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Ganesh
22:09 / 08.01.06
Addict.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:30 / 08.01.06
Well I do accept the fact that you think we're all psychic (not you Stoatie but everyone who was involved in the whole discerning process) and basically I find it slightly disconcerting that you expect us to work on no actual information and that we then get fundamentally told off for reading and making decisions about moderation requests. I thought that was what moderator's were supposed to do but apparently I may have been wrong. I was especially surprised as this has never happened before and I wasn't really expecting it to.

I have thought about this since my last post and actually looking over the thread I see no reason to be polite to anyone who thinks this was the right course of action to take. I have been very concessionary but at the end of the day what you did was put through moderation requests without actually telling anyone what was really happening and we just had to assume that they were accurate. That's silly and if you want to work on that basis then I suggest you think long and hard about the moderation system, who you want to be moderators and whether it really means anything at all. This warranted a new thread in Policy because people need to know immediate information when this sort of thing happens.

I was completely in the dark about this. I didn't know anyone was being banned, as far as I was aware it had only been suggested that TW was a baddie and only after I had disagreed was evidence presented to me. I vetoed because I didn't know and I think it's far too serious to agree things you don't know and it's your responsibility to act fast, in the best possible way to this kind of request.

Haus you've been quite bad in this thread. You told me to skip instead of disagree but why should I assume that you're always right? As far as I'm concerned you're a person like any other and could make mistakes like any other person. If I had known there was some kind of consensus and banning going on that would assuage my fears but I didn't know. I would say that telling people to just do what you say is really very uncivil and quite absurd.

I know next time you say you will do things properly. I think you had better unless you particularly want moderators to not read and consider things properly. In which case I say again: what's the point of distributed moderation?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:32 / 08.01.06
Now go back and read all of that in the voice of Felicity Kendal, which is the voice I was using while writing it.
 
 
Smoothly
22:44 / 08.01.06
It reads more Penelope Keith, you know.
 
 
Ganesh
22:49 / 08.01.06
Mmm. As Margo.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:05 / 09.01.06
Neens, I get it. You have explained what it will take for you not to veto a motion of this kind in a thread you moderate. I have taken it on board. I don't see where else you want to take it.

As it is, this does highlight a disjunct between what moderaors can do and what is done. The identification and banning was not actually done by moderator actions, as no such mechanism exists - it was done after discussion between a number of people and a decision by Tom. Where the process bogged down was the clean-up afterwards, which is to a greater or lesser degree optional. It is already the case that one moderator in the Conversation has a heterodox approach to deleting posts and threads by known trolls, and nobody is particularly bothered to sort this out. It is now also known that without links to supporting evidence another moderator in the Conversation will not believe that posts identified as coming from a known troll are from a known troll. That's fine, too. The important bit here is the banning, really. Whether the removal of that bit from the power of the moderatig process is probably a worthwhile topic - whether it is a technical blunder or a tacit admission that some things are actually cannot be trusted with moderators, for starters.
 
 
matthew.
20:51 / 09.01.06
Can I ask a question? Is Tits Win banned or not? I'm so hopelessly confused.

matt...from the bleed.
(no just kidding, i'm really from a womb)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:26 / 09.01.06
I believe he is - essentially, the fictionsuit "Tits Win", which had fallen out of use by its legitimate owner, was taken over by one of our old trolls. Since the person occupying that suit has been banned from Barbelith, the fictionsuit has been shut down.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:37 / 09.01.06
Could those creation mods who have just deleted Hawksmoor ... FROM T3H BLEED's short stories in the Creation possibly go back and move to have the threads deleted also? They look a bit messy with -1 entries...
 
 
Char Aina
23:47 / 09.01.06
they were deleted?
dear god, why?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:00 / 10.01.06
I assume because he felt that they weren't going to get a fair hearing. In his defence, I can't entirely say I blame him.
 
 
Char Aina
00:03 / 10.01.06
ah, right. by him.
of course.
i wasnt thinking post deletion for some reason and i was thinking it was mods had deleted his stuff.
 
 
Mazarine
00:28 / 10.01.06
At the risk of reduncdency, does anyone think it would be helpful if we had a thread, similar to this one, which just flat out states suits that have been trolljacked, with a link back to any discussion? Or not so much?
 
 
Spaniel
08:07 / 10.01.06
Did TW turn out to be the Old Foe, then?
A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to give him any more board space than is strictly necessary.

Feel free to PM me if you know the answer.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:04 / 10.01.06
A bit more communication about what was happening there would have been welcome - he has threads and posts elsewhere on the board that have yet to be deleted because not all of the moderators know what's gone on.
 
 
Sniv
16:14 / 10.01.06
Is there some kind of history thread for us newbs that have no idea who these people are, or their history of trolling? I guess I trust the mods' decisions, but it would be nice to have a little background on who these Old Foes are.
 
 
Quantum
17:53 / 10.01.06
I'm having trouble keeping up as well, Barbelith moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. I can see the reasons to avoid giving boardspace to The Bad Man but a Banning thread could be a useful place to discuss these events and put evidence etc.

Am I being hopelessly naive? Will it just centralise trolls attention? Wha g'wan?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:55 / 10.01.06
In lieu of anybody bothering to fill the rest of us in, can any G&G moderator who *is* privy to TW's identity please make a decision on the future of this thread in the interests of consistency. Because I sure as hell can't.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:00 / 10.01.06
Randy- I've been worrying about that one too... I'm inclined to say that as, in itself, it's not particularly offensive, I'd let it stay until such time (if such time ever happens) as we know decisively that TW has been banned and what resultant policy has been.

I'd be up for a move to Conversation, though- it's no longer G&G material, and TW himself requested a move on these grounds a few days ago... I passed, because of all the other TW-related shit that was going down- if it was gona be deleted, I didn't want to confuse the moderation queue.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:40 / 10.01.06
I'd just delete it, personally - who'd want to carry on posting to a Knodgethread? Another one can be started perfectly easily if the will is there.

To clarify - TW has been identified and the suit shut down, and as a result of this a loophole described by Tom here has been closed.

Kaiser John: This is pretty much our only recurrent banned user. It's a rather sad story, the basics of which can be found here.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:10 / 10.01.06
In which case, I'll propose a deletion.
 
 
grant
11:49 / 11.01.06
i wasnt thinking post deletion for some reason and i was thinking it was mods had deleted his stuff.

No, what he'd done is delete the posts, not the threads. I put the topics up for deletion after a brief PM conversation with him.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:04 / 11.01.06
Whither Charles Kennedy?

Could a Switch mod take a look at it and maybe update the abstract so it reflects the thread? Thanks.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:06 / 11.01.06
I've put a request in.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:12 / 11.01.06
Rocschellente.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:51 / 12.01.06
I've just disgreed a request to change the spelling of the title of the thread Killin an that, because I think modifying the topic summary is enough.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:17 / 12.01.06
Is it just me, or would Hawksmoor's _art_ fit better in the Conversation than the Creation? Alternatively, in lockanddeletania...
 
 
Shrug
14:38 / 12.01.06
I suggest a Hawksmoor Forum.
(Yes, lock and deletia after Tom has seen them rather than convo where the situation could get worse and worse.)
 
 
Sekhmet
14:41 / 12.01.06
Maybe it would be best to leave them for now, unless we want to engender another extended round of trollfeeding - Convo being a more visible and high-traffic forum, a lot more people would probably jump into the fray...
 
 
Smoothly
15:00 / 12.01.06
I agree with Shrug and Sekhmet. There are more mods in the Convo – which would be an advantage – but the shitstorm's bound to escalate if those threads were to go there, and I don’t think he deserves the attention. I'm not even sure the alert in the Barbequotes thread was a good idea.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:09 / 12.01.06
I don't see why we can't at least lock Hawksie's threads. I tend to feel that anything worth saying therein has been said, and that any further engagement, tempting though it may be, is just pandering to an attention-seeker. They'd still be visible and are unlikley to sink very far as the Creation is a fairly low-traffic forum.
 
 
Sekhmet
15:24 / 12.01.06
I'm all for locking the suckers.
 
 
Sekhmet
15:29 / 12.01.06
Particularly since I can't seem to stop posting to them. Arrgh. Lock lock lock delete delete delete.
 
 
Shrug
15:39 / 12.01.06
The only argument against locking them would be that Hawksmoor is relatively contained and occupied within his own threads for the moment. As he isn't banned yet, presumably he will be, I'd rather not have him exploring the rest of the board.

(Acchurly I'm probably being overly paranoid about it. I'm going to propose locking with the above concern voiced in the reason section later tonight, other mods can agree or disagree as they see fit, I suppose. That okay?)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:55 / 12.01.06
Locking and deleting would only really be appropriate if Tom agrees that he is a troll and delete's his suit. Until then I think we have to treat the fucking moron with a little respect and leave his cretinously stupid threads in the correct fora.
 
  

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