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Quantum
10:28 / 25.05.07
So, the Headshop. Should it change, stay the same, get taken behind the woodshed and shot? What will happen if it gets left alone?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:34 / 25.05.07
I saw something nasty in the woodshed.
 
 
Quantum
10:34 / 25.05.07
Quoting Haus from the mod requests thread The current standard of the Head Shop is such that watching an .avi of somebody defecatiing into their own mouth would be about baseline. The loltheorist thread at the very least involves having looked at wikipedia. That's growth of a sort.

A sentiment also expressed in verse;

I scrub it, I scrub it, I may have to boil it,
The Head Shop smells ever so slightly of toilet.


I mentioned it here rather than the HS reflections thread but that could change if there's any discussion on it we haven't already had over there.
 
 
Quantum
10:36 / 25.05.07
I saw something nasty

That was our last Grandma, she wasn't up to scratch I'm afraid and we had to get a replacement.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:27 / 25.05.07
I don't tend to get that involved with HS threads anymore, except for the occasional lurk. Aside from weird smells what sort of problems are we talking about here?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:24 / 25.05.07
I think it's definately got suckier because I'm beeing moved to post there more ATM. I'm usually too scared. I'm even shouting at people in HS recently which is surely a sign of the End Times.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
17:43 / 25.05.07
It looks pretty alive and kicking to me, QC. 4 threads updated today. That's okay for the lith, no? Particularly the more intricate bits.

Must confess, wearing noob hat, I'm not sure what it's for. As far as I can see, most of it could go in Switchboard? The rest of it probably belongs in Conversation or Policy.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:47 / 25.05.07
Yeah dude, but those 4 threads are... problematic.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:11 / 25.05.07
Not the consent one though obvs.
 
 
*
19:15 / 25.05.07
Must confess, wearing noob hat, I'm not sure what it's for. As far as I can see, most of it could go in Switchboard? The rest of it probably belongs in Conversation or Policy.

I think that's part of the problem, there's very little actual headshopping going on there.
 
 
*
19:15 / 25.05.07
The consent thread and the trans thread aside, of course.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:22 / 25.05.07
The Head Shop is a bit like the Temple - it takes a fairly small number of factors to demonstrate how fragile its ecosystem is.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:28 / 26.05.07
When was the Loltheorists moved back to the HS? It seems to be demonstrating some genuine back-and-forth about the significance and meaning kitteh, and it's caught, I think, in between being a generic kitteh-talkin' thread and a more complex discussion about kitteh. Transitioning. Given how visible kitteh is on Barbelith at the moment, possibly it's worth having the thread there...? It looks like it just needs to be pushed a bit more.
 
 
Quantum
10:02 / 26.05.07
I thought it was spoof, discussing the deeper theoretical implications of teh kitteh in a cod-theory way. Shurely? It's a comedy HS thread, revelling in it's paradoxical nature, it's in the Headshop but it's funny! Daywalker!
I'm quite tempted to do a kitteh that says 'I'm in ur headshop killin ur eyez' or 'Nooo they be stealin ma forum' but it may be impolite.
 
 
Quantum
10:19 / 26.05.07
The non-headshoppiness for me is indicated by a lot of miscommunication, muddy posts and poor comprehension, arguments about arguments and derailing and detailed rebuttals etc. all obscuring the actual topic, which unfortunately is sometimes a sow's ear anyway. I'm tempted to point at examples of good threads for comparison, but I don't think I need to, all you people hopefully know the difference already. I just have to resist the urge to mock with lolcatz.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:49 / 26.05.07
I just have to resist the urge to mock with lolcatz.

It's just one of Barbelith's passing fashions, and will probably cough and wheeze itself out at some point.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:47 / 28.05.07
It's a comedy HS thread, revelling in it's paradoxical nature, it's in the Headshop but it's funny!

Time was when pretty much all the Head Shop threads were equally readable as spoof or serious. They weren't any better or worse than threads are now, but no-one expected it had to be all heavy serious discussion, all of the time. The best advice I was ever given for posting to the Head Shop was from Jackie Susann: a) never take it seriously, and b) pretend you know what you're talking about until you do. Jackie was right.

Do people never imagine that play is theoretical, or vice versa? Do we have to break out the Derrida to prove that theoretical jouissance is performative, that is, practiced as it is said? (Sorry, non-headshop trans.: thinky joy = thinky JOY.) That this involves games? Language is games; power is games; thinking is games. I'd rather do ludic spoofery about theorists than talk about whether there's any good in the world, getting into another eye-stabbing argument about whether the US should have invaded Iraq.

At least (and this is mostly directed to Papers) please stop the condescending asides about when the children will forget their annoying new game. Go mock, by all means, in lolcat. But don't talk about people as if they're not reading, not present. It's rude.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:44 / 29.05.07
My apologies, Disco. I didn't intend to offend (& let good Robin make amends...), and I'm sorry for being condescending.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:38 / 29.05.07
I may have said this before, but I think the whole thing with how levity/humour/irreverence in the Head Shop has come to be seen on the board is much like how talking about personal experience there has come to be seen - there was a backlash against it, quite some time ago, because of problems we had with people just popping into the middle of interesting discussions, making a random bad joke, and popping out. But, as I know has been said by people other than myself, if the Head Shop gets thought of as just this dry academic symposium which you need to show a qualification and a list of books read to enter, that's fucked up, and moreover, it doesn't actually make for a higher standard of discussion - in the past couple of years in particular we've seen very clear evidence of how people well-versed in the language and texts of academia can be totally unhelpful, uncommunicative and unconstructive in their posting - so maybe it's time for a rethink...
 
 
Quantum
12:15 / 29.05.07
Rename it the lolshop?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:19 / 29.05.07
Helpful.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:02 / 31.05.07
Has anyone pointed out to Tom that Ganesh doesn't exist here anymore? His name is still on all of the moderation lists. It seems a bit weird.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:12 / 31.05.07
Fly you can't have your cake and eat it. Well not a slice anyway and Head Shop is a slice, isn't it? Contrary to popular opinion Head Shop was never the funnest place to be but it did question quite a few people here. Primarily people who had the same types of interests (sexuality, identity) and for a lot of barbelith members HS became dry because the same ground was being covered. You can't change people's interests- the truth is that barbelith still attracts people with those interests because it's searchable for what's already here- or force different discussions so for you HS will probably continue to be dry unless you allow people to make light of the issues therein, which I suspect is not what you want???

What do you want from Head Shop? Outline that and maybe we can have a discussion about it but you haven't actually done that yet so what response can you expect to your comments?
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
08:13 / 31.05.07
Yes, also Goodness Gracious Meme is still on some of the moderator lists. Is Goodness Gracious Meme still here? I was under the impression that ze wasn't.

Perhaps it is because they will come back some day?
 
 
Spaniel
11:37 / 31.05.07
GGM, deffo isn't here.

We can but dream that our lost comrades will, one glorious day, return
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:56 / 31.05.07
Can I just say that the headshop is, while not strictly speaking the *only* place on the net where I can discuss Althusser to Zizek, certainly the only place where I can expect a *proper* discussion of same with well-considered replies and apologies and sensible resolutions to the non-well-considered replies? I've never found anywhere else as good.
 
 
wicker woman
05:34 / 14.06.07
A question, in all seriousness: Was my HS thread really that bad? It seems to be in with the '4 threads that are being updated / Yeah, but those 4 threads are shit' line of thought.

Asking this probably screams of "I need validation," and it may be that, at least a little; but I can't deny my curiosity.

Things in there got derailed, sure, but my original question seemed (and still seems) like a valid one to me, and looked to generate at least a little bit of interesting conversation.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:21 / 14.06.07
I think the initial question is indeed interesting, and thety are a good three or four hundred very interesting words in reply to it in the first page, but the thread is interesting for showcasing some of the things that tend to send the quality of a thread plummeting stunned to the ground as if by a rock to the head. Treatment of the starter post as platform rather than part, Internet tough guyism, sloppy quotation, interpersonal conflict, fauxlosophy - they're all there. I was going to start a new thread, but it seems like it might be going somewhere now, so your initial effort may not have been in vain, Nico.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:48 / 14.06.07
Nico - I've just been telling ROFLADY to tell us about her reading of Zimbardo's The Lucifer Effect and what that might tell us about evil from, I'm guessing, a social science standpoint (Zimbardo = psychologist, in case you haven't heard of him). Also, I'd like to say that after reading Haus' Treatment of the starter post as platform rather than part, Internet tough guyism, sloppy quotation, interpersonal conflict, fauxlosophy, I'm still wondering whether I should have walked away from the rather ugly and ultimately pointless (to me) argument between myself and mako. I'm definitely seeing some sloppy quotation and interpersonal conflict and perhaps a dab of tough guyism as well in my posts that dealt with mako's. It seems like the thread - which I still think is a worthwhile endeavour - suffered a lot from that whole debacle, and I for one am sorry that happened. Hmmm.
 
  

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