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Smoothly

10:38 / 23.11.05

Could we just tease that topic out into two separate threads? Since no actual games are being played yet, the current thread does feel very switchboardy at the moment as it’s more about infrastructure, the economics and politics of hosting the games than the events themselves. There is some bleed, but would it make sense to move that one over to the Switchboard now, before several different kinds of conversations start happing at the same time, and then create another thread in G&G for the ludic aspects? That could still be meaty, couldn't it? Could we separate out the politics of the games and the politics of the institution, for example?

matthew.

13:13 / 23.11.05

Hi, Mods, could someone delete the entire "Icebergs" thread in the Convo forum? I worked on the code for an hour and made it perfect in the preview, but when I did a real world test (AKA posted it), it was borked like nobody's business. Then I deleted the first post, and that looked silly. So then Smoothly PMed me and said "Did you want to delete that Iceberg thread in the Convo? If so, hit 'modify topic' and then select the delete option." but I did not see a "delete option" when I did that. I promise to repost the thread with the original code, I still want to discuss it. I'll do it tomorrow.

Smoothly

13:18 / 23.11.05

Sorry, I meant the 'Delete Topic' option. I'll do it though.

Smoothly

13:21 / 23.11.05

Speaking of moderation requests. Have any other Convo, Policy or Gathering mods got an undoable job in their queue? I've got a blank under Action Type.

The Falcon

13:31 / 23.11.05

S'weird, I got your request with a blank (from matt, as it turned out) underneath, and it appeared after I agreed your moderation.

Should be done now?...yup.

Mist might want to know where his/her post went.

Smoothly

13:40 / 23.11.05

Ooh, I opened a new broswer window and it was gone. Weird.

Ho hum. Call off the dogs.

matthew.

13:40 / 23.11.05

I'll PM him, even though I'm not a mod. I'll PM him just cause it's my thread gone poof.

Nice one sailor.

AFAIK, users cannot delete topics - not even topics they have started. So, matt, your perplexity is understandable; there would have been no "edit topic" or "delete topic" button for you to click.

Oh. Ok.

Gosh, Weirdo’s right. Somehow I managed not to realise that.
So, thread delete requests in-thread, here or appended to a request to mod the opening post, I suppose.
Any idea why users don’t have the option to request a delete directly, Haus.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:53 / 23.11.05

Philosophically? Because editing topics has an effect on content other than the individual member, I think - so, deleting a whole thread doesn't just involve editing your own posts but also those of everybody else who has posted to the thread.

Smoothly

15:07 / 23.11.05

Mm. I think I kinda forget that members’ mod requests are a type of mod action, rather than merely a flag for others to act, if you see what I mean.

Spaniel

08:45 / 24.11.05

Is there any chance at all that we can amend this thread's abstract to include the words "no lists"? I appreciate that much of the content will then be at odds with the abstract, but if we are to raise the quality of posts to said thread something more needs to be done. I'm getting really fed up with having to argue with posters who are too lazy or too thick to actually write a post giving their reasons.

Alternatively I could start a replacement thread.

Mistoffelees

10:02 / 24.11.05

I will never understand why some people have such problems with these lists (and I have read their reasoning, I think it´s blown out of proportion).

If you don´t agree with posts that are just lists without explaining why the listed items are chosen, simply skip such posts. That´s what I do with posts that don´t agree with my taste.

And starting your own thread, where those lists are posts-non-grata is a good and constructive idea.

ONLY NICE THINGS

10:21 / 24.11.05

Short answer, Mist - because lists are the the equivalent of quoting Monty Python sketches - the effort to read them is disproportionate to the effort of writing them. As such, there is a feeling that they clutter up the place and give an impression of intellectual laziness that is likely to encourage bad practice elsewhere - to use the formulation above, to encourage people to be lazy or thick elsewhere on Barbelith.

Spaniel

10:57 / 24.11.05

Mist, it's about creating a culture where thought and engagement with the board is encouraged, and laziness isn't (and let's face it, list posts are lazy). In order to do so we have to start with the basics, such as frowning on posts that fly is the face of those goals, or encouraging idle posters to work a bit harder. Of course it all depends on what kind of board you want Barbelith to be, but if you feel anything like I do, then I think you'll agree that I'm not proposing anything too dramatic.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:35 / 24.11.05

Well, we've got a philosophical question here, then, about whether lists should be tolerated by default - personally, I'm inclined to say "no". Certainly in a no lists thread they should be moved for deletion. But should we have list threads in the Spectacle at all? They're not really a discussion but more something like an online game, akin to "What's your favourite colour?" or "what can you see out of the window?"...

Triplets

12:56 / 24.11.05

The Spectacle?

Spaniel

13:00 / 24.11.05

Of course another reason for posting lists is egotism. Look what I like, isn't it cool? Aren't I radical? etc...

Personally I'd be wary of deleting all list posts, but I am all for deleting lists when they show up in "no lists" threads. Hopefully those that post lists will start to see the error of their ways when list threads are paired down to their fundamental dullness, and all other content is removed.

Spaniel

13:03 / 24.11.05

The Spectacle?

Old skool 'lither talk for the Art, Books, Comics, Film, Games and Music forums. References Guy Debord's theories.

Mistoffelees

13:21 / 24.11.05

As I said, I understand your way of thinking, but it´s not something I mind.

Maybe we could solve this problem once and for all (yay for optimism!) by making it the rule, that there is one thread per forum for lists, and all other threads have to be list-free.

New posts with lists could then either be deleted or shoved into the list-thread.

Sax

13:27 / 24.11.05

I think there's possibly a room for list-threads at the end of the year, as there have been fairly successful threads of favourite books/movies/comics/links-to-boyfriends'-cocks in the past, albeit the better ones are supported with a little critical analysis as well. Maybe if we got Jimmy Carr to present them that would be better?

Mistoffelees

14:07 / 24.11.05

Good idea! Those end of the year lists fill up half the dec/jan Rolling Stone for example, so this would be a good way to meet the demand and get it out of the system.

Mourne Kransky

20:12 / 24.11.05

Absolutely nothing wrong with lists. As long as there is argument to explain the preferment of each listed item. Lists without argument should be instantly excised. And the poster spanked.

Spaniel

20:55 / 24.11.05

When I say "lists", I mean lists without the explanation.

22:00 / 27.11.05

Could someone do meta null a favor and move this to Temple, please?

All Acting Regiment

15:11 / 01.12.05

The Barbequotes thread still apparently contains quotes from "divers barbeloids". (Blah blah stupid joke about divers blah blah) Can we change it to diverse?

The Falcon

15:22 / 01.12.05

I'd rather it wasn't changed; 's just an archaic spelling. I like.

Put in a req. for seth's pics to be resized in Melt Banane thread, with proviso that if it works not, or not well, do not do.

Jack Fear

15:31 / 01.12.05

Y'know, I'm probably the only person who's bothered—but this thread's title makes my teeth itch.

The question is To what traditions are you heir?, goddammit.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:54 / 01.12.05

To which traditions, shurely?

I say leave it - avoiding prepositions at the ends of sentences is good style but has no impact on comprehensibility or searching.

Jack Fear

16:20 / 01.12.05

To which traditions, shurely?

What are you, some kind of pedant? Sheesh.

Loomis

20:06 / 01.12.05

Ending sentences with prepositions is becoming so common these days that sometimes it feels archaic to rephrase them in that form.

Then again, some writers just won't learn.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

17:11 / 03.12.05

Do we really need individual threads for each issue of Milligan's X-Men? Would anyone mind if I alter the title and summary of the latest thread for ongoing discussion? If we're doing one thread for each Grant Morrison title it seems only right to do it for the other series we cover too.

Spaniel

17:19 / 03.12.05

This Thread in Film needs an abstract.

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