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Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:47 / 29.01.06
Mmm... I'd say 'yes'. It's rather a slight premise for thread and there's already a discussion on that Nitch-ez-kee dude.
 
 
Spaniel
16:14 / 29.01.06
It's hardly theory-centric.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:54 / 29.01.06
I've put in the move.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:23 / 29.01.06
I've noticed that moderation requests seem to be being rushed through lately and yesterday it meant that a post of mine in comics was completely deleted. I posted three times in a row, and then decided it was more sensible to amalgamate them all into one post. So I made a request for the first post to be changed to include the additional content, then requested that the second and thirdrd post be deleted.

But what actually happened was that the second and third were deleted but the first was left with the original content. So my second and third post content got deleted without being added into the first.

In my case it's not that important - it's an easy thread about kids and comic content and my posts didn't take very long to write. But I'd have been gutted if it had taken me ages.

I guess you might say I wouldn't have posted three times in a row if it was for a thread which was more complicated and so this wouldn't have happened. But I just thought I'd mention it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:09 / 30.01.06
I voted on those proposals and I thought they were amalgamating into one thread, did someone else propose deleting your post before the changes went through? I was on the 'Lith a fair bit yesterday but didn't see any other requests for that...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:15 / 30.01.06
Oh dear, that might have been my fault. I did look at all the referal links but I might have got confused.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:17 / 30.01.06
Should the Fathers4Justice thread be locked? I ask this only because the thread has now become ShadowSax pretty much refusing to argue with anyone, especially if they have girlbits. I wonder whether the topic might be more profitably dealt with by locking this thread and if anyone wants to discuss it starting a new thread somewhere down the line.

However, as I've already been accused of bullying (for comedy purposes I assume) I thought I'd suggest it here first. The thread is sick. Locking is The Cure!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:13 / 30.01.06
Well girlbits are quite scary.
 
 
Shrug
22:26 / 02.02.06
Is their a new format for moderator jobs on modification of posts. I got an FTV&T job where the proposed change ran alongside the original in an oblong box rectangular box (rather than the usual one atop the other.) It'd be an improvement and purely functionally better if this was going to be the case from now on I think. (much easier to see what was modified). So then anyone else notice this recently?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:44 / 02.02.06
I´ve had that happen on and off in the past, but it seems to be some sort of freak occurance. Which is a pity, because as you say it's very handy.
 
 
Shrug
22:52 / 02.02.06
Yeah a pity, it'd be a neat little innovation to implement. I wonder what exactly causes it?
 
 
Char Aina
22:57 / 02.02.06
i'd say give shadowsax a bit more time to apply himself to the problem of why everyone is asking him all these difficult and tiresome questions before lockage.
perhaps with time he will get to answering them or accepting in-thread that he is unable to do so.

i challenged him to start athread describing the evils of feminism in the barbannoy thread, so we'll see how that pans out too.
not well, i'd imagine.
he'll probably ignore me as he has before.

do you think he thinks i am a lady?
 
 
matthew.
02:46 / 03.02.06
In ShadowSax's defense:

1) Barbelith can be amazingly rude and snarky. It can make one feel uncomfortable and alone, thus making one defensive and snarky in return. We jumped all over him.

2) He has attempted to bring forth stats and facts. He has not given up and started simply saying "You're all idiots" (Well... okay he kinda has... kinda: he called us ignorant. See point number 3!) His logic is flawed, but his heart is mostly in the right place.

from here: but i'm hard-pressed to find an ongoing political movement [feminism] that hasnt caused some problems here and there. for myself, i'm able to separate political and social movements from the individuals participating in them

It's not like he's explicitly said, "Women are teh evil." Yet.

3) The Barbannoy thread is unecessarily petty and cruel about ShadowSax. We are talking about him behind his back. It's not fair to continue one argument over into another thread and leave him out of it. Essentially in Barbannoy, we're making fun of the kid who hasn't shown up for recess.

4) Some immediately accused ShadowSax of misogyny just because he has a problem with feminism. I don't think that's far. It's like crying out "racist" for saying one doesn't care for hip-hip.

and most fucking important of all:
5) He's not from the fucking bleed.


(mods: I wasn't sure about where to put this. Move it if you like.)
 
 
Char Aina
03:52 / 03.02.06
It's like crying out "racist" for saying one doesn't care for hip-hip.

sir, no its fucking not, sir.
its more like someone who has a problem with the civil rights movement being called a racist, and even then that isnt an entirely accurate comparison.

hip hop?
are you high?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:32 / 03.02.06
I really didn't want to talk about ShadowSax in the Policy but there are a few points here that I think must be answered.

kaleidoscopic matt erial 1) Barbelith can be amazingly rude and snarky. It can make one feel uncomfortable and alone, thus making one defensive and snarky in return. We jumped all over him.

Oh please. Even if you imagine SS's words being read by Postman Pat and everyone elses by Skeletor he's been remarkably well-treated. All that's happened is that he's been challenged to defend his opinion. A lot. Repeatedly. Mainly because it took him so long to do so.

2) He has attempted to bring forth stats and facts.

Only after many many posts of people asking him to and him preferring not to. And because none of us have access to the journals in the links he's suggested it's been a bit of a disappointment, as we have no way of knowing whether they do back up his position or not.

It's not like he's explicitly said, "Women are teh evil." Yet.

Only women that are mothers or solcitors.

The Barbannoy thread is unecessarily petty and cruel about ShadowSax.

I've justified why I did that over there.

Some immediately accused ShadowSax of misogyny just because he has a problem with feminism. I don't think that's far. It's like crying out "racist" for saying one doesn't care for hip-hip.

Erm, I'm leaving that last one for Petey Shaftoe. On misogyny that came into the discussion by Fridge to describe elements of F4J after ShadowSax has already taken part. Only two people have actually accused ShadowSax of misogyny, of which I am one. A few others have talked about views of his which appear misogynistic. Some people have talked about his views on feminism, but mostly people are arguing with him and what he says. And that's what we normally refer to as 'good'.

Also, I only suggested we lock the thread last Monday because at the time the debate appeared to have stalled into people merely restating their positions. However, the thread then moved on a bit so no move to close was proposed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:32 / 03.02.06
4) Some immediately accused ShadowSax of misogyny just because he has a problem with feminism. I don't think that's far. It's like crying out "racist" for saying one doesn't care for hip-hip.

Sorry, matt, but they're right. It isn't anything like that. Also, keep an eye on your use of language. What are you getting out of the adverb "immediately", the modifier "just" and the verb "cry out" there? What do they do to the thought you are expressing?
 
 
matthew.
12:42 / 03.02.06
Fair enough. I take back the "hip-hip" analogy.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
13:46 / 03.02.06
Should this Passion of Manchester thread be moved to Radio & Music? It is in need of some new life as a forum, and a thread about the Resurrection done using Joy Division and The Smiths seems entirely more suited to there than Conversation.

The typo in the thread could do with fixing too.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
07:03 / 07.02.06
I think there are several problems with this
thread.

The first post seems to do what any first post on the Switchboard should, but then it just seems to dissolve into bullshit. Mentioning no names.

Am I wrong? I may be. Is this thread actually worth keeping?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:26 / 07.02.06
If they don't stop flirting, I think we should move to delete their posts. Same drill as Morpheus, really - bindweed gets trimmed.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:51 / 07.02.06
Why don't we just move it to conversation and start a new thread with similar content in the first post and a warning attached?

That would be a whole wad of deleting.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:53 / 07.02.06
Plus it would be such a shame to destory evidence of a burgeoning love affair.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:57 / 07.02.06
Never know, it could be good for their careers.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:07 / 08.02.06
ShadowSax has pretty much ignored/defied the request not to go around calling people "assholes". Can anyone give me one good reason not to move his most recent post for deletion?
 
 
Persephone
01:34 / 09.02.06
Oh, hey-- could I also get this sentence:

I've already seen a few things in the other hurricane threads, please feel free to repost.

taken out of the abstract of The Thread For Activism in Switchboard? I like how it's broadening & it doesn't have to be so hurricane-specific. Thanks all.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:47 / 09.02.06
Persephone- request's in.
 
 
Persephone
08:49 / 09.02.06
Thanks, much appreciated.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:45 / 12.02.06
Should we delete some of the older threads in conversation?

I ask this because a couple of posts have just been deleted by a member of the board and it seems reasonable that we might think about deleting a few of these threads.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:48 / 12.02.06
I'd rather not until such time as we're asked to, to be honest... that particular poster quite often requests deletions (which I usually agree to) and I think is trying to erase their history on the board, which is fair enough, as none of them seem to be posts which have led to anything which would make no sense without them- it's very much an isolated case. If lots of people were doing it, I'd say maybe we should just go for deleting old threads, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:52 / 12.02.06
Although in the request you've just put in, reading the rest of the thread in that case it DOES make sense to delete, as there isn't really much else.

I'd just rather we didn't take it upon ourselves to decide which threads others have contributed to are worth killing or saving.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:03 / 12.02.06
Truth.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:08 / 12.02.06
Yes. I've refused those requests because I think that even though they were only conversation requests, other people took part in them. I kind of feel like everyone involved in the conversation should be consulted before the whole thread is deleted - I know that's a big job but it's not just the poster making the deletion request that is affected.

In that thread there is some good advice and a few good links for people who might also feel the same way, and whilst I can understand the desire of the poster concerned to delete previous discussions about difficult times, I also feel that the board benefits from this kind of discussion.

The real problem here is that once you've been here long enough you'll almost definitely start to hold different opinions or be in different circumstances in your life than you did or were when first posting.

I am not sure whether a poster has the 'right' (and I use that word loosely) to 'edit' the board to suit their current world-view or circumstance, and I think that by signing up to and posting on a message board you almost 'have' to accept that what you say will be recorded in the annals of the site, whether you feel that way in a few years time or not.


Actually, I think this might be a much bigger conversation. At what point do we, as a site, say we no longer accept post editing? It's one thing to edit a post you made last night when you came home from the pub and were cross, and quite another to re-read everything you ever wrote and delete the things that make you feel uncomfortable a few years down the line.

The other people participating in any given thread are signing up to a conversation that they understand is going to be recorded in history and available on archive. Unless everyone in the discussion is agreed, I really think it's not helpful for the site to delete personally difficult threads.
 
 
Bed Head
22:19 / 12.02.06
I think this was the last discussion of this sort: Is barbelith an archive? Should it be?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:19 / 12.02.06
I think we need to have respect for people's mental health though and the changes in the way that they respond to putting personal information on to a public forum. Anyone can read this board and that can make a person respond very anxiously to what they have written even if there is no link to their identity.

I hate the things that I wrote 3 years ago, 70% of the time I squirm with minor humiliation when personal information appears that I don't necessarily want present on barbelith and only my opinions and living arrangements have changed, not the state of my health.

It doesn't matter about those links, they can be re-discovered, rewritten and reposted. Personal information should be deleted if someone seeking that peace of mind requires that to be done.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:26 / 12.02.06
I don't say this often but very occasionally we have to approach this place as individuals with other individuals on a pretty inconsequential message board and not like a state, an archive or a log.

We're talking about a thread that is so personal that it will probably never be resurrected, that is over three years old. If someone wants their misery wiped from public record than I think we should just do it out of respect for them.

If we can delete nastiness than we can certainly delete that.
 
  

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