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Frank Miller, Jim Lee: The Goddamn Batman

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Haus of Mystery

14:13 / 30.11.05

Ach, who cares about you lot? It's the civilised world we're talking about.

yawn - thing's buddy

14:28 / 30.11.05

Vuck you, salty.

glasgow's the placenta to your's and the state's comic-reading, squealing foetus.

innit.

hope yer well all the same.

yawn - thing's buddy

07:58 / 01.12.05

hey!

great comic!

both issues!

way I see it: year 1 was directed by cohn brothers in millers crossing mode, with All stars - or year 2 - directed by verhoeven in showgirls mode.

miller's writing's good. wassa problem?

alfred as royal marine or whatever makes sense too. loved the bare-chest rescue of VV.

and didn't struggle with panel breakdowns or stylings etc.

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the scenes in the car/plane - the first pairing of the dynamic duo - was brilliantly handled.

emotional? aye, man.

roll on three!

13:44 / 01.12.05

Okay, I can see how someone could be into this for the humour value - I know people IRL that are - but "emotional"? Really? This comic brings a little tear to your eye?

14:27 / 01.12.05

Weell. No, I think the bits in the jetmobile with Robin narrating are pretty chokesome in parts. I've still to actually shed a single tear - like a Mike Turner cover - at a comic book (as comics are for manly men; although I came close reading the bit in Swamp Thing where he gets taken away from Abbeeee the other day.) I like the juxtaposition of that with the ludicrous violence and stuff, too.

Did I mention this is the first time Robin's ever really worked for me? Except in the TV show when I was seven, obvs.

14:28 / 01.12.05

C'mon, Dunc, own up. It's not wrong to shed the occasional tear over grown men in pants and booties.

15:28 / 01.12.05

I honestly never have.

Oh fuck... I have. There was a wee strip in Match magazine about a manager (Billy something) trying to turn around a team of no-hopers, which I really liked, and which they got rid of by - and I am not making this up - having a goalpost break and hit him in the head, killing him, just as the team were turning the corner. iirc, as the team's winning goal went in.

I was only eight or nine, but I just couldn't believe the brutal, ironic pointlessness of it all. Cried for hours.

23:29 / 01.12.05

What about the Supergirl bit in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?

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yawn - thing's buddy

09:19 / 02.12.05

i cried during poison river.

really.

but:

the batman/dick grayson scens in the bat-jet car thingie rocked very hard.
espesh the bit when bats realises he is essentially torturing, abusing, a traumatised child.
its the first time i've thought: 'batty boy - you genuinely are a total fucking pyscho'.
see - i'm not that interested in batman.
maybe that's why i like miller.
also dug the mini panels. (did i say already?)

09:45 / 02.12.05

I cried when I read Strontium Dog.

So, er, is this book worth reading or what? I gave up after the first issue, but was the second any better?

13:10 / 02.12.05

I wasn't vastly impressed w/ #1 at all, as I've aleady said, but thought #2 was exponentially better. Eminently quotable, emotive, funny, violent. Bueno excellente.

19:06 / 02.12.05

Sad is not the only emotion. Sorrow is not the only form impact can take. This comic has had a definite thrill of righteous, goofy, child-brain that I'm totally digging. Bats handles things excellently when it involved fucking up a bunch of shmucks with guns, but talking to a tired and traumatised child? Of course he drops the ball. Batman isn't meant for prolonged exposure or communication, because the illusions can only be sustained for so long. Sad? I mean, it sucks what happens to certain folks and all, sure, but the dominate waves here are of excitement, humor, and an inability to communicate.
Look at Alfred. Could this Batman, this goddamn Batman, survive this long without the efficiency of Alfred, two-fisted warrior who buttles and poses?
This is the first time I've really - not understood, but - felt why Batman needs Robin and the whole support-staff thing.

22:39 / 02.12.05

You know, Duncan, because it's you, I'm actually going to give this book a go. You're one of the few fuckers whose opinion I trust around these parts.

23:21 / 02.12.05

yawn sez too. G'wan.

But when you're on the bandwagon, and you're all 'oh, I'm having such a great time on this bandwagon', I'd like you to remember who built the bandwagon. Or at least got it rolling.

23:24 / 02.12.05

I don't trust Yawn, he leaves too many spaces.

23:37 / 02.12.05

They're where the lies would go... if there were any.

23:39 / 02.12.05

I think they hide the rage.

God, I'm a fucking moderator of this forum. I'll stop now.

yawn - thing's buddy

07:58 / 05.12.05

boboss - you are right not to trust me.

you didn't trust Xorn either did you?

you are right not to trust me . . . .

yawn - thing's buddy

13:18 / 13.12.05

hey!

got the special of this as well.

ish number one - but in pencils - with miller's script at the back.

lee's pencils are utterly gorgeous IMO.

Miller's script is a hoot.

'right, Jim. I'm shameless. Gimme an ASS shot...!'

lee's interpration skills are revealed too. Miller's scripts are almost Wagnerian; simple bullet point clarity.

yeah - sgood.

The Natural Way

13:49 / 13.12.05

Actually, once you accept it's Bat's via Sin City - and I did pretty quick - ASBAR's pretty easy to swallow. I want to add my voice to the enjoyderance crew.

15:34 / 15.12.05

when is the 3rd issue out? next week or something like that...?

14:28 / 28.12.05

Jim Lee says he's working on a huge 2-page (maybe even 4-page, gatefold pull-out maybe?) spread of the Batcave for #4 with lots of fun Bats visual references/Easter Eggs. Sounds like it might be fun. (this info. from the new Wizard)

14:40 / 28.12.05

Hmmm, look forward to seeing that in december '06. Seriously though, any idea when ish 3 is out, or why the delay?

"oi, Miller, put the bloody cameras down and finish this bugger!"

15:01 / 28.12.05

I doubt the delay is Miller, the delay is probably either Lee or production/publishing problems. It takes much shorter for a writer to write something than for an artist to draw it, of course, and this has been bi-monthly anyway, I think. But I was noticing that this was supposed to have come out last week or thereabouts as well.

22:11 / 28.12.05

Unless of course you're Kevin Smith and you're writing a spidey book...

btw, with regards to Jim Lee, there's a short interview with him on the Batman begins DVD (with a lil snippet of some very nice pencil sketches of villains like Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy). made me laugh, cause since this DVD came out, there hasn't been an issue on the stands.

12:28 / 30.12.05

#3 is out.

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Kinda fun, although I feel 9 pages or however long it was of showing Black Canary beating male chauvinist pigs up was a bit excessive...(and the trademark Miller captions with the infinite repetitions of "Sweet cheeks" " Sweetheart" "Honey baby" "Gorgeous" "Sweet chunks" etc., a bit excessive as well)

I enjoyed Dick's narration about the transforming Batmobile (esp. "And now I guess it's a submarine"). I liked how Lee drew the Bat-sub.

And we're gonna get another Miller-written Supes/Bats confrontation.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

13:13 / 30.12.05

The art seemed to have improved by leaps and bounds in this issue, with the line weight returning to my favored Scott Williams Thinitude. So that was a plus. At the core, it's an interesting story, I like the way Batman's idealism is spreading throughout Gotham. But Sweet Jaysis, the fucking narration at the Canary was atrocious. Who has ever heard someone use "Chunks" as a term of endearment?

rabideyemovement

14:41 / 30.12.05

terrible, terrible, terrible. Lots of flash-- Zero substance! That was the last issue of this one I buy.

16:31 / 30.12.05

All I can say is "Thank God for All Star Superman!"

Spyder Todd 2008

20:19 / 30.12.05

terrible, terrible, terrible. Lots of flash-- Zero substance! That was the last issue of this one I buy.

rabideyemovement has pretty much hit it on the head for me. I was willing to give this book a chance, but after three issues... oy. Has anyone else noticed that in a 23 page comic book the two title characters appeared on a grand total of 4 pages? and on those four pages, 2 were splash pages and the other 2 were a double-spread?

And the last page!!!! God, the last page has to be the laziest page in comic book history EVER. EVER!!! If he was pulling open his shirt or something I could probably get over it, but it was just the S! Why?!? Not even the costume, with muscles on it or something. Just the freakin' "s".
So I quit. I tried to like this book. I really did. But we're three issues in, we still haven't left the damn batmobile ride home, I don't understand how a milk carton can have a picture of Dick on it 15 hours before he's "kidnapped", and 2/3s of the last issue is spent on an annoyingly blah Black Canary origin. So screw it.

20:39 / 30.12.05

They did something like that with the end of either #1 or #2 -- the last page was nothing but a huge close-up of the Robin "R". Stylistic thing or way to save time for Jim Lee?

yawn - thing's buddy

20:55 / 30.12.05

see daredevil and electra guestin very early on?

yeah - gotta agree - that was one lazy page at the end of the book, no mistake!

still - oi loiked very much . . . . that miller introduces the bats-supes tension early into their relationship.

need more.

03:26 / 31.12.05

Why does Miller want to shit on Batman? First the Dark Knight Strikes Again and now this. Oh, I'm going to cry softly into my pillow. Bruce Timm and Paul Dini should kick Miller in the ass so hard that he'll have toes for teeth.

And the art's a little blah. There's my two cents. Thank the Monitor for AllStar Supes.

09:17 / 31.12.05

Maybe Miller doesn't think he is shitting on Batman.

00:51 / 05.01.06

from chud.com:

Chud: You’ve been getting some nasty reviews about All Star Batman and Robin, and the response has been rough on internet message boards as well. Do you log onto the web and see what people are saying?

Miller: [mimes slitting his wrists] Across for the hospital, down for the morgue!

I can’t. I really can’t. If the internet had been around for Dark Knight [Returns], they would have been complaining as much as they are now, because the internet is there for people to complain. Batman says ‘Goddamn’ and they get the vapors. Screw ‘em.

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