra-Man is the outgrowth of that, I guess.

And what's up with Ibis' magical spatula-looking wand? I'm just wondering what it is, exactly...

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

14:31 / 02.05.05

It's the Ibistick - yeah - and is/was pretty powerful. I'd actually be surprised if someone didn't use it at some point to resurrect Taia and Ibis. I haven't seen any reference to limitations on the magic...the thing could do anything...

18:31 / 02.05.05

In this, I liked Zatanna's costume very much - I think if she met me, she'd think I was 'cool,' and not at all like the inappropriate people she's been seeing lately.

18:35 / 02.05.05

Prince Ra-Man popped up for about three panels in Animal Man, when all the pre-Crisis folks were returning toward the end of Morrison's run. He didn't do much of anything, just got embedded in a wall and whined a lot.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

09:46 / 11.05.05

Is Misty related/based on the UK character of the same name?

11:21 / 11.05.05

I'd say very probably. Morrison has a history of revamping characters from UK comics.

Ever read Zenith?

01:50 / 12.05.05

Yeah, if you'd checked the muthafuckin Barbelith WIKI page youda known that shit.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

07:47 / 12.05.05

Sorry, I've been a bit behind, having just received the comic via Mail Order. I stand duly humbled and chastised!

15:49 / 25.05.05

preview up @ buzzscope (cover + first four pages)
Seven Soldiers: Zatanna #2

16:45 / 25.05.05

Another magic die? Hmmmhrmmrm.

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