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Foust is SO authentic
12:12 / 04.05.03
Oh my yes, the grenade pins. I remember the mettle jiggling - I thought Magneto was messing with their rifle slings, and that confused me. Then the pins came off...

I loved the Wolvie/Deathstryke fight. It's the only convincing Wolverine fight I've ever seen. Typically, Wolverine manages to, you know, miss whoever he's swinging at, usually to either artificially extend a fight or to save a primary character.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:39 / 04.05.03
What was Angel's 'civilian' name again?

Warren Worthington III
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
13:47 / 04.05.03
Ah yes, the granade pins. That caused a sudden wave of applause from the audience. Normally I'm not a fan of the whole superhero concept, but this - and you'll excuse my outburst - FUCKING ROCKED!

Magento's escape scene was fantastic, and a nice silent nod to Mr Lecter, especially with Bach's Goldberg Variations playing as the guard entered the cell. Superb.
 
 
straylight
15:34 / 04.05.03
Thanks, Cameron - I should at least have remembered who Jamie was, as I was reading Morrison's New X-Men in the bookstore before the movie.

Who is the little boy with the blue tongue? I found it a little weird that Wolverine carried him along when he went to see Stryker chained up, but I guess the repeat of the tongue was a nice touch.
 
 
Spaniel
16:20 / 04.05.03
I found it a little weird that Wolverine carried him along when he went to see Stryker chained up

As did I.
 
 
Hieronymus
19:12 / 04.05.03
Couple of cool fanboy Easter eggs for anyone who plans on making a second viewing of this:

When Mystique infiltrates Stryker's offices, the list of names on the first computer includes:

And on the second computer, files include:
  • Omega Red
    Project Wideawake
    Franklin Richards
    Muir Island
    Cerebro


    • Also, Ganesh, if you watch it again and see the scene where Wolverine is checking out where he was experimented on, you should see an x-ray on the upper right of a wing. It's very distinct at having feathers dangling from a long slender bone. Could Stryker have made Archangel instead of Apocalypse? Magneto does say he's the world's expert on manipulating adamantium.
    		 
     
    Our Lady of The Two Towers
    19:27 / 04.05.03
    That film was shit!!

    Oh all right, I just put that in to piss of Flux. I loved it, although the climactic scenes at the dam took a bit too long (I would have prefered the whole Xavier killing mutants/Magneto turning things round so Xavier kills humans instead and the X-Men stopping him to be done a bit quicker to be honest) and I thought Xavier said they had to get to Washington to stop Magneto? Then there is the question of how they got in the Oval Office undetected, is film-reality Nightcrawler strong enough to teleport everyone? They must have had some physical presence, once they've gone the president still has the files.

    Lovely, lovely Alan! Was Cyclops filming something else at the same time as X2 to explain his absense for most of the film? Even Storm, despite what people have said in this thread was better than the first one.

    The X-Men themselves are a vast improvement on the first film. While Logan's been away someone had obviously attacked them and given them all personalities, except for dull old Cyke. And thought had been given this time to how they use their powers offensively. In the first film it was just a Matrix rip-off with optional electricity extras, this time things like using the tornados to attack the planes, Bobby's ice powers, Nightcrawler teleporting through the White house at the beginning. It was an improvement though still not perfect.

    I didn't particularly like the whole Jean sacrificing herself to save them. It was too 'and this is where we set up X-Men 3!' and didn't make any sense. There was no reason given for why she had to go outside to free them, and to lift a bloody big jet in to the sky but not be able to lift herself above the water line even long enough for Nightcrawler to bamf her?

    But at least Mystique had some lines this time, and there were the fan pleasing things, it's true what Singer's been saying about being liberated from the need to tell back story means they can tell a story this time.

    I think it's one of the best PG films of the year. What? 12A? Not at my cinema, to judge by the number of small children who started bawling whenever anything scary happened. And I'm sure that Odeon cinemas wouldn't put getting bums on seats above following the accepted procedures for who is and isn't allowed into an auditorium...
    		 
     
    Our Lady of The Two Towers
    19:30 / 04.05.03
    That shot of the computer screen. I noticed it when I saw the film; Maximoff (2)? I should remember it but I don't. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
    		 
     
    Our Lady of The Two Towers
    19:31 / 04.05.03
    Actually, isn't that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch?
    		 
     
    CameronStewart
    20:10 / 04.05.03
    >>>There was no reason given for why she had to go outside to free them, and to lift a bloody big jet in to the sky but not be able to lift herself above the water line even long enough for Nightcrawler to bamf her?<<<

    Jean left the X-jet because she was the reason it couldn't take off - her burgeoning Phoenix powers were playing havoc with the jet's controls. Remember in the beginning, at the museum, when she has her little episode and all the monitors go haywire? Outside the jet, she's not lifting it, she's diverting the water. The jet is able to take off because she's not creating an electrical disturbance inside it.

    So there.
    		 
     
    klint
    20:40 / 04.05.03
    1. OK, so William Stryker is a combination of William Stryker from "God Loves, Man Kills" and Donald Pierce from the Reavers... did Pierce have anything to do with Weapon X in the comics? Or is there another combination happening?

    2. Anyone notice for sure if Magneto's cell was made by Stark Enterprises? I thought I caught the "enterprises" bit, but that was all.

    3. Was Mystique Nightcrawler's mother or sister in the comics? (I know she was Rogue's foster mother). And did they at some point have an incestuous relationship before they found out they were related (or is that a product of my sick imagination?).

    4. Does anyone else remember an issue of Wolverine where Mystique, disguised as a blonde bimbo, picks up Wolverine at a bar?

    5. Who are: Keniucho Harada, Garrison Kane, and Xi'an Coy Mahn?
    		 
     
    sleazenation
    21:15 / 04.05.03
    kane is the current weapon x and xain is karma not sure who the japaneese mutant is though
    		 
     
    sleazenation
    21:35 / 04.05.03
    oh and on the diverting water front, wouldn't it have ben easier and safer for bobby to turn the reservoir to ice, thus saving jean from neading to sacrifice herself (yeah, she was interfereing with the plane's control systems but that would have passed as it did in the museum)

    I realise that there needed to be a big catastrophe that jean needed to seem like she was sacrificing herself to avoid but it did come across as a bit contrived.

    also other niggling questions...

    why weren't bobby, rogue andf pyro freaked when the saw logan shreading his way through the soldiers?

    how was mastermind's power supposed to work? thought projections (implied by magneto taping his helmet) or through secretions of some kind (implied by the mind control drug)

    did the xmen just leave matermind in striker's facility?

    why didn't magneto kill striker (was he really just assuming he'd die along with the rest of humanity in a few moments?)

    wasn't it a bit dodgy that charles got kitty to do a bit of espionage for him getting those files?

    does charles really think that entering the white house in a display of power is really the best way to build bridges between humans and mutants?

    answers and speculation please
    		 
     
    Tryphena Absent
    22:10 / 04.05.03
    does charles really think that entering the white house in a display of power is really the best way to build bridges between humans and mutants?

    This was actually the one moment that I reacted negatively to. An intimidating show of force (even passive force) is hardly the way to approach the one person with the ability to wash things over. There was something glorious about it... but that could have been Anna Paquin in a skin tight suit. The scene seemed unnecessary to the film because that glam superhero thing didn't need to be hammered home anymore. It didn't portray the individual characters particularly well and was clearly attempting to show the X men (god how chauvinistic is that!) as a team and hype them up a bit. My question- would Nightcrawler really be so impolite as to sit above everyone else? I don't think so.

    By the way I loved every second of the film.
    		 
     
    CameronStewart
    22:43 / 04.05.03
    >>>oh and on the diverting water front, wouldn't it have ben easier and safer for bobby to turn the reservoir to ice, thus saving jean from neading to sacrifice herself<<<

    Freezing an ENTIRE LAKE would probably be a bit beyond young Bobby's power level. I think seeing him turn that massive wave to ice would have seemed more preposterous than you think.

    >>>(yeah, she was interfereing with the plane's control systems but that would have passed as it did in the museum)<<<

    Yeah, but her powers are INCREASING. It may not pass as quickly as it did in the museum, and JEan didn't have time to find out because they were seconds away from being hit by a tidal wave.

    I can't believe people are going to pick apart that ending. It's DRAMA, you know?
    		 
     
    Regrettable Juvenilia
    23:09 / 04.05.03
    I think this is the greatest action/adventure/sci-fi movie I have ever seen in my entire life. Honestly, when we cut back to the lake and Jean's voice comes in, I got actual goosebumps.

    SO much I need to talk about, but it'll have to come in bits and pieces. I will need to see this film at least twice more at the cinema. For real.

    For now, I just want to say what I liked best about the film: the extremely grey moral ambiguity, and the character interaction. And the best example of this is my favourite character in the film...

    ...fuckin' PYRO!

    Pyro is great because he's strangely reminiscent of Connor from Angel. See, I don't think he is a 'Judas' - I think the morality has become far too tricky at that point. Remember, John doesn't know that Magneto just reset Stryker's Cerebro/Jason/Charles interface to kill all humans. He just knows that Magneto saved the lives of him and his friends/teachers (whose own ideology of cooperation with humans seems to be going less than well), and that he's shown an active interest in him ("You are a god among insects", etc). Oh, and everyone else seems pissed-off at him rather than showing gratitude for trashing those cop cars, which in his mind is surely no different from what Storm or Logan would do...

    "What's your real name, John?"
    		 
     
    Seth
    00:29 / 05.05.03
    I seem to remember an old Marvel Universe explanation of why TKs are rarely able to levitate themselves, and it has to do with the manner in which they visualise their powers. The theory is that most of them conceptualise their abilities as psionic limbs extending from their own body, the implication being that it's just as hard for them to lift themselves off the ground as a non-TK (imagine trying taking hold of yourself by the lapels and trying to lift yourself and you'll get the idea). It's another explanation for why Jean had to leave the Blackbird, as is the idea that she may have been compelled to sacrifice herself in order to be reborn as Phoenix. And remember, Xavier, Cyclops and Wolverine also wondered why she had to leave the jet: the film acknowledges it as a mystery.
    		 
     
    Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
    00:32 / 05.05.03
    yes, wolverine giving him a glare because he blew up the cops seemed strange to me since wolverine single haded killed like 50 american soldiers less than 24 hours prior, especially since wolvie had just been shot in the face, thats the kind of thing i would think would piss him off, lots.

    i think after nightcrawler bamfed prof x out of cerebro 2 a big rock fell on mastermind, i could be wrong though...

    charles getting kitty to steal the files falls into the prof x morality as much as wolverine killing all the troops. Peacefull coexistense with humanity even if we need to break normal human laws to get there.

    masterminds power worked both ways, he could use his mind to create the visions, but the secretions from his brain could be used to control mutants directly if taken from his brain...

    i was bothered by a house full of 20+ super powered hormonal teenagers not kicking the shit out of the guys who just broke in. I mean, when i was 13 if i could turn to metal, throw fire/ice shoot lasers out of my eyes etc and someone broke into my house, they would get fucked up.

    Oh, and cyclops vision being a pulverizing force rather than a heat laser kicked ass
    		 
     
    Matthew Fluxington
    00:56 / 05.05.03
    I will try to answer as many geeky questions as possible.

    The names on that computer screen, and who they are:

    Harada, Kenuichio : Silver Samurai
    Kane, Garrison : a Liefeld-era product of the Weapon X program
    LeBeau, Remy : Gambit
    Lensherr, Eric M : Magneto. The M is for Magnus.
    Maddicks, Artie : no special name, just a kid from 80s-era X-Factor.
    Madrox, Jamie : The Multiple Man
    Mahn, Xi'An Coy : Karma (from the New Mutants)
    Maximoff (2) : Wanda and Pietro Maximoff aka Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver (Magneto's children)
    McTaggert, Kevin : Moira McTaggert's son, Proteus (a perfect candidate for lead villain of X4, by the way...)
    Moonstar, Danielle : Mirage (from the New Mutants)
    Munroe, Ororo : Storm
    Guthrie, Paige : Husk
    Guthrie, Samuel : Cannonball

    1. OK, so William Stryker is a combination of William Stryker from "God Loves, Man Kills" and Donald Pierce from the Reavers... did Pierce have anything to do with Weapon X in the comics? Or is there another combination happening?

    I cannot see how William Stryker in X2 has ANYTHING to do with Donald Pierce. I really don't think having a connection to Lady Deathstrike is enough, honestly. Pierce starts out as the human/cyborg member of the original Hellfire Club, and then later on leads the cyborg group of villains The Reavers (which counted Lady Deathstrike as a member.) He has nothing to do with the Weapon X program to my knowledge. I can't be toooooooo certain, as I never really read much of Wolverine's solo comic.

    3. Was Mystique Nightcrawler's mother or sister in the comics? (I know she was Rogue's foster mother). And did they at some point have an incestuous relationship before they found out they were related (or is that a product of my sick imagination?).

    In the comics, it is implicated that Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. And yeah, you're just imagining things re: incestuous relationships. The film version of the X-Men is wise to omit Mystique and Nightcrawler's relationship, mostly because it is a profoundly stupid 90's era idea and only serves to make the story needlessly complicated.


    why weren't bobby, rogue andf pyro freaked when the saw logan shreading his way through the soldiers?

    a) I think they saw it coming, b) Iceman seemed really fucking freaked out by it when it started, c) they were in a state of panic and probably just very thankful that he was around to save their lives.

    how was mastermind's power supposed to work? thought projections (implied by magneto taping his helmet) or through secretions of some kind (implied by the mind control drug)

    This is all pseudoscience here, but the secretions that Stryker was using was extracted from his brain and probably modified to suit Stryker's needs. Mastermind doesn't need to secrete anything, though - he can control the minds of anyone around him with his illusion skills. It's a form of telepathy, and Magneto's helmet somehow protects him from that in conjuction with Magneto's magnetic powers. Not just anyone can have a helmet like that.

    did the xmen just leave mastermind in striker's facility?

    Yes.

    why didn't magneto kill stryker (was he really just assuming he'd die along with the rest of humanity in a few moments?)

    Yes. And he did die. So he was right in either case.

    wasn't it a bit dodgy that charles got kitty to do a bit of espionage for him getting those files?

    Kinda. She's only 13 or so in the movie, and it is very questionable that he has someone so young doing things like that, particularly when Nightcrawler could have done something very similar.

    i was bothered by a house full of 20+ super powered hormonal teenagers not kicking the shit out of the guys who just broke in. I mean, when i was 13 if i could turn to metal, throw fire/ice shoot lasers out of my eyes etc and someone broke into my house, they would get fucked up.

    Most of those children were very, very young. They don't know what they are doing, and probably would not be successful in battle. They are just little kids! Christ. And yeah, Colossus could have taken on a lot of them, but he was taking care of the children who couldn't protect themselves as well. It's called heroism, logic, and selflessness, man. It was very well in the character of Colossus to fill that role in the film, and it was logical for him to be an older student - in the comics, he was always one of they youngest X-Men, and only a few years older than Kitty.

    Oh, and cyclops vision being a pulverizing force rather than a heat laser kicked ass

    Well, that's just called "sticking with the concept." Ever since his introduction in the 60s, Scott's beams were force, not energy or lasers. Any errors in depiction over the years can be chalked up to bad research and/or laziness.
    		 
     
    straylight
    01:07 / 05.05.03
    Flux, I don't suppose you want to answer my Phoenix question from a page or two back?

    And Flyboy: Pyro even looked like Connor. But I like Pyro better.

    And I need to see this at least twice more too.
    		 
     
    Sebastian
    01:33 / 05.05.03
    Uhmm, well, saw it. Too long. Too damned long. Couldn't stop yawning since the x jet landed at Stryker's base. Whatever happened after Mystique majestically infiltrated Stryker's command room was a disjointed concoction of clichés perfectly forgettable to my mind.

    Best: Cummings, of course, who redeems the whole point of making this type of movies. (The opening sequence is by far the best thing indeed, but terribly flawed when he delays stabbing the president after such an immaculate display of immediate threat, sorry, but it brought me back to idiotic-comic-book-film-reality).

    And why do they have to save the whole fucking humanity?? The plot is forcibly taking this to show how great and good they are, and how dumb is Prof. Charles, of course, but, why can't they just save, say Bambi's mother, and still appear as heroes??
    		 
     
    Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
    01:54 / 05.05.03
    Hm...it was my understanding that the jet was damaged during all the other action sequences, and it couldn't get the engine started until Jean went outside to start the engines. But I like the idea that her powers were keeping it from starting.
    		 
     
    Tamayyurt
    03:28 / 05.05.03
    Seen this again and I have to agree with Fly. It's an amazing action/sci-fi/comic movie, possibly the best.

    The way I answer the Jean question: I think she was in a "zone". At first she was in an emotional one, where she wasn't thinking clearly and she just had to save all these people she cared about. Then I think she went into THE ZONE, where she accessed the phoenix force and everything became clear. She didn't sacrifice herself. She didn't have to levitate in order to get bamfed safely away. The wasn't going to die and she knew it.
    		 
     
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    04:23 / 05.05.03
    Are there any other reasons for the T.H. White's Once and Future King references besides the Nazi parallels and Magneto seeing himself as the king returned after he gets out of the cell? Or maybe Merlin, stuck in a tumulus? Maybe that last bit is a stretch, anyway. And what's up with Charlie bringing it up later in class? He's conscious of the Nazi parallels, but he doesn't see it the same way Magneto does, obviously.
    Or am I the only one who's obsessing over this tiny detail?

    The homosexuality allegory for being a mutant was great; I got a kick out of it. Alan Cumming was a great casting move which almost makes up for Halle Berry. This was a really intelligent and well-done movie, and I like it much better than the first. Here's hoping things continue to improve for X3.
    		 
     
    Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
    05:40 / 05.05.03
    yeah, the Once and Future King thing was interesting to me as well

    Also, the dark skinned girl in the class room had the large hoop earrings that i would assume makes her Jubilation Lee, one of the most annoying additions to the xmen mythos in my opinion, what ever happened to her anyway?
    		 
     
    YNH
    06:51 / 05.05.03
    Theank-you, Flux. [i]Artie!?[/i] The can't possibly afford him.

    With three of the original New Mutants namedropped, I think I might be disappointed if at least one of them didn't show up.

    Singer told scifi.com, when asked about [i]The Once and Futre King[/i]:
    [b]There's a number of reasons. One, I definitely think that's a story of evolution. The Once and Future King is someone who goes through their young life believing they are one kind of person, and then is forced to discover that maturity comes with a price of evolution and destiny. ... And they factor into a lot of our characters. Yes, Magneto believing that he is the once and future king. Or perhaps the evolution of Jean Grey, someone who's discovering that their future may be very different from their present. And also, I look for ways to bind Xavier and Magneto. The fact that there are chess sets, you'll notice, in both studies. And betrayal and love of these two men, who must have at one time had a strong relationship. They read the same books. They believed in the same things. But one went astray, and the other is desperately trying to hold the course and inspire faith in his team.[/b]

    Gets to be meaningful and a simple device.

    And this may be bad news for Flux; Cumming says:

    [b]Yeah, I've read some comics. Listened to people. But it's kind of hard, because halfway through the film I realized that Mystique is my mother, [i]which I wasn't supposed to tell you.[/i] ... It's an ongoing learning curve.[/b] itallics added

    Kitty, in the comics, was on missions with the X-Men almost immediately. Didn't she have to defeat the Brood on Christmas or something?
    		 
     
    The Strobe
    07:28 / 05.05.03
    Anna Paquin in a skin tight suit.

    I wholeheartedly agree, Anna. That was indeed a glorious piece of cinema.

    Anyhew.

    I think the "let's just say I know a little girl who can walk through walls" thing is not as literal as you think; it might not be Kitty who got the files for him. Xavier's just trying to make a point; asking "how did you get hold of these" to a bunch of mutants is stupid, given they could have teleported in, or walked through the walls, or disguised themselves; there are far more possibilities open to them. Xavier's remark works both literally and non-literally, but I think he's just saying "there are lots of methods you have no idea about". And the President knows this already, really, having witnessed the attack on Nightcrawler.

    Nightcrawler sitting above the others? Not quite. He hates standing, from the looks of things, and hates conventional chairs - see him in the X-Jet. He seems most comfortable squatting on his haunches, and he wants to be visible. Hence why he sits on the mantlepiece. Besides, it makes him cuter.
    		 
     
    bio k9
    07:37 / 05.05.03
    What exactly does Xavier do to "stop time" in the museum food court and again in the Oval Office? I'm guessing that Charlie just used his mighty mind powers to hold everyone in place.

    The first time he does it (in the food court) you can hear someone on the other end of a cell phone conversation wondering why the other person has stopped talking "hello? hello?" (or some such) and when the X-Men leave everyone there starts up again.

    In the Oval Office when everyone freezes, the lights go out and the X-Men appear in the blink of an eye. If Charles is again just holding everyone in the office in place, wouldn't the tv broadcast still be going on? And how do they all instantly disappear again?

    I think that Storm switched off the electric and Prof switched off their minds until they were out of the room. The red light on the camera was off when they were in there.


    I don't think Kitty stole those papers, I think Nightcrawler did. Did you see the way he laughed when the Professor said he knew a girl that could walk through walls? And remember in the first movie when the Senator is talking about a girl that could walk into a bank and take all the money or walk into your home... I like to think that Charlie was referencing that.
    		 
     
    bio k9
    07:39 / 05.05.03
    Damn you paleface! Beat me to it...
    		 
     
    penitentvandal
    09:11 / 05.05.03
    Yeah, the 'little girl who can walk through walls' is pretty much a direct quote from Sen Kelly's speech in X1, as well as a nice little nod of the head to the Kitty Pryde Obsessives. I actually like the idea of Prof X intimidating the Prez and getting 13-yr-olds to do his dirty work, though, because it makes him much more morally ambiguous.

    Which was one of the things I liked about this film compared to the first one: Logan is a murderer, Magneto seems less of an out-and-out villain, and the Prof seems to have some odd ideas about what the right thing to do is. The next film, with the Phoenix in, will hopefully explore these moral contradictions further.

    While still having kick-ass fight scenes and Anna Paquin in the latex, obviously.
    		 
     
    Spaniel
    09:58 / 05.05.03
    Elijah, Jubilee was present at the end of the film. The little oriental girl rescued from the cell. Storm refers to her by name.
    		 
     
    Ganesh
    10:29 / 05.05.03
    I re-e-eally want to see it again - and, as luck would have it, I'm gonna get the chance to borrow a DVD version in the next week or so. I'm hugely looking forward to checking out these various Easter eggs...
    		 
     
    Matthew Fluxington
    12:32 / 05.05.03
    Question, though, for those more versed in the lore than I: what was the story behind the original manifestation of the Phoenix? I've read the famous storyline where Phoenix comes back, she/Jean rages through space, eats a planet, the battle on the dark side of the moon, etc, but I was never clear on what happened the first time. (Maybe this is a question for the comics thread, and if so, my apologies.)


    It was just a powerful cosmic force of destruction and rebirth. It was always just a cosmic force of nature in the Claremont comics, and it used Jean and her daughter from an alternate future Rachel as a human host. The Phoenix has always been a very ambiguous thing up until Grant Morrison's run, though Grant hasn't given any absolute answers about it.
    		 
     
    lord nuneaton savage
    12:35 / 05.05.03
    Saw it on Saturday, most enjoyable even for a non-x-men-fan like myself. Only one problem though, did anyone else think that it had been really poorly edited? I've only seen it once and would need to see it again before I can flesh this argument out but just little instances of continuity did'nt really seem to work. It was obvious I think that a lot of stuff had been removed (probably to give us extras for the DVD or whatever) 'cos there were quite a few things glossed over (the truth serum, what happened to all the kids in the caves etc), but I was also aware that some stuff in it seemed a bit wrong, simple stuff like people having objects in their hands one minute and nothing there the next. I know Nightcrawler's assault on the whitehouse was meant to be a bit confusing, but the editing really did'nt help 'cos the scene just did'nt seem to flow very well. Some one told me that filming only stopped a few weeks ago, so could it just have been edited in a rush, or am I just seeing things?
    (I'm not a film student, by the way, so my terminology is a bit flawed I'm sure.)
    		 
     
    Ganesh
    12:44 / 05.05.03
    Incidentally, there's an interview with Alan Cumming in June's 'Arena' magazine wherein he says

    "The one thing I did find out from chatting to Rebecca is that Mystique is, according to the comic books, my mother and Anna Paquin's character is my sister. Talk about the Mid-West being inbred, those mutants seem to go at it too."

    which suggests his previous statement about the Nightcrawler/Mystique relationship is second-hand info derived from the comics mythos rather than Singer's vision for the celluloid version.

    Re: Magneto being less of an out-and-out villain, I thought he came across as more of a psychopath in this film. In the first one, when he was strapping Rogue into the machine on Liberty Island, he seemed genuinely regretful about his 'unfortunate but necessary' course of action. When he encountered her again in 'X2' (and made the oooh-get-her Hair Mocking comment) there was no evidence of any regret, guilt or whatever.
    		 
      

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