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09:19 / 01.10.06

If one person's been sending abusive PMs to another and those PMs are linked to the matter being discussed in public, I think it's entirely reasonable if the recipient wants to bring that up that in public.

That said, I also think that if they're abusive enough to warrant a casual mention, then they probably need to be discussed in a more formal manner, otherwise there's an unsubtantiated claim left hanging there which isn't doing anybody any good.

Meanwhile, I notice that paranoidwriter still hasn't put the post into the moderation queue - unless he has and it's been vetoed by another moderator. Did you manage to fix your computer problems just in time to be an idiot in those latest two posts, pw, then magically break it again just as you went to edit the cause of all your woes?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:07 / 01.10.06

PW, you have been using the rules of etiquette to wipe your arse for quite some time now. You're being long-winded, unintelligible, and rude. You need to take a step back, calm down, come back with a clearer head.

People aren't attacking you because we're all teh meen. People are responding to you with confusion and anger because you're hard to understand and being very hostile.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:35 / 01.10.06

You have met me and I am suprised that you would label me an aggressive person.

Well, lula, I haven't. I've said that you are being aggressive. Different thing. Based on my experiences of you IRL, I'm as surprised as you are that I have had cause to ask you to be less aggressive, but nonetheless, it has regrettably been necessary to do so. At the risk of sounding like Parenoidwriter, it may be useful not to make judgements about people's intentions. And I _really_ don't think there's any need for me to try to undermine PW - he's doing a perfectly good job himself.

Back ontopic - yeah, Nina, I think PW has possibly managed to kill another Policy thread. I don't know if we should lock it and start a new one but there is a risk that this will just spread. Maybe start a spin-off thread to address PW's complaints and start moving offtopic posts to this one for deletion?

Randy - meh, really. The PM exchange starts with me trying to move the discussion out of this thread, and turns pretty rapidly into an attempt to get PW to confront just one instance of delusional behaviour. If you want his half of it, you can pretty much just read the responses to the "Racism" thread - they're about the same in length and relevance. Abusive? Possibly. Insulting? Certainly. Useful? Not particularly.

paranoidwriter waves hello

14:13 / 01.10.06

Some of you need to take a good hard look in a mirror. e.g. what words have you used to describe me and my posts lately?

Haus, print all those PM's if you like, rather than insinuating that I have been a troll; and remember who sent what first, eh? I believe you have been sending me VERY abusive PM's and I have kept ALL the correspondance between us. As a character once said: "Go ahead ... make my day."

14:26 / 01.10.06

I think I can see where this is going, and it is probably inevitable, so can I suggest that a new thread is started for the upcoming argument between Haus and pw? That way, hopefully, we can try to contain as much as possible in a single thread, and try to keep the rest of the policy functional.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:26 / 01.10.06

All right, children? Anyone want to read the adventures of Tannhauser in Paranoidwriter's head?

paranoidwriter waves hello

14:31 / 01.10.06

Hey everyone, didn't you know Haus was Telepathic?

Haus, if you like, put it all in this thread in Conversation, I've been waiting for a nice reply there for a while now.

Plus, then EVERYONE can gather round and watch, eh?

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:54 / 01.10.06

Well, Lurid, Paranoidwriter's bindweed effect on the Policy is a cause of significant concern for a number of moderators and concerned citizens, so possibly there's a case for a thread trying to address his behaviour and how to resolve it. This thread is in danger of rotting through, but we've got the problem that PW's demands for attention probably shouldn't be indulged with his own special thread - unless we think it's reached a point where he is negatively impacting Barbelith. He's certainly negatively impacting _my_ experience of Barbelith, and was in part responsible for Illmatic leaving the board - but everything that might be said to him in such a thread has already been said, without him appearing to have taken it on board, so unless we're moving the discussion on somehow, I'm not sure what would be achieved. I mean, ideally the situation would be resolved by PW getting off the ledge, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of will from others to try to talk him down, and I have already tried. So, new thread, possibly, but I'm not really sure what would be achieved by it when PW is, frankly, being so utterly barking - see previous post.

paranoidwriter waves hello

14:55 / 01.10.06

Heh.

I'm "barking" now am I?

Dear Dog, please make Haus and everyone else (for that matter) know thyself; and what happened to that 8xtrack I wanted, eh? Men-Ah.

14:57 / 01.10.06

Okay, to bring this back on topic, I've got a request:

Put your fucking post up for moderation, PW, or else shut the fuck up. You tiresome, stupid attention-seeker.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:02 / 01.10.06

Hey Randy:

shut the fuck up. You tiresome, stupid attention-seeker.

Nice mirror, eh?

15:12 / 01.10.06

Well, let's see. You come in here to bitch and whine about how I disagreed your attempted edit. You already know that I'm not going to vote on it again. You then throw a strop anyway, yet don't bother doing anything practical, seemingly more interested in shitting up yet another Policy thread because you love to cause a scene.

You're then given an alternate edit that you might want to try. You don't bother and instead carry on being a prick.

Your computer dies. You get it working again and, instead of getting on with that edit, whine some more.

And now you're back again. Fucking whining. You're a blot on the board. You are actively harming the place - causing decent members to put you on ignore or leave the place completely. If you gave half a shit about the things that you claim to - if that edit had mattered to you in the slightest, as you claim - then you would have done something about it by now instead of wasting your time - and everybody else's - by FUCKING MOANING.

If you give a shit about that post remaining unedited, bloody well get on with putting it up again for the remaining Policy moderators who don't consider you to be an utter cock to consider. Otherwise, piss off and find something else to complain about. I'm sure you won't find it too difficult.

15:16 / 01.10.06

Special no-prize for quoting me out of context too, knobber.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:22 / 01.10.06

knobber?

Look at your post which started this ball rolling in this thread.

You make me laugh, twat.

15:28 / 01.10.06

That's this post, for those who are now as utterly exhausted with trying to work out exactly what plane you're from as I am. And I'm looking, but I'm failing to see your point - not the only one, either, because throughout this entire charade every other person who's posted about it has also said that they've got no idea what the hell you're going on about.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:33 / 01.10.06

Well, PW has reproposed the moderation. It's better, but it still has that Modzeroish statement that he is deleting his own words and notifying the moderators that he is doing it. I don't think this is a good power fantasy to encourage.

Actually, reading that post again gives you a pretty good picture of where we were always going to end up, here.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:34 / 01.10.06

Here ya go, Randyo; I'll post the entire post in its entirety, just for you:

Randy: I'm flagging this up here. I've just disagreed paranoidwriter's attempt to delete an entire chunk of stupidity from one of his posts to the 'Racism?' thread. Part of the reason that thread remains visible, while locked, is so that it can be pointed to as an example of past behaviour should that become necessary. Allowing him to wipe evidence of that behaviour renders it useless.

More to the point, the majority of the remaining four or five pages' worth of posts within it spring directly from the one that was put forwards for editing, and I'm not about to agree an edit that makes that amount of posting nonsensical.

I'd imagine that the same edit will be put forwards again. When it is, I'll skip the action and let others make the decision. Wanted to make the reasons for my decision clear to everybody, before he does his usual.

Hmmm.... "Stupidity"? Wiping out evidence of past (erm, so is that "stupid") behaviour? Hmm....

By the way Randyo, are you a Christian?

Randy (earlier in this thread) Christ, but I'm sick of you constantly moaning, PW. Do you ever do anything but?

Hoisted. By. Your. Own. Petard. ("petard"; Wiki link)

Oh... Eh?.... Hang on, what's that ticking away in the corner?...

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:37 / 01.10.06

It's a clock, PW. A clock that tells us that it's time for you to calm down. Maybe go for a walk. Go and meet one of your Pokechums. Generally, stop frothing at the mouth, or we are going to have to start talking about removing you from Barbelith for the sake of your own parlous mental health.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:40 / 01.10.06

Pokechums

Careful, Haus. Or I might just Poke you, you prick.

15:41 / 01.10.06

Yes. That would be the post that nobody apart from yourself could see a problem with. Has that changed? Doesn't appear to have, does it? Will posting it up again in bold change that? Doubt it.

I'm just glad that we finally discovered how to communicate with you. It seems that the only posts you're capable of understanding ar those with lots of swearing in them, because I've finally managed to spur you on to editing the post that this was all about again. Good to know for future reference. I'm just sorry that your antics in this thread may well push the remaining Policy mods into agreeing to it in favour of limiting the damage that you would undoubtedly cause to the board should they disagree it a second time.

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:44 / 01.10.06

That's a threat of physical violence, PW. We don't like those on Barbelith. Once again, I suggest you calm down.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:45 / 01.10.06

I'll give you another hint, shall I?....

Talk to me with the basic respect every life-form should afford for another. You know, like your family and friends, or those who you suck up to, stick up for, and/ or fear. I have never attacked you Randyo, other than to reflect your behaviour, non?

And how can you know what everybody or nobody thinks? Are you Telepathic too?

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:47 / 01.10.06

That's a threat of physical violence, PW. We don't like those on Barbelith. Once again, I suggest you calm down.

Sorry. I though you were referring to the children's cartoon. The one that was mentioned in the Barbequotes thread in regards to me and my social activities.

Am I wrong about this reference, Haus?

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:51 / 01.10.06

Careful, Haus. Or I might just Poke you, you prick.

That's a threat of physical violence, near as I can tell. Hopefully, the realisation that you have reached the stage of balls-out lunacy that has you threatening other human beings might act as a short, sharp shock, and recommend to you the wisdom of going away and having a think about how you could have handled this situation better.

paranoidwriter waves hello

15:59 / 01.10.06

We're on the interweb. And I'm not God. How do I even find out where you live? I am not a hacker/cracker, etc. There are those out there who would do all kinds of fucked up shit to people hey don't like. I'm a mentalist, not a pugilist.

It's a clock, PW. A clock that tells us that it's time for you to calm down. Maybe go for a walk. Go and meet one of your Pokechums. Generally, stop frothing at the mouth, or we are going to have to start talking about removing you from Barbelith for the sake of your own parlous mental health.

And dare you going to post those PM's or not? So far, here and elsewhere, I believe you have tried to suggest that I am "aggressive", "violent", "trollish", "barking".... etc, etc, etc...

Seriously, what parallel universe are you from, traveller? What do you suggest: locking me up/out, electric shocks, drugs, or an apology for your blatant condescension and/or a nice Rum fuelled kiss and cuddle?

16:02 / 01.10.06

Given the posts since mine, I'm going to repeat the request that the argument between Haus and paranoidwriter be continued in another thread.

I'm not sure that anything can be achieved in the sense of being resolved to everyone's satisfaction, but since it seems exceedingly likely to me that the arguments will continue regardless, I think having a run-off thread will be helpful to the functioning of the forum. If other policy mods agree, maybe we can try to moderate a bit more strictly, and keep other threads in P&H working. How does that sound?

16:02 / 01.10.06

The issue of behaviour has already dealt with by, amongst others, Mordant in this very thread. Again, you prove yourself unable to understand anything that doesn't fit into your delusion. Either that, or unwilling to consider it.

paranoidwriter waves hello

16:04 / 01.10.06

Coolio.

We could use a thread in Conversation, if you like. But I'm not starting another one.

And Everyone, sorry for my part in this. I'm just bored of being nice to people who are rude.

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:09 / 01.10.06

What do you suggest: locking me up/out, electric shocks, drugs, or an apology for your blatant condescension and/or a nice Rum fuelled kiss and cuddle?

Ultimately, probably starting a thread on whether you need to be excluded from Barbelith for your own good, since you appear not to be able to interact with other human beings in a way that shows them any respect, or indeed to interpret what people are actually saying - as shown above where you inexplicably react to a claim that your friend is imaginary which nobody made. As shown by your refusal to listen to anyone who is trying to get you to put your cock back in and calm downm, and as shown by the PMs which I will happily reproduce as and when it can be done in a place that will not further rot this thread.

This does not seem to be good for your mental health, PW, nor do you appear to be getting anything much out of it except further fuel to a persecution complex which you feel entitles you to be rude, aggressive and threatening. Self-righteous nutbar is not a role we've been advertising much for on Barbelith lately.

So, Lurid - are you suggesting that we move straight to a banning thread, or are you looking for some kind of arbitration? If so, I suggest you not fall into PW's trap of trying to suggest that this is a clash between him and me. Many people have recently expressed their unhappiness with his behaviour. A sample:

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/140#post636243

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/140#post636251

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/140#post636288

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/140#post636331

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/140#post636349

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24716/from/175#post636429

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/24834/from/105#post637272

16:13 / 01.10.06

I have never attacked you Randyo, other than to reflect your beaviour, non?

Fuck you.

16:19 / 01.10.06

Thread started here. I think everyone would appreciate it if the arguments moved there now.

16:38 / 01.10.06

Back to business. I'm skipping PW's revised edit for the reasons I gave previously. It's disappointing that PW hasn't also seen fit to revise his comments in the Reason field, but I don't think requests should be denied just because they are requested rudely.

However, I don't think it should be agreed just because PW demands it either. If it's still in in the queue long enough to suggest that everyone is skipping it, I think that will be evidence that there is enough doubt to disagree it until a more compelling reason is given. I'm assuming the default position in cases like this is not to agree.

It might in fact be useful to ask Policy mods to declare their stance on the revised request here.

We know Randy and I are skipping, neither Haus nor Lurid seem to have voted either; I'm not sure how many other mods have seen it, or how long we leave it pendng in the queue.

ONLY NICE THINGS

16:47 / 01.10.06

I'm skipping. I would normally think about disagreeing it because I don't think that the delusion that moderators are there to rubber-stamp the whims of posters is one that should be encouraged - although this edit does leave the post and the responses to it broadly comprehensible, and then trying to have a conversation with the proposer about how to make the request in a way that will be more likely to be agreed, thus teaching them how to play on Barbelith.

In this, case, however, it's pretty clear that wouldn't work, and I've become embroiled in the consequences of that already. So, I'm recusing myself from consideration of that action. Of course, there may be Head Shop mods who do not read the Policy, or are not following this thread.

Tryphena Absent

17:09 / 01.10.06

I don't understand what the significant difference between the original and edited posts are. The child is still mentioned, it's the adult's back story that is edited so the claim that this is protection of a minor doesn't wash for me. This person's identity is also pretty obscure, only the racial history, which seems quite significant to the child's story is detailed. Paranoidwriter, why do you feel it needs to be edited in this particular way?

paranoidwriter waves hello

17:24 / 01.10.06

I'm not going to "tell" you; however, I WILL try to show you:

1) Where was my friend's childhood and where else has ze lived?

2) My friend is a real, flesh and blood person who does not like being made and example of. Therefore, I want to address my error.

3) Find hir, you find hir child. Get it?

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