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Jenny Everywhere Clearing House and Update Point

 
  

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Sax
11:46 / 14.10.03
'Twas taken as such, dear Chubbs.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:54 / 14.10.03
>> I once said something along the lines of if someone did a story where "Jenny" was tall, thin, blonde, buxom, caucasian, etc. it wouldn't necessarily be included on the Jenny site, but could still be called Jenny, and may in fact become the predominant Jenny.

Awww, why wouldn't you list it on the site? Esp. since 80% of the Jennys drawn in the stories thus far have looked not necessarily Asian and at least half have been "thin" (although like I said earlier, 'thin' can mean many different sub-sizes under that umbrella term). I guess you meant if this theoretical Jenny was ALL of the not-very-Jenny traits you listed in one?

The 'review' process that Persephone proposes sounds good - like you said, pretty much only to make sure that no one's submitting a hate/Nazi propaganda Jenny story or something completely inappropriate or horribly executed.

>> That's the way the concept works. Jenny is controllable by no one. We can talk about how much we dislike certain characteristics or stories, but there isn't a damn thing we can do about it other than try to present our own version as strongly as possible.

To me, this is the bottom line. And like Moriarity points out, there are pros and cons to this, but the die is cast and I trust the results will be far more wonderful than not.

>> On a side note, I have plans to draw a Jenny without some of her signifiers in particular stories, including her goggles, scarf, jacket, etc. Heretic!

In the story I'm illustrating for Imp she's not wearing the scarf (or a jacket, for that matter) cause it's summer. I mentioned this earlier and I'm surprised no one's called me a heretic by now

Also, in Imp's story there's a shot of multiple universe Jennys where I draw practically every previously existing Jenny (plus a few of my own creation) in the exact (to the best of my ability) style as drawn by previous Jenny artists. It's a homage -- sort of like that bit in that crappy DC series THE KINGDOM where they show Hypertime and it's like shards of glass showing a million different shots of DC characters. I realized I could do it with cut & paste collage, but 1) I wanted to not mess with the actual artists' illustrations and 2) it was a far greater challenge for me to draw in everyone's styles, like John Cassaday did with the recent BATMAN/PLANETARY special (or the old SUPERMAN: MAN OF STEEL issue drawn by Jon Bodganove with the multiple versions of Batman popping up all over the place). So be forewarned! But it's just one shot of tiny snippets and that's it.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:03 / 14.10.03
>> The reason I don't care to get an actual comic in actual comic shops is because I, personally, don't care to reach actual comic shop patrons. The Canadian Jenny zine was placed in practically every indy-friendly record, queer, feminist, magazine, video, head shop, anime, sex, etc. shop in Toronto and Ottawa. I pounded that pavement. For a fraction of the cost and effort, I tried to get the word out to the people who I was interested in getting involved, where they may not have thought of comics as a viable medium of expression, or had considered it but hadn't had that push yet, could find something fun to try their hand at. My agenda is obviously much different from others.

This is very cool, moriarity - nice work! And very happy to see you back and giving us your perspective on these hot topics -- hope all is well with school & everything and you're keeping your head above water!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:06 / 14.10.03
Can you draw, by the way?

To put it bluntly I'm utterly shit. I think I gave up after Cheryl Neale judged my friend Alison's lame picture of Belle from Beauty and the Beast better than mine. I was 8 and I've refused to draw outside of art class ever since.
 
 
moriarty
16:06 / 14.10.03
Hunter, yeah, I meant if there were a huge amount of Jenny signifiers missing. I think you can get away with missing a few if the rest are strong.

To elaborate on something I touched on before, I can understand why certain signifiers shift around more than others between stories. If you've spent your whole life drawing people in a certain way, unless you're talented or put a lot of effort into practising to break your habits, it's hard to shift gears immediately. I know that I've had to draw numerous sketches of Jenny to find a subtle style that I feel is accurate for her ethnicity without veering into carictature. This is something that can be difficult when dealing with comics, which are typically overblown. Likewise, her size may be something that an artist isn't used to, and will have to grow into. Not to pick on Lentil, but take a look at My Bloody Valentine again. Every character, with the exception of the alien, is the exact same size. When you're dealing with so many things at once (perspective, panel transitions, continuity, composition, spacing for the word balloons, etc.) sometimes you take a shortcut in other, potentially seen as less important, aspects.

I offer this in the way of a possible reason, not an excuse. Part of the reason that Jenny is designed this way is because it will allow those who wish to flex new muscles a chance to do so. Most of the people working on the project are new or fairly new to comics, and even drawing. It might take them a bit of time (and thoughtful criticism) to find a method they're comfortable with.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:59 / 14.10.03
OPB Sax: I also think Not Me Again has a similar story on the boil. We could do an "All-Death Issue".

No death in mine, Sax old boy - just unremitting bleakness, depression and darkness. Oooh, it's fun writing it....
 
 
grant
17:47 / 14.10.03
imp: Yeah, I did it. I thought I was falling behind some imaginary deadline, actually. All in MS Paint, monochrome, using images stolen off the net.

I'll email ya a copy.
 
 
sleazenation
08:05 / 15.10.03
No death in mine, Sax old boy - just unremitting bleakness, depression and darkness. Oooh, it's fun writing it.... hmmmm sounds like a jenny story I've written...

But yeah, It had been a while since we had a new jenny strip and despite having an incredibly bad day last thursday, friday's new jenny story did at least perk me up.

More. Jenny.
 
 
Saint Keggers
18:50 / 15.10.03
Here's the first page of one of the Jennys I'm working on.
 
 
sleazenation
19:03 / 15.10.03
looking good kegboy - keep up the work and you'll get the firrst full colour jenny strip out there...
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:33 / 15.10.03
That looks badass, Keg. What's the story about? When's the projected date of completion?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:12 / 16.10.03
Wow, Keg - nice nice nice!!! Jenny forms her own corporation(apparently a not-for-profit)?? Verrry interesting...

by the way, to post a page on a thread it's got to be online somewhere? Or can you just post it as a file? I know Imp had a great Jenny piece of art he tried to post and it didn't work cause it wasn't an image that was on the web somewhere...I'd love to post a sneak preview page of the Jenny story I'm drawing, but I don't have a way to put an image on the web. How can I best put a preview image on a thread here?
 
 
Sax
14:18 / 16.10.03
The image has to be online, and you can do a fair enough job at Village Photos which is a free hosting service.
 
 
Persephone
22:49 / 16.10.03
Site update: "Holiday Pandemonium" is live!
 
 
Hieronymus
22:57 / 16.10.03
So I'm thinking about doing a Jenny Everywhere story involving Hostess snack cakes, a gorilla with Napolean's brain, a toast flinging ninja shrew and Jenny as a truck driver dragged into the fray. Christ I've been digging through my old TMNT stash a bit too much.

I'm slightly invigorated by seeing Harvey Pekar's stick figure and word balloon way of scripting. It's taken the fear out of writing comic scripts for me.

Anybody interested in drawing this seat-of-my-pants narrative?
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:51 / 17.10.03
That looks badass, Keg. What's the story about? When's the projected date of completion?

Thanks!
Well the story involves a phone call, received by a woman, who is a grandmother and may or may not be queer, (complete coincidence I assure you all, made by a dangerous man with a mysterious reason for wanting jenny dead, a threat to the life of a very cute and innocent (puppy?) and one womans quest to find out just wtf is going on in her quiet sheltered little world.
As for projected date of completion...I got no friggin' clue. Im sketching a panel, scanning and colouring about one every two days. I have only a vague outline inmy head so it could be either very long or very short...or very boring either way.

Wow, Keg - nice nice nice!!! Jenny forms her own corporation(apparently a not-for-profit)?? Verrry interesting...

Thanks!
Yes Jenny forms her corp. Think of it as Luthorcorp or Wolfram and Hart, spread through many realities but run by Willy Wonka. (They also make JennyEveryWear )
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:36 / 17.10.03
Chaps. Reporting for duty. Uh, progress report: have had to rethink my layouts as I took a look at them with fresh eyes and realised they were clever-clever and made no sense. I know I have to get this one done though (apart from anything else, much as I love Sax I don't want him to keep me in a hessian sack nailed to the back of his door) so am setting myself a deadline for this one: end of November or hit me with spades. Sax - feel free to bombard me with PMs to keep me up to the mark and don't feel bad about it...
 
 
Sax
11:53 / 17.10.03
Howsabout a little taster to keep me going?

*rustles hessian sack*
 
 
FinderWolf
12:55 / 17.10.03
A Jenny comic parodying the Hostess comic ads of the 70s is a totally BRILLIANT idea!!
 
 
Persephone
14:02 / 17.10.03
Keg: You're doing a Jenny/Queer Granny crossover?! Awesome!

Have you guys seen the Jenny/mages crossover?

 
 
Persephone
14:03 / 17.10.03
That Jenny looks really Canadian to me, for some reason...
 
 
moriarty
14:44 / 17.10.03
It's the beer.

Kegboy, next time make it a stubbie.
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:23 / 18.10.03
I would have but everytime I take out a stubbie to draw it I say to myself 'Hey look! A stubbie!". Then Im left with an empty stubbie and I go questing for more and the whole cycle continues ad infinitum until I pass out. So I took and empty wine bottle and imagined it was a beer bottle and all was well.

This complete work of fiction has been brought to you by Kegboy. Kegboy all the fun of a keg and a boy...but strangely neither.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:51 / 18.10.03
I'm wondering if Lentil's around and willing (and able) to make a Jenny script come to life for me?
 
 
Sax
17:27 / 18.10.03
Oi, Lentil's my bitch, Anna. But I'm willing to share.
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:04 / 18.10.03
Actually, Sax, he's my bitch... but I'm almost done with him, Anna.
 
 
Sax
20:25 / 18.10.03
No, he's your ho, Imp. But I broke him.
 
 
sleazenation
22:26 / 19.10.03
Self-confessed 'amateur-expert' on comics law Todd VerBeek has written an interesting about Jenny Everywhere on his website Briefs on the Outside.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:40 / 23.10.03
>> re: FLCL

>> Very... strange - robots are climbing out of a growth on a boy's head while a girl at his school starts a series of fires - and the mayor of the town is having an affair. The vespa girl looks so much like jenny everywhere its untrue.

Funny that this was just mentioned in the Comics thread - and Cameron Stewart chimed in about FLCL -- when I was doing the layouts for my 8-page Jenny story (written by our very own prolific Jenny scribe Impulsivelad, who's got about 5 scripts being drawn by various artists at present), I had to do a scene with a ton of multiple universe Jennys. In a totally random way and not even looking for Jenny stuff, I came across a shot of the vespa girl from these stories and I said "That looks like Jenny - she's got the goggles AND the scarf! I'm totally putting a shot of this character as an alternate Jenny in this scene!"

And then a few weeks ago Impulsivelad and I were talking and he mentioned this character - his girlfriend had just bought an FLCL book and he was like "Hunter just put that in our Jenny story!!"

So I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice the resemblance. And she's in my story in only a piece of a small shot so we can't get sued.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:53 / 24.10.03
"leakage can occur between parallel universes" - Roger Ebert

 
 
FinderWolf
19:32 / 24.10.03
very nice, Imp - where did that Ebert quote come from?
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:51 / 24.10.03
From the Kill bill thred.
 
 
Rage
18:51 / 27.10.03
Kegs, that's freakin great.

I'm thinking about writing as Jenny Everywhere. Possibly getting her an LJ and fun.
 
 
Persephone
00:01 / 30.10.03
Now previewing...

 
 
Tamayyurt
03:29 / 30.10.03
Thanks P, I've given it its own thread over in the Comics section also.
 
  

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