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Mafia2: The Game Thread

 
  

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8===>Q: alyn
20:36 / 13.03.03
We don't know that iszabelle is innocent.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:42 / 13.03.03
Uh, Orr, why have you adopted the name of a fictional criminal mastermind?
 
 
lolita nation
22:00 / 13.03.03
I certainly wasn't suggesting that only And/Orr could possibly have known the story of Romeo and Juliet. Somehow I don't think that would go over very well. And besides it would somewhat weaken my case that I picked up on it, right? I just meant the... big sensory grossness of it and the staying-in-character bit. As he pointed out awhile ago, he's been proud to stick to the barman persona the whole way through, which stuck out to me, because I forgot what "Granton" was like 3 weeks ago. Maybe it doesn't add up. I recognize that. But I seized on the PM because it's the only concrete thing we have.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:50 / 13.03.03
Jeesus. now I'm confused. Was *so* sure about Bitchlaces. And had my reasons for those suspicions. Turns out he was just a feisty villager. Urg.

Suspect me if you like, Q, as right now pretty much everybody looks suspicious, including me, and yourself, but you might want to put up slightly stronger evidence, as what you've interpreted as this

Yeuch. Well *that* wasn't called for. And is the R&J ref meant to help us out here?

thanks Orr. I think


was actually in character, posted in response to this, posted by Orr, *before* we lynched BC.

"Ms. Platforms, here, take the bottle. No, no payment needed. Honestly, it'd be a pleasure."

thus, in reality is this

thanks Orr. I think

*takes Colonel Kwikimart's Finest Kentucky Bourbon, slugs, looks nervously over shoulder*


A little intepretation is a dangerous thing...
 
 
Rev. Orr
11:47 / 14.03.03
Uh, Orr, why have you adopted the name of a fictional criminal mastermind?

Is anyone going to believe that I've always felt that...(random treatise on the unrelieble witness and the radical individual trimmed for reasons of tedium). Sorry, it's a reaction to something Whisky called me in a recent pm and there wasn't a suitable 'Orr' vowel in 'Holmes', 'Pinky' or 'the Brain'.
 
 
grant
13:02 / 14.03.03
"Sh-Orr-lock," perhaps?

Nonetheless, Grantonians, think of making some accusations.



Now get to work!
 
 
gravitybitch
14:08 / 14.03.03
...there wasn't a suitable 'Orr' vowel in 'Holmes', 'Pinky' or 'the Brain'...

And if you'd left it as ProfessOrr, those of us in the US would likely be replying, "Gilligan!!"

(or wanting to be Ginger.... although I'm more of a Maryann myself)
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
17:40 / 14.03.03
Okay, the batcomputer suggests that Stoat, iszabelle and I should not vote until after Whiskey, lolita & BiP have -- Orr, too, though that has more to do with the tension of his allegations than with trends in the voting stats -- and that Stoat shouldn't vote with iszabelle if he can help it, though obviously that'll depend on how things go. It's a bit complicated to explain, but if you could see the batcomputer's results right now it'd be very clear. Unfortunately, I can't post them because the batcomputer outputs to a long punched ribbon. However, I'll explain if you don't want to take my word for it.

BiP, sorry I misread that post. I was skimming, so it's not surprising that I may've missed RP context or running jokes.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
17:41 / 14.03.03
Whoops, this is unclear:

not vote until after Whiskey, lolita & BiP have -- Orr, too,

Orr is among the people we should wait for.
 
 
lolita nation
19:13 / 14.03.03
Who's "we"? Sheesh.
 
 
Rev. Orr
19:15 / 14.03.03
Orr is among the people we should wait for.

Because that worked so well last time. Why me? Everyone knows ad nauseam who I think the guilty three are. The first one to get a nomination and I'm there. People took my eagerness the last time the wrong way so I'm just hanging around faffing with my user name and watching the wheels go by.

and that Stoat shouldn't vote with iszabelle if he can help it

Wait just a mo, here, Q.
1) The Stoatmeister is the one person we know to be innocent.
2) If the four innocents vote together, the mafia cannot change the target.
3) The mafia, surely, must vote together. It would be bloody sneaky for them not to, but I suspect a little too risky.
4) The only reason for Stoat vote in opposition to Iszabelle come what may would be if ze were guarranteed guilty. Ain't the case, ain't a good idea.

Sorry, but the only voting model for this round is 4:3. Unity or death. That's why I'm not forcing the issue and holding off from voting. I just don't know how the chairman and the widow are going to jump and so the ball's in their court...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:17 / 14.03.03
"We" is not you, lolita. Wittingly or not, your votes have been instrumental in two bad lynchings. Again, you need to build a chart showing sequence and target to see this. Go ahead, it only takes about 20 minutes. Don't forget to include Enamon & Todd in the sequence.

Orr:
You have to go before iszabelle and Stoat because I'm hedging against you and Whiskey both being mafia. From a certain perspective, your relentless certainty and perfect record look guilty. How else could you know? This way, if you are mafia, you'll vote, presumably, for Whiskey. She'll vote for whoever -- you or me, probably. The voting trend has been controlled by WP, lolita & BiP's votes, though of course there isn't enough data to be certain how much of it is intentional. One of them might be innocent (I'm betting lolita, if anyone). But they must decide whether they want to appear to agree with you or Whiskey.

If they both disagree with you, you can see how it'll look. If they both agree with you, which isn't likely considering their voting trends and argumentation, it'll look pretty strange indeed.

If there is a tie, which is the most likely strategy for the mafia to use, I'd go, then iszabelle (here we are in my head, where I know I'm innocent, but since this could be pivotal I'd vote when they told me to). If iszabelle and I disagree, it would be up to Stoat, which should be acceptible to everyone (except maybe Stoat, but tough titty said the kitty).

The other option is for one of the mafia to choose a third target, but as you said, it's all or nothing at this point. A third target is an attempt to split the villager vote and only the mafia would do it.

1) That's why he should go last.
2) Those of us who are innocent only know two of the four -- ourselves and Stoat.
3) If Iszabelle, Stoat and I go last, the mafia will have to go before us, since at least 2 of us are innocent (both iszabelle and I are certain that at least two of us are innocent, but for the rest of you, it's unlikely that iszabelle and I are both mafia). We'll see the mafia voting together. Since my cred's the worst out of the three, I'd vote when they told me to.
4) Obviously Stoat should vote for who he thinks is guilty, regardless of iszabelle's vote. I did say "if he can help it," and "it'll depend on how things go." I was just pointing out that he'd followed her lead in the last 3 votes, all for the wrong person (though twice it was for Byron).

As I see it, the flaw here is that we can't be sure of iszabelle, but hell, you've got to trust somebody. Maybe Stoat could decide who casts the pivotal vote.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
18:05 / 15.03.03
OK, this is to let you know that I' in an nternate cafe woth 4 minutes n the clock. I won't be able t check in agan until onday afternoo so waiting for me might not be a great strategy, unless the Colonel wants t take Iszabelle pstairs agan for a little R&R.

My two penn'rth is - for total fairness (TM) we should someow establsh a random order for voting. I would suggest alphabetical off the top of my head but other possibilities are asking grant to roll a dice, age rder ... I dunno something.

Anyway. Start voting if yulike, or wait forme if you like - or just enjoy your weekends, like I like.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:25 / 15.03.03
My last attempt:

The idea is to put the votes in order balancing suspicions against trust; naturally, I put them in order of who's suspicious to me. It would force the mafia to split their vote, which is less risky than trying to achieve total (correct) villager unity. Loyal villagers will try to tie the vote so that Stoat is the decider. The trick is preventing the mafia from all going first and each nominating innocents, but I think that would be laughably obvious and the people going later would be able to counter it.

But fuck it, it's just a game. We can throw in willy nilly if you want.
 
 
Rev. Orr
20:42 / 15.03.03
for total fairness (TM) we should someow establsh a random order for voting. I would suggest alphabetical off the top of my head

And where would that place Whisky? Hmm, quelle surprise. Nice try.

Hell, if people want to hold back and play chicken with the voting then that's their perogative. It's a perfectly valid tactic and I'm a little suspicious of anyone trying to remove that right without prior agreement.

Having said that, I will not be competeing to be the last voter. Frankly, at this stage I've shot my bolt and can be completely open. Everyone knows where I stand, who I think the mafia are and why I want to vote in the middle not at the start. I tried herding cats last round and everyone turned round and pointed out that I was a cat also and what the hell was I thinking? As soon as there is a vote for one of the wyrd sisters (look, if I'm going to be labelled a mysoginist anyway I might as well just accept that) I'll add my support. Til then, for me to vote risks preventing villager unity and sinking us all. I hope that's clear. I hope it makes sense.

Obviously, I have no problem with Qalyn, Iszabelle and Maominstoat having the last three votes but I doubt that the others will be as accomodating. If Grant feels he has to issue a deadline for voting then that's his right, but in the interest of fairness, we have to allow Whisky time to get back to internet access.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:29 / 16.03.03
I don't care how long it takes. I'd rather hurl myself into slurry vat in a fit of passion than vote before Whiskey and BiP.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:35 / 18.03.03
I love how this has suddenly become that I'm guilty until proven innocent. I feel like Joey in Friends, when he puts his copy of Little Women in the freezer so that Beth won't die. Except in my case I'm trying to freeze-dry my own ass. And that's not nice.

Responding to some of the above - nice cosying up to Iszabelle, Orr. She's innocent, he says, with that comforting air of certainty. She may know that for sure, but there's only one way Orr could. Subtle. Why don't you slip her a twenty and kiss a few babies while you're at it?

Alphabetical voting - first thing that came into my head, frankly. It might put me last but it would put at least one of the other people Orr thinks is Mafia first, or near the beginning anyhow. And let's not forget that alphabetical order would also put the Profess-Orr near the end too. Neither fear nor favour, that's me.

I also think it's a bit mean to make me vote first when I'm clearly going to be nominated by at least two people this round - thus depriving me of a chance to save myself by voting later, against whoever is/are the other nominee(s). What if I vote for Orr and I'm the only one? Then I'm really stuffed and it'd be the order of voting that stuffed me. Nu-uh. Talk to my lawyer.

However, neither do I want to hold up the game, cos that's not what it's all about. At least this way it gives me a chance to look back over the thread and gather some evidence to defend myself/try and see who has been working with the lovely Professor - unfortunately I don't get off work till 7, but I will post what I've got as soon as I humanly can, and then I guess people can make up their own minds.
 
 
grant
15:49 / 18.03.03
Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.








Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.
 
 
Lionheart
17:04 / 18.03.03
Goddammit!

Kill somebody already!
 
 
Rev. Orr
17:42 / 18.03.03
I also think it's a bit mean to make me vote first

And how exactly would we do that, Whisky? I'd love to know. Nice spin, though it's something of a stretch to turn 'Hell, if people want to hold back and play chicken with the voting then that's their perogative.' and 'but in the interest of fairness, we have to allow Whisky time' into an executive order for your to cast the first stone.

nice cosying up to Iszabelle, Orr. She's innocent, he says, with that comforting air of certainty

Oh come on, it's far too late for me to worry about the whole 'you could only be certain if you were mafia' argument. Yes, I'm arrogant, but you knew that already. People have already drawn their conclusions and raising it yet again smacks of a certain degree of desperation. I think she's innocent because I think you three are guilty - old news. There is no axis of Orr, m'dear. Wish there was.I tried to assemble a agreement on who to lynch and failed. You know for certain that you will not vote alone unless it suits your team to do so. The mafia still have the advantage of working in unison that we villagers do not.

So far, there has been a remarkable openness about the non-voting. I've bored everyone to tears explaining when and for whom I'm casting my lot. Qalyn has expressed his reasoning for holding back and put forth a very logical pattern for Iszabelle and Maominstoat doing the same. Lolita and Bengali obviously have not had their instructions yet and so are keeping shtumm whilst you waffle on the defensive. Feel free to call my bluff. Sacrifice a mafia member and no-one will believe my theory. Nominate me and take your chances. Identify my supposed allies and nominate them. Do as you will, but I can't force you to act. You know what I'll do - what's your move?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:54 / 18.03.03
Oh for fuck's sake. I'm finding it hard to give a shit about this right now, what with some big personal stress going on, oh and the Whole Impending Doom Business.

Probably comes of watching our glorious leader bring nationalist stereotypes and racism back where they belong, into Parliament. But this is offtopic.

Kill me. then I won't have to bloody play any more.

Will that do, Orr?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
18:14 / 18.03.03
%Go, puppet!%

And how, Orr, do you propose I make people do that?

At the risk of being thought Mafia, she's got a bloody point.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
18:40 / 18.03.03
And I think maybe everybody's scared to vote right now. I know I am.
 
 
Rev. Orr
18:43 / 18.03.03
So what do you propose to break the impasse?

Other than forgetting the game and worrying about reality instead that is.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:54 / 18.03.03
The village medium sits bolt upright, face fixed into a terrible Flyboy-like rictus and eyes blazing with the fury of the nether realms. She rasps: What if the Mayor nominates an arbitrary, random voting order which must be followed? - then she slumps back down into her pile of slurry-stained tarot cards.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:57 / 18.03.03
orr, doing this pubicly as it seems fairer, but have pm'd you also with more detail.

I'm really sorry for going off at you like that, basically I just read that at exactly the wrong moment after a rough week and took it waaaaaay too seriously.

Would delete but it'd make the subsequent posts look a bit strange so will leave it in. but please accept my sincere apologies for taking my stress out on you, totally unfair, and crap.

It's fine. and I'm .

But i'll freely admit that I'm scared to vote. Even at the risk of appearing to be 'Whisky's Lackey'.

 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:58 / 18.03.03
Since the mayor knows who's mafia, he can't promise it'll be random... unless he's got a piece of paper he can tear into sevens, a pen, and a hat. He could also invite an outsider to do it. Or he could give us till midnite and declare that we missed our chance, giving the mafia a free turn.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:59 / 18.03.03
God, how I'd love to be Whiskey's lackey. How about it, WP?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:18 / 18.03.03
Since the mayor knows who's mafia, he can't promise it'll be random...

That'd be my objection as well.

But letting the vote slide would be equally unfair, as that would favour the mafia.

Mayor Grant, help us

We're all gonna die...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
19:34 / 18.03.03
Yeesh, I wrote "midnite". I've also been writing "greatful" all over the place, too. Somebody whack me with a ruler.
 
 
No star here laces
19:50 / 18.03.03
The medium's features elastically twitch into a familiar, mournful gaze. "Why not let them have one chance to change their votes this time round, or nobody's ever going to go first..."

He slumps back down, jowls hanging slackly from the effort.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
19:58 / 18.03.03
Aw no, that way we'd have to wait even longer before we had a decision than on the terrible Night of Waiting for a Hit of hallowed memory.

I would be happy if grant were to roll a dice. I trust that he would favour neither mafia or villagers as he's been pretty exemplary so far.

I don't want to cast an early vote for reasons previously stated but I think waiting for the mafia to come and kill us is an even more dumb idea. However, I don't fancy being either scapegoat or martyr this round, and the best way for me to look out for no.1 is to see which way everyone else jumps. Sorry not to have organised my thoughts more coherently than that yet - it's been a really motherfuckingly long day in the office ...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:59 / 18.03.03
Sure, Q. Now, how many would you like?

The village medium sits bolt upright, face fixed into a terrible Flyboy-like rictus

Orr, can I get a couple of gallons of that slurry over here. And if you can add that special ingredient, again, think I'm ready for it now...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
19:59 / 18.03.03
And Q, you can be my lackey any time. All offers of support are welcome at this point.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
23:19 / 18.03.03
Great, Whisky, that's really flattering. "You'll do." Thanks.

Now I really am gonna lynch you.
 
  

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