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18:09 / 07.12.05

Could someone add an 'i' to this thread title, please? Everytime I read it, I think of Kathy Burke-voiced adverts for fizzy drinks...

03:13 / 08.12.05

Could someone delete the two First Amendment Posse threads in Convo with -1 posts?

Thankee.

(Oooooo. Post #666.)

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

04:12 / 08.12.05

Requests are in.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:36 / 08.12.05

Should the 'Grant Morrison Interviews' thread be locked? It's not like it's anywhere near the original topic any more...

18:43 / 08.12.05

I'm moving for it to be moved to the Convo

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

18:59 / 08.12.05

Yeah, I'd go for a move rather than a lock.

19:19 / 08.12.05

I dunno, I kinda think it might be a rather good idea for the Comics forum to have the one catch-all thread for containing all the little spurts of discussion that each *new* Grant Morrison interview generates. I thought that was what that one was. Or could have been, if you’d locked it rather than moved it. The thread for linking to, then talking about, “New Grant Morrison interviews”.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:11 / 08.12.05

Being moved to the Convo doesn't stop it being linked to, though... and not being locked means people can still post to it, rather than think of that great bit of GM-lovin' or hatin' and have to put it somewhere else and rot yet another thread...

To be honest, I didn't really see a problem with it being unlocked and left where it was, but given the choice, I'd go for moving over locking any day.

20:41 / 08.12.05

Well, sorry, maybe I’ve misunderstood the point of proposing a move, then. I thought that moving this thread rather than locking it was an acknowledgement that the thread was lost, and that in Convo the current rot can continue if it wants to and can then burn itself out. That the Morissey jokes and the monkeys, all the stuff like that, can now be posted next time someone bumps it, and it won’t really be rot any more, because now it’s in Convo, and that’s what happens to Threads That Go Wrong when they’re in Convo.

Leaving aside the unfortunate outbreak of Crazy Poster that has kinda taken over that particular thread, I was only trying to suggest that there could have been a use for that thread in Comics, or just a thread with a *title* like that. If you had locked it, you could have just unlocked it again when someone asked you to/next time there’s a new Grant Morrison interview, couldn’t you?

21:40 / 08.12.05

Yes, but by leaving it in Comics a rather bad example is set, no? I mean, it's hardly gonna cause a problem if another (on topic) Mozzer interview thread is started three months from now.

22:19 / 08.12.05

So, just so I’m straight, are you saying lets have a new thread every time there’s a new interview, or lets have a whole new ‘Morrison interviews’ thread for all interviews?

It’s just that I think *other* Morrison interview threads have descended into swingballery and TehMadness before now. Morrison interview threads can be 3 or 4 pages of such stuff. If Convo can find room for 40-page Ugh! Fuck! threads and 50-page Random Q&A threads, then why not have the one catch-all thread in Comics for *containing* Morrison interview chat? Just as a thought. And then, that last one might actually serve as a pretty useful example the next time there’s a Morrison interview. Moving it to Convo might be more like resetting the counter to zero.

I’m just suggestin’. So, that was your reason for proposing the move was it, Boboss? That it would be setting a bad example to leave it where it was? Right so.

22:42 / 08.12.05

I think we *should* have a catch all thread, but I think *that* thread is so far off topic that whilst it could serve the aforementioned purpose, I'd rather it didn't because it sets a bad example.

Frankly, the thread should never have been allowed to get so far off topic. I think the Comics mods (myself included) should've stepped in much earlier.

22:44 / 08.12.05

...And hopefully we will in future, so as to avoid any resetting to zero related problems.

ONLY NICE THINGS

08:58 / 09.12.05

That thread was always offtopic, in the sense that the original post and almost everything after it had no relation to Comic Books whatsoever. TBH, this Hello! stuff belongs in the Convo anyway, as do the "Are my imaginary friends having imaginary feuds?" threads. Precedent there is, I think, the "Grant is getting married!" thread.

A single thread for Morrison interviews is a nice idea, but I think would suffer a) because very different themes from different interviews would spark the discussion in different directions and b) because, more practically, I don't think it's likely that people would necessarily update to that thread rather than starting a new thread. Probably perfect world, people would take bits from interviews where relevant to add to ongoing discussion of books, but not sure if that is achievable.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:54 / 09.12.05

Well, as a comics mod I'd be quite happy in future to cut and paste stuff into one thread to keep it tidy, I just feel that just as we started a new Superman #1 thread because of the Haus/Morrison stuff in the original that people might not want to talk about GM interviews in a thread with the stuff louisemichel was writing...

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:11 / 09.12.05

Just for transparency, I'm passing on the Lock request. I wouldn't lock it myself, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to vote Disagree, if others feel locking is good.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:33 / 09.12.05

I don't see any profit in locking it, but have skipped the request.

Goodness Gracious Meme

15:47 / 09.12.05

ditto.

15:51 / 09.12.05

...What’s the reason for the request? If it’s already been moved to Convo, then why the lock?

15:59 / 09.12.05

Precedent there is, I think, the "Grant is getting married!" thread.

Well, yessss... There are maybe two different precedents for deciding whether it’s a good idea to move threads about the interesting lives/innermost thoughts/glamourous wives of comic creators, rather than about the comic books they produce, into Convo - there’s the Grant getting married one, which suggests yes, do it, and then there’s the ‘Madness of John Byrne’ one. There was lots of shouty naying at the suggestion that that thread might have been happier and a deal funnier if it was shifted to Convo. Eventually it was left where it was and locked, and I still think that was the wrong thing to do with it. I’m All For moving joyless rubbish into Convo in an attempt to make it funny and worth reading.

Thing is, I do think there’s *a* place in the barbelith Comics forum for tehGrantfans to express their fannish devotion to Grant the man. I think Haus’s point about people possibly not using a catch-all thread is probably right, but *could* it be done? After all, Convo is able to accommodate occasional non-conversational random question-type threads outside of the specific Conversation thread that’s y’know, actually for such Random Q&As. A 'Grant Morrison Interviews' thread could be more about establishing some channels to accommodate this swingball stuff and gradually encouraging good practice and suchlike.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

19:08 / 09.12.05

As a Convo mod I'd much rather stuff gets locked and left in it's own forum rather than dumped in Convo, thankyew. I only moved the thread for lockup after reading this thread because it looked like if anyone posted any more to it it was going to get really ugly (overlooking the entire Holocaust thing that had already happened). But if you guys disagree then I'm cool with that. I was probably overreacting.

10:05 / 10.12.05

Could someone lock the Shut Up Gaiman thread? Just because it's going to descend into a petty shit-flinging match in about two posts. So speaks Bizunth, psychic to the stars!

13:53 / 10.12.05

Yeah, I agreed your lock, lady. I didn't think there was a lot of profit to be had in keeping it open.

If I should come across a new Grant Morrison interview, I will start a new thread in Comics, entitled 'Grant Morrison interview' (no exclamation mark).

16:13 / 10.12.05

It doesn't appear to be locked though. Did someone disagree it?

17:20 / 10.12.05

Right. Last time, let me just try and understand this, because “I see no profit in keeping it open” just doesn’t seem to precisely tally with a Big Definite Vote for locking it up...

So, going on what haus has said, this thread was probably unsuitable for the Comics forum after the first 10 posts, there was the potential for a move to Convo as soon as that, and the recent move was just catching up with that. And the current lock request is because of something said in *this* thread that means anyone posting anything to it now will cause it to get ugly, wherever it is. Is that right?

Well, I’m sorry if that last was my fault. I didn’t mean to raise any temperature by asking, I was just trying to untangle for myself what people were trying to achieve here. Thank you for answering and sorry if I’ve been a pest about it.

21:53 / 10.12.05

Is it just me or is there a much lower threshold for thread-locking than used to be the case?

ONLY NICE THINGS

00:57 / 11.12.05

Probably - more moderators, less reluctance to use moderator powers, more variety in thinking about what counts as an appropriate mod action.

If I should come across a new Grant Morrison interview, I will start a new thread in Comics, entitled 'Grant Morrison interview' (no exclamation mark).

Might be wise to identify its date and provenance also in the title or topic abstract.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

05:03 / 11.12.05

Is it just me or is there a much lower threshold for thread-locking than used to be the case?

I'd say so. Personally, I'm of the "locking is a second-to-last resort (deleting being the last)" school- if a thread's not actually offensive, I'd certainly think twice (except in "housekeeping" cases, like doubles, obviously) unless it's only just started and there's already a perfectly good one elsewhere.

06:42 / 11.12.05

The Samorost Thread in Convo. I know it's wonderful and everyone should play it, but possibly move it to G&G?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

07:13 / 11.12.05

I was gonna propose that, but the link's taking ages to open so I haven't checked if it IS just a game everyone should play- if it is, I'd say yes, G&G.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:15 / 11.12.05

Well, perhaps that Morrison interviews thread should have been locked as soon as Louismichel brought in the crunking Holocaust to support whatever point ze thought ze was making.

I would also again like to point out that because a thread is no longer suitable for the forum it's in that doesn't mean it should automatically be shunted to the Conversation. Th Conversation is supposed to be the playground, not the toxic-waste dump situated next door. I'm more in favour of locking it and letting it slip down the forum. After all, we can always talk about unlocking it at a later date.

13:53 / 11.12.05

I'm not sure that threads should automatically be locked when someone mentions the Holocaust. It's a bloody big warning bell, sure, but I'd be concerned if Godwin's Law = special threadlock.

ONLY NICE THINGS

08:44 / 12.12.05

Agreed - if there's an argument for locking it, it's probably that it was no longer adding anything useful to the discussion either of what constitutes success for a writer or how interviews with comics creators risk falling into adulation, or indeed anything else. The inappropriate Holocaust denial reference was a sign of this as miuch as a cause, but I think probably caused a number of people to lose respect and patience simultaneously. So. locking is a way to provide space and time for people to calm down, possibly - or to move it to PMs.

11:27 / 12.12.05

Well, see I was thinking it'd be an all-purpose thread every time the topic came around, as the previous one could've been before the excesses of arguing, for some reason, what constitutes 'success' became its' hallmark.

Bedhead, I didn't propose the lock, but Lady suggested that it had a potentiality for nastiness (imo, Haus had long since lost his tolerance and temper therein, and I agreed) and it had strayed so far off-topic as to move forum, so.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:46 / 12.12.05

Won't work:

1) Because unless that thread is constantly kept on the front page of the Comic Books forum, people are just as likely to start new threads whenever they see a Morrison interview, creating a conceptual split across the threads.

2) Experience tells us that as soon as anything other than respectful adulation is voiced within that thread, the Swingball faction will foul themselves explosively across the thread. Therefore, maintaining a single thread will require either a recognition that the discussion is likely to be at the level of "If you don't agree with me, you are directly comparable to a Holocaust denier", "Let's not fall into Political Correctness here, and instead focus on just how right Grant is about schizophrenics not being able to process metaphor" or, of course, "How . Dare. You? Grant Morrison is a professional writer, and as such is literally incapable of not being right in any belief expressed through the medium of writing", or the exercise of Stalinist restriction on any opinion likely to occasion them.

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