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11:26 / 06.03.06

I didn't think about how to enforce it. I figured he'd do it himself as a goodwill gesture, and I'm not sure that Tom checks in on Barbelith everyday if he's busy.

11:32 / 06.03.06

Somebody could always email Tom about it, ask him to deal with it as he sees fit.

11:38 / 06.03.06

Shrub, at best he has what he considers to be good reasons for his choice of name but has made a ridiculous error of judgement, at worst he's being deliberately offensive. Either way, bad move.

As to whether anyone's entered into a dialogue with him, well, as has *already been stated*, Chad's given it a go.

11:45 / 06.03.06

PMing Tom now.

11:53 / 06.03.06

I PM'd vir and suggested ve might want to check out this thread before doing anything else.

There isn't much that can be done to police Sensitive taking a month off until they can change their name. But it should be pointed out to them why this is considered an unacceptable name.

If their name change can be reset and they're happy to change their name then I don't have a problem with that. But I do feel that an explanation of some kind should be offered from Sensitive.

11:54 / 06.03.06

That's Sensitive I PM'd...not Tom.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

11:58 / 06.03.06

I also wrote a short PM this morning. Sensitive Boy hasn't responded yet (and I even took out all the swear-words before I sent it, too).

12:02 / 06.03.06

Whatever the motivation (or indeed gender of the poster), it's an inappropriate name and has a lot of potential for offense. Given that ve can't change it for at least four weeks without intervention, and that there are people who post on here who may have experienced sexual assault, it is at best an extremely insensitive thing to do.
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Shrub, at best he has what he considers to be good reasons for his choice of name but has made a ridiculous error of judgement, at worst he's being deliberately offensive. Either way, bad move.

Boboss, I agree completely. Just curiousity as to what the hell he/she was thinking.

And reiterating again, that his name should be changed immediately rather than waiting until the four weeks are up for the reason Evil Scientist gave.

12:02 / 06.03.06

It's probably best if Tom can change the name instantly, otherwise all the posts this person has already made will be seen even if he/she doesn't post at all for a month.

Has anyone emalied Tom to ask him?

12:03 / 06.03.06

Who is it, anyway? I don't recognise the old name, but 800 posts is a significant number. Somebody who normally only posts to one or two areas?

Just wondering if anybody's aware of there being a change in posting style to accompany the name change. Could always be a stolen suit.

12:07 / 06.03.06

I think before WW he/she had the appellation of Who Am I? How many People Am I". (if that helps)

12:10 / 06.03.06

And Krugg before that again, I think.

12:12 / 06.03.06

Usually posts in comics I think, remember some stuff on Warren Ellis, Ultimates the other day and so on. Nothing stands out really in a negative way, just a person who likes to discuss comics. Made some kinda yank criticism over in the movie section that kinda annoyed me, but don't remember him ever doing anything malicious or even controversial.

12:14 / 06.03.06

Lula, I've PMed Tom. See my post upthread.

12:17 / 06.03.06

Jack, yeah, it's strange. He usually makes reasonably considered thoughtful posts.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

12:25 / 06.03.06

You can be smart, reasonable, considered and thoughtful and still have a shagging great blind spot when it comes to this kind of issue.

12:28 / 06.03.06

at worst he's being deliberately offensive. Either way, bad move.

This might not be the appropriate location for this suggestion, but with arguments about sensitivity, safe spaces, and an unspoken modicum of decency now being argued on-board, I see this "Sensitive Rapist" as being just another PissChrist experiment. Deliberately offensive, sure. Then what?

I think, as a space that encourages introspection and social theory, should we really be making rules about things such as this? It may be offensive, but it may not be stupid. It may be a statement. We ought to provide him or her the opportunity to dig themselves out, or make the point ze wants to. I'm with Haus in Barbelith being an "unsafe" place.

Argh morning meeting. talk later.

12:38 / 06.03.06

Sure, they can have the opportunity to dig themselves out, but only after they've changed their name. The point is that Barbelith is going to become a very unsafe space if people are allowed to call themselves things like the name in question. And when I say unsafe I mean unsafe for people who have actually been sexually assaulted. Is that the kind of board you want? I doubt it.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:42 / 06.03.06

Chad: I think you and I have very different ideas about what constitutes a (good) unsafe space.

12:45 / 06.03.06

Sorry Boboss, I missed that what with all the posting about PM'ing going on.

It doesn't seem that this poster spends much of their posting time in the policy or in engaging with any of the board relevant threads, I suppose it's theoretically possible that he/she could have missed the feminism discussions and the sexual coercion thread and the name change is just coincidence.

Anyway, regardless of discussions we're been having, it's clearly a totally unacceptable name and I think if we can do, we should change it straight away. He or she can explain all about their 'political statement' later if they want to but I think we're all agreed it should go.

12:53 / 06.03.06

Haus: That may be true.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

13:01 / 06.03.06

Lula- indeed. If it was a statement, then the statement has been made. If it was to gauge the board's rection then I think that's been done too (and I like the way the board's reacted thus far, I have to say). I'm interested to hear if the poster in question actually has a valid reason for this- I can't think of one, to be honest.

A Tom name change, would, I think, be better than a hiatus (not wanting to give the poor bugger any more hassle, but still...) because otherwise it's gonna have the original name in "previously:" underneath for a whole 'NOTHER 28 days, and I'll guess it'll be just as offensive in italics as it is in bold.

13:26 / 06.03.06

I think, as a space that encourages introspection and social theory, should we really be making rules about things such as this?

It falls under current ruling about behaviour on site, so I'd argue we're not doing anything new here.

It may be a statement.

Possible, but I think it's unlikely. If it is a critique or satire of the recent discussions in Convo then I would have thought that Sensitive would have been more involved in the discussions on the Feminism 101 thread. Rather than just changing your name without comment to anyone.

Another possibility is that Sensitive is trying to test the level of tolerance of Barbelith post-Feminism 101. If that's the case then I would at least expected them to contact Moderators and ask their opinion before changing their name. This has not been the case.

We ought to provide him or her the opportunity to dig themselves out, or make the point ze wants to.

Which we have done, here. We're waiting for a response.

13:28 / 06.03.06

Update

Tom's got back to me. He's emailed Mr Sensitive and suggested that they work together to change his name immediately.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

14:02 / 06.03.06

I know it's hardly a new sentiment, but hooray for Tom! Really, the shit that guy has to put up with running this place, he deserves a medal of some kind.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

08:11 / 07.03.06

I note that the namechange has not taken effect. Anyone heard back from this guy?

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:16 / 07.03.06

He's emailed Mr Sensitive and suggested that they work together to change his name immediately.

It strikes me that in order for this to have the desired effect, the "previous name" function will not be used.

Will the poster in question then be able to carry on posting freely on Barbelith, chatting away about comics, making funnies in the Lateshift, with many people none the wiser?

10:10 / 07.03.06

Will the poster in question then be able to carry on posting freely on Barbelith, chatting away about comics, making funnies in the Lateshift, with many people none the wiser?

Presumably yes. I don't really see what else can be done. As far as I can see this incident is a "first offence". I'd suppose that posters can keep an eye out for any future problems.

Is there an alternative Flyboy?

Regrettable Juvenilia

10:18 / 07.03.06

There is a very obvious and moderate alternative. Flush him out of the airlock.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:50 / 07.03.06

Without an apology or any indication that this poster realises that his nick is offensive as all get-out and why, I don't think banning would entirely unreasonable. However, let's give it a few days before we seriously consider spacing 'im.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:15 / 07.03.06

We're back, in a way, to whether being very, very stupid is necessarily a banning offence. Wailulah's Whimsy as Was I have only recently encountered mounting a rather confused commentary on racism, here. In light of that, and a possible lack of socialisation, I'd be up for allowing this one to blow over if a technical fix is possible (changing the username twice, most likely), as long as it is not forgotten.

A lot, I think, depends on how one reacts. In the same thread, Astrojax apologised with apparent sincerity to his use of a racist term, and nobody has said anything more about it or held it against him. By contrast, the boy Baptiste made his racist comments everyone else's problem, and, well, nobody wants to go to his birthday party.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

11:27 / 07.03.06

Mordant- quite- we have no way of knowing how often the Sensitive one uses the board, or if he's even somewhere with net access at the moment. If it really doesn't look as if there's any contrition there, then banning certainly shouldn't be out of the question. But give the guy time to respond first.

12:32 / 07.03.06

Based on his posts in the above link to the Cricket thread, the SR's recent name change seems a bit out of character, to say the least. His tone there seemed to be extremely conciliatory ('can't we all just be friends?' etc.) I just wonder what's changed...

12:38 / 07.03.06

Sorry, the actual quote was 'Let's try and stay friends, shall we?' from about two thirds of the way down page 5 of the thread.

13:54 / 07.03.06

Did he continue to post using the offensive fictionsuit name? Was there any change in posting style from his previous incarnations?

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