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FinderWolf
14:03 / 04.05.05
from comics 2 film:

Director Matthew Vaughn was all over the place, promoting his film "Layer Cake," and while out there, was pelted with mutant-related questions. He told IGN's FilmForce that he expected Halle Berry to be back as Storm and talked about what kind of changes he plans to enact. "I think that conflict needs to be expanded on and I wanted the villains to be less, sort of, what's the word? At the moment I think there's a lot of mustache-twirling in the last films and I want to get rid of that and make the villains really scary and more realistic ... I hate CGI. That's why I'm trying to do everything in-camera. Listen, you have to use CGI but I want to do as much in-camera as possible. I'm a gamer, I like video games and I feel like, when you watch movies, half the time it's like watching an extended game... You just switch off [with bad CGI] ... They want us to come out next May and that's a problem. We've got a hell of a lot to get done in 12 months. That's the only difficulty I foresee. Making a film is making a movie, it doesn't matter what the budget is."

Meanwhile, IESB caught up with the recently-single Rebecca Romijn and hounded her with questions as well. "She was quick to say that she will miss Singer as the director and that she has now been given an August 1 start date. When asked about the script she mentioned that last she heard it was not done yet and that there has been plenty of changes from the first drafts. The early reports that the storyline would revolve around the Dark Phoenix may no longer be accurate. Part of the problem that Fox is having is that they currently don't know what character the third movie will focus and revolve around."
 
 
Aertho
14:13 / 04.05.05
Weird.
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:58 / 10.05.05
I do like that Vaughn is comparing X3 to Unforgiven. That could be potentially interesting, especially if you make parallels between Wolverine and William Munny (Eastwood). Also, even though the news of Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut scared me at first, the idea that prissy Prof. X has this big thuggish step brother is kinda cool. For some strange reason Patrick Stewart and Vinnie Jones as family brings a smile to my face… the only thing that bugs me is that the more I hear about this movie the farther it sounds from anything Phoenix related.
 
 
eddie thirteen
20:40 / 16.05.05
Looking pretty bleak to me. But then, things usually do. I don't know the first thing about the director, but the quote makes him sound like the Real Ultimate Power kid. At long last, an action film directed by a grown man who plays video games; surely, this is a first. Definitely some solid credentials there. Still, I'm looking forward to full-body morphs, eyebeams, objects propelled through the air by magnetism, and ten-inch lengths of sharpened steel popping out of someone's hands, all done without CGI. That should be neat.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:34 / 17.05.05
Well, I doubt it’s going to accomplish all those powers effects TOTALLY without CGI; it just sounds like Vaughn is saying movies are relying a little too much on CGI nowadays for his tastes. Christopher Nolan also feels this way and didn’t use much CGI at all on Batman Begins, if any.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:34 / 17.05.05
But Christoper Nolan also has the good fortune of not knowing Vinnie Jones and Jason "look at me mum, I'm acting" Statham. By which I mean the taste of a man who thinks they should be in, and indeed paid money to be in, films is slightly worrying.

In the same sense that I'd worry about the mental state of someone paying me money to build them a house. That being something which I am completely untrained in, have no experience in, and cannot do.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:31 / 17.05.05
>>>Christopher Nolan also feels this way and didn’t use much CGI at all on Batman Begins, if any.<<<

Sure he did. All them hundreds of bats swirling around Bale - CGI. The elevated train toppling over the broken rail - CGI.

It's probably not as effects-heavy as Spider-Man, but to try to do a superhero movie with no CGI would be next to impossible.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:34 / 17.05.05
Those are real bats, Cameron SCROOGE.
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:24 / 17.05.05
Yeah, but the Bale was CGI
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:38 / 17.05.05
I concur - his full name is Christian George Ignatius Bale.
 
 
eddie thirteen
01:04 / 18.05.05
"Making a film is making a movie."

Yes. Yes, it is. Hmmm.
 
 
eddie thirteen
01:33 / 18.05.05
And actually, I think CGI is overdone, too. As does, I suspect, Bryan Singer, because the X-Men movies seemed to reserve its use for effects that couldn't have been done (convincingly) any other way. The lack of Matrix-stylee bullet-time bullshit sold a lot of the action for me, particularly in the first movie -- not to completely dork out here, but the Brotherhood's first appearance (in the wintry north) and the train station scene work better for me than just about any other superhero film fight scenes, because they strike (to me) the perfect balance between the outlandishness of stuff like this and the naturalism of straight up old school filmmaking. I'm not trying to argue that Singer's made a pair of Dogme 95 films here or anything -- and indeed, the grounded quality I'm thinking of here may have had as much to do with budgetary constraints on the relatively modest first movie as it did with any conscious filmmaking choices on Singer's part -- but the way Vaughn's talking about improving upon the formula in the above quote gives me the distinct impression he's not all that familiar with what's gone before, and is generally talking out his ass. Talking about an abundance of moustache-twirling in a series where the primary villains are intended to be somewhat morally ambiguous is further baffling (I presume he's talking about Brian Cox in X2). Basically, this reads to me like Vaughn bragging about how he's going to do it "right" by doing exactly what the previous director has done, twice. Only without giving the faintest indication that he has the chops to actually do it, and along the way sounding like a fourteen-year-old.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:59 / 18.05.05
Innnteresting -- newsarama has a story that they just cast Kelsey Grammer as Hank McCoy/The Beast. So picture him with lots of blue furry makeup since they said that's the route they're going. The article doesn't say anything else.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:14 / 18.05.05
That has to be the best bit of casting ever.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:17 / 18.05.05
There's a difference between CG as effects work - stuff which would previous have been done optically, like mattes and so on - and CG in the creation of characters and monsters. The first (and some extensions like duplications for crowd scenes in lower budget pictures, as with the massive poltical rallies in Richard III - shot in a school gymnasium with about twenty extras) is pretty much inevitable, and shouldn't really be a problem. Although it can allow Matrix-like effects into movies which probably shouldn't have them, which is a drag, most of the time you won't notice.

The second hit the bigtime pretty much with T2: the creation of fully-rendered artefacts which can interact with live actors. Or not interact, as in the case of Sky Captain. The trouble with this stuff is that however good the physics engine is or however many polygons you use, ultimately - for the moment at least - the modelling isn't good enough - at usable levels of pricing - to generate something which is totally convincing. And even that's not a terrible disaster - movies haven't got to look totally convincing, they just have to look good enough that you go 'ooooooh' rather than 'yeah, whatever'. The real problem is that they all look wrong in the same way. That slightly-too-smooth finish, the perfect synchronisation of the footsteps of a marching army - even the statistically accurate out-of-synch footsteps of more recent efforts; these are all the things which trip our CG bullshit sensors, along with cues you almost couldn't identify, like eyelines, dust in the air, depth of field, blurring, angle of light... We're machines for spotting things like that as a consequence of our evolution.

All of which is a long way of saying that you probably could make a superhero movie without obnoxious CG, but you might end up with more obnoxious animatronics, or a vastly-reduced field of villains and life-or-death situations.
 
 
WrinklyBottom
01:53 / 19.05.05
Screw all this talk about CG. Kelsey Grammer IS Beast!

Here: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=9663
 
 
Aertho
02:31 / 19.05.05
No no no. CG is Beast. Duh.
 
 
Tamayyurt
10:57 / 19.05.05
Beast really doesn’t have to be all CGI like the crappy Hulk. They could handle the character like they handle Spiderman. Just look at Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes the ape costumes, especially the gorillas, looked brilliant. They could have Dr. Crane in one of them blue monkey suits for the all the close ups and character stuff… and have a fast moving CGI Beast leaping about for the action scenes.
 
 
Tamayyurt
11:25 / 19.05.05
From Superhero Hype:

We asked Avi whether Grammer will be wearing a suit like The Thing, played by Michael Chiklis, in Fantastic Four. "You will see Beast like you've never seen him before. It's going to be very true to the comic. Of course we're building a suit and hair, you name it.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:21 / 19.05.05
Also, they're in talks with Maggie Grace, the blonde from LOST, to play Kitty Pryde...I guess they'd make her hair brown if this happens.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
16:48 / 19.05.05
Basically, this reads to me like Vaughn bragging about how he's going to do it "right" by doing exactly what the previous director has done, twice. Only without giving the faintest indication that he has the chops to actually do it, and along the way sounding like a fourteen-year-old.

This is very very true.

Also, they're in talks with Maggie Grace, the blonde from LOST, to play Kitty Pryde...I guess they'd make her hair brown if this happens.

This doesn't make me happy. But given the intensity of my adolescent crush on Ms. Pryde over fifteen years ago, I'd not be satisfied with anything, I must admit.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:59 / 23.05.05
from comics2film: no more Maggie Grace being up for the role of Kitty....

>> At presstime, the Comic Reel received an email from a source who wished to remain anonymous, who wrote, "Maggie Grace was told her character would be killed off of 'Lost' if she took the 'X-Men' movie and now cannot be in it. They have already moved on to other actresses." The brutal Hollywood machine ...
 
 
gridley
15:34 / 23.05.05
That's good actually. Although I like Maggie on Lost, she's all wrong to be Kitty Pryde.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:50 / 01.06.05
I think someone needs to change the thread summary cause Matthew Vaughn has quite X3 weeks away from shooting... who will lead this team into failure? Nobody know's.

And so the Marvel Film Dynasty comes to a close. Let’s hope DC treats the second half of the decade well.
 
 
Hieronymus
03:36 / 01.06.05
Yeah. I'm curious to know what "personal decision" lead Vaughn to walk away. Marvel and FOX are out of their minds if they think they can get it all done by this time next year.

As loathe as I am to wish upon anything mentioned at Aint-It-Cool-News, it sure would be nice if Whedon were stepping in to save the day, Wonder Woman or no Wonder Woman.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:58 / 01.06.05
Whoa! This is big news! I wonder what led to him stepping down (or being let go)??
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:15 / 01.06.05
I don't think Avi Arad is going to tell us the whole story or, you know, the truth.
 
 
Aertho
13:50 / 01.06.05
I knew the Phoenix was unfilmable.
 
 
Warewullf
16:40 / 01.06.05
From Comics2Film:

Holy headmasters -- according to numerous sources, including Ain't It Cool News, director Matthew Vaughn has opted out of the third mutant-themed sequel for "personal reasons" involving not wanting to uproot his family. "This is not a case of creative differences," Marvel Studios' Avi Arad said. This is a personal decision by Matthew, and I can tell you that he is heartbroken. He loved this material, and he wanted to make this film." The studios hope to announce a new director and the actor playing Angel by the end of the week.
 
 
Warewullf
16:46 / 01.06.05
From All The Rage:

Sources close to the set state that the studio wants a big name for Gambit, and that the role of Angel will be played by a woman since they are basing that character on the version Grant Morrison created during his X-men run.

Hah! Cool! That'll be much better than the visually intersesting but pales-in-comparison-power-wise Warren Worthington III.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:09 / 01.06.05
Grant's Angel is a bit pointless without Beak or any of the other remedial students. Not to mention, I read somewhere that Avi Arad debunked that rumor.

yeah. here it is: "It won’t be a female Angel. I don't know where that came from"
 
 
FinderWolf
15:40 / 04.06.05
this from Yahoo news:

Despite its career-making potential, Vaughn had a very good reason for leaving X3: The London-based filmmaker didn't want to be away from supermodel wife Claudia Schiffer and their two small children--two-year-old Casper and six-month-old Clementine--to spend the better part of year shacked up with mutants.

"As the shooting evolved, he realized he would have to move to Los Angeles and Vancouver for at least a year," 20th Century Fox said in a statement. "Not wishing to uproot his family for an extended period, Vaughn opted to depart the production.

"We understand Matthew's reasons for leaving, as nothing is more important than family."
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So basically, blame Claudia Schiffer.
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
01:07 / 05.06.05
Eh. Maybe it's my cyncial nature and jaded heart, but I find the excuse of Vaughn not wanting to uproot his family to be extremely suspect. Vaughn's not a complete newbie to film making, he had to have realized that taking on the X-Men film would entail at least a 6-9 mth shoot away from the U.K. Pre-production, filming, post production work, re-shoots, edits, and media blitzes could easily eat up a year in the life. As for his family, his children aren't even school age - how badly would a move to the U.S. affect them? No much at all is my guess.

I'm thinking that creative differences emerged and/or that Fox felt that Vaughn wasn't up to the task. Once he was let go or that he quit, they decided to spin it out, trying to mitigate any potential bad press and blood.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:14 / 06.06.05
Brett Ratner, director of Rush Hour, is officially confirmed as the new director of X3.

Yikes.
 
 
Axolotl
14:51 / 06.06.05
That really doesn't sound good, though I will try and suspend judegement until more details are available.
 
  

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