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Spatula Clarke
18:05 / 04.05.02
I missed this thread first time around. Noticed that nobody's mentioned Wings of Honneamise, which I find odd. Well-paced, articulate and touching.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:36 / 04.05.02
And my Eastern pals say that the comic [akira] is much, much better and that the english translation is selling for a reasonable price at a shop in town.

Yes. Read the manga first; I wish to god I had. The movie is great, but I nearly wept at the end of the manga.

Neon Genesis Evangelion: Okay, here's the thing. It starts off like any other anime series, introducing the characters, setting up the love intrest, showing how/why the main character doesn't get along with his dad, and whatnot. The character's develop really well, and everything seems normal (except the Qabalistic influence, but that only makes it cooler) for a series involving giant robots. The series gets more and more complex, and the last two episodes will do weird things to you. It's not what anyone was expecting. Which is cool.

The movie End of Evangelion is the ending that all the fans were clamoring for. Here's the thing, though. A lot of reviews I've read stated that the creator was happy with his original ending, and wasn't at all pleased by the fans rejecting it and demanding a more "normal" ending. So the movie is kind of like "Anno's Cheeky Revenge", as one critic put it. It will warp you if you're not ready for it. Imagine expecting a movie like My Best Friend's Wedding (but with giant robots) and instead getting Natural Born Killers (also with giant robots). Really, really bizzare stuff goes on. I'd elaborate, but I don't want to ruin it for anyone. I think the creator was actually laughing on the way to the bank.
 
 
The Strobe
20:34 / 04.05.02
End of Evangelion is fucking fantastic.

I mean, I think the two endings are both acceptable; one's an internalised representation of the other, imvho. The animation in EOE is just fantastic though, especially: the Sephirothic tree, the MP-EVA fight, and the _ending_.

It's also a total headfuck.

Avoid the other NGE films; EOE is seperate, the other NGE films are just compressed TV stuff. You have to stick with NGE, the first few episodes only show a slight promise of the genius to come... but from around episode 10 onwards, it's a classic.

And yes, bk6 of Akira (just read it) is perfect. The film's good, but the book's mindblowing.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
02:07 / 05.05.02
I had just wrote detailed opinions on both Spriggan and VHD: Bloodlust before I noticed that The Monkey had already done so, and obviously made a better effort than I. Shit.

"End of Evangelion is fucking fantastic.

I mean, I think the two endings are both acceptable; one's an internalised representation of the other, imvho. The animation in EOE is just fantastic though, especially: the Sephirothic tree, the MP-EVA fight, and the _ending_.

It's also a total headfuck."


Yeah, that's a good description. They are indeed both acceptable plot-wise, and the animation is top-notch. I think maybe my earlier post didn't convey that thought well...

The head-fuck is really fun if you know your Qabalah.

Cowboy Bebop This has already been mentioned, but so the hell what. It's great. It's truly hip, and the music is fantastic (just dwell on that one for a while).

"Does anyone else think Ghost in the Shell is completely overrated? Thought it was rather boring myself."

While there certainly are better "what makes a person human/oh shit this robot bastard is self-aware"-esque movies, I think much of Ghost in the Shell was probably lost in the translation. At least, that's what I'm hoping. And it does look great...
 
 
ThomasMunkholt
08:46 / 05.05.02
I think a few more Ghibli films need be mentioned - first, Hayao Miyazaki's:

My Neighbor Totoro is more than just a kid flick - it has such a great sense of humour and fantastic backgrounds/animation/characters.

Porco Rosso is a bit more grown up. It has some incredible aerial battles and a pig as the lead character. Lyrical and fun.

And I'm certain Spirited Away will be amazing.

Pom Poko is by Takahata and almost made in the style of documentary telling the story of the magical animals, Tanuki, fighting the human city's expansion. Funny and dark at the same time. And it looks Brilliant.

Grave of the Fireflies also by Takahata. Two kids surviving the last days of WWII - sad and haunting. *snft*
 
 
The Strobe
10:07 / 05.05.02
Oh yeah; Porco Rosso is majestically wonderful. Beautiful, lyrical, not over-done, and there's enough in it for kids, adults, and anyone with a modicum of a heart. The pilot's heaven sequence is just beautiful.
 
 
videodrome
14:01 / 05.05.02
And there's pleny o' Miyazaki-lovin' going on here.
 
 
videodrome
14:04 / 05.05.02
The thing about the Akira manga-to-film translation is that the series wasn't finished when the film went into production. AFAIK, the manga hadn't even been fully published by the time the film was released. So Otomo made very conscious decisions about the film's deviation from the book - he didn't want to ruin it for people who'd been reading it forever, so he made the film end differently. I think he's a nice guy for doing that.
 
 
rizla mission
16:14 / 05.05.02
So .. what would happen if I skipped all the introductory bits of Evangelion and went straight for the meat?

Complete confusion? ruin it forever? thought so..
 
 
The Strobe
18:46 / 05.05.02
Rizla: you can't do that.

When I said there's not THAT much foreshadowing early on, I mean it - because there still IS some; episode2 features some notable shots that won't make any sense until late on. And at 22mins an episode, it's easily watchable pretty fast. I mean, with EOE as well, it's what, 10 hours odd? That's not bad.

You must watch from the start. Also, remember that the shift in tone and style is very important; you've got to understand it's a SHIFT. And, like the best shifts and twists, it should have been obvious all the long. Many of the clues are there. Many things fit in perfectly that you mightn't have thought would. Just watch the lot.

When my exams are done, I'll burn expressionless a set of it. I could do one for you two if you so desire.
 
 
tSuibhne
17:27 / 07.05.02
So anyone care to mention the cheapest place they've found on the 'net for Anime DVDs? I really need to pick up the NGE box set that was released last month (the entire TV series) but I don't have a lot of cash to do so.

Bestprices.com has it for a $100 Anyone think they can beat that?
 
 
Molly Shortcake
18:01 / 07.05.02
Boogiepop Phantom. Kinda like Lain with a horror theme, but that's a disservice as Boggiepop is it's own animal. The imagery is deliberate and meant to be disected by the viewer as oppossed to Lains - random and provocative.

The first disc is great and the third episode really freaks me out. the third disc was OK and started to explain to much. Haven't seen the second disk 'cause the the story is told out of order from different points of view, the viewer has to piece it together, only the fourth and final disc has spoilers.
 
 
tSuibhne
13:07 / 08.05.02
So I did it. Picked up the box sets for Neon Genesis and Boogiepop Phantom (I'd heard about that from a couple of different places). Guess I can tack another month on to the wait untill my credit card is manageable again. Oh well. Stuff should get here on Thursday or Friday (Fed Ex 2 day was cheaper then UPS Ground, go figure) I'll post thoughts after I sort through it.

Oh, and anyone want the first two Neon Genesis DVDs? I already had the first two, but decided to go for the box set anyways. I'll sell 'em cheap.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
13:29 / 08.05.02
Boggiepop has an absolutely *phenominal* ambient / industrial score. Shades of Silent Hill 2, Tetsuo 2 and DIVE.
 
 
tSuibhne
15:10 / 15.05.02
So I sat down and watched Boogiepop Phantom last night. Whole series (12 episodes) in one sitting. Probably not the best way to watch it. Disk 4 includes notes from the US producer and in there he mentions that BP benifited from the weekly format, becuase it forced people to spend a week digesting the episode that they'd seen. I can definetly see his arguement.

Over all, it's a strong series. Though, it'll probably be better enjoyed by the series anime fan, as opposed to the passing fan. It's deffinetly worth a rent no matter what though. Style is VERY similiar to Serial Experiments Lain, but the style really fits, so that's not a bitch.

Basic story is a kind of twisted take on the good vs. evil motif. The good guys and bad guys are pretty well defined. The grey comes in with the children though. Esspecially the "evolved" children, and how they handle thier new "powers." There are strong under currents of the whole teen alienation themes.

The fun of the series though comes in with it's handling of time. It's not the simple "story told out of order" thing. It's much more thought out then that. And since memories play a significant role in the story, it works well. Also, it's not as easy to put back together as a lot of movies that use this ploy. This one needs to be thought about.

One quick thing though. The previous post said that the first three disks could be watched in any order. Personally, I reccomend watching them in order. disk 1 and 2 can probably be exchanged with out to much trouble, but things start to get explained in disk 3, and so 1 and 2 have a much higher "What the fuck?" factor when watched first.

The problems I do see people having are mostly two fold. One, the series suffers a little from Akira syndrome. Turns out the thing is based on a series of japanese novels. There also seems to be some manga, and a live action film in the canon, but I'm not sure if the anime predates the manga or the live action. So there's A LOT of information to the over all story, and a lot of it doesn't make it into the anime. The charecter notes on disk 4, give a glimpse into how much is left out. Key charecters from the books, that are only in one scene and things like that.

It's not as bad as Akira, but there are a lot of threads left dangling at the end of the series. If you don't mind stuff like that then it's not a problem. If stuff like that bugs the crap out of you, then it's really gonna bug he crap out of you.

The other main problem is for people who are new to anime, and are still in that phase when they have trouble telling charecters apart. There are a lot of charecters in this series. There's also a certain amount of the story told second hand ("did you hear what happened to so and so?") and so you need to be able to keep names straight as well. This was the main problem I had, but it just means I need to watch the series again. And I do plan on watching it again.

Very strong series. If you liked the style and feel of Lain, this will deffinetly impress you. I wish I could put more here about plot and what not. But, to be honest, I really need to see it a few more times before I try and describe what's happening.

If anyone feels like starting up a thread for discussing this (a film club thread, to counter the book club?) I'm all for it. And if anyone knows how I can get english translations of the rest of the canon, I'd be your best friend for ever and ever.
 
 
shirtless, beepers and suntans
02:00 / 16.05.02
ok, this is, like, the 29th time i've mentioned cowboy bebop on this board, but i just like that series so fucking much!

if you can find 'em, you can buy the entire series on DVD (five episodes a pop--"sessions" they call 'em).

it's a kind of film noire-kung fu-sci fi romp that's pretty easy to follow, but at the same time, it's layered. if nothing else it's got a killer jazz/blues soundtrack.

i don't wanna get off-topic, but someone in another thread said the greatest cartoon moment was in a samurai jack cartoon...i'm forced to disagree. to me, the greatest cartoon moment was in the "fallen angels" session of C.B., where spike gets pushed out the stained-glass cathedral window to the tune of an angelic choir as he flashes back in sepia tones to his days in the drug syndicate.

ahh...tv memories.
 
 
Bear
15:47 / 31.07.02
Does anyone know a good seller in the UK (online or otherwise)? I'm looking for Cowboy Bebop and Hellsing but it looks like I'll have to go for an import, which isn't a real crisis but its quite expensive.
 
 
The Strobe
16:04 / 31.07.02
Don't go for Hellsing. I've got it all on DivX, and tbh, it never lives up to its promise. It's crap. Especially the godawful ending. Shame, that.
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
16:53 / 31.07.02
Aeon Flux...hey anybody see The Maxx? MTV showed both, like, ages ago. Like very much.

Yes, must get back into this stuff. Pity so much of it is crap dubbed versions at silly prices. Grrr.
 
 
Trijhaos
17:35 / 31.07.02
The Maxx was a great show. Somebody should release a Maxx DVD.

I'm not sure if they're still doing it, but MTV had Aeon Flux episodes up on their website at one time.
 
 
Bear
08:50 / 01.08.02
Hellsing is no good Paleface? That's a pity the trailer looked pretty good. It'll have to be Cowboy then, you can get the whole series for about £40 which isn't too bad I guess.
 
 
Ellis says:
11:29 / 01.08.02
I love Neon Genesis Evangelion, but I can't affford to buy the videos!

Sob.
 
 
Trijhaos
12:52 / 01.08.02
How many episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion are there? I saw a few DVDs last week for a decent price, but they only had up to episode 12 or so.
 
 
tSuibhne
13:22 / 01.08.02
I wanna say there's like 7 or 8 DVDs, but I can't remember for sure. There is a box set though of the DVDs, which makes it nice and easy to get the whole thing in one swoop.

Anyone know when the NGE movie is going to get released?
 
 
Bear
13:47 / 01.08.02
There's a guy on ebay selling the complete Neon Genesis Evangelion series (26 episodes) and 2 movies, last time I checked it was just over £10. Thats for VCD though not DVD...
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:45 / 01.08.02
My college days were spent watching BubbleGum Crisis.
And Fist of the Northstar is damn good but the live actio version os deplorable. Made the punisher look like high art.
 
 
The Strobe
18:17 / 01.08.02
NGE is 26 episodes, 22 minutes a pop. And then about 90 minutes of End of Evangelion, which I cannot STREES HOW ESSENTIAL IT IS.

Plus it has Eva-02 trashing about seven MP-Evas in probably the best bit of animation in the series. Well, EOE actually has superb animation throughout, but that's because it had a budget.

And don't get VCDs. Get DivX!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:45 / 01.08.02
i don't wanna get off-topic, but someone in another thread said the greatest cartoon moment was in a samurai jack cartoon...i'm forced to disagree. to me, the greatest cartoon moment was in the "fallen angels" session of C.B., where spike gets pushed out the stained-glass cathedral window to the tune of an angelic choir as he flashes back in sepia tones to his days in the drug syndicate.

"Ballad of the Fallen Angels" was the first Cowboy Bebop episode I saw, and it is truly fantastic. That song played when he's falling out the window...sniff...so sad...I have to play along with it on guitar whenever I watch it. I now have it on DVD.

I managed to see every episode in order on Cartoon Network until the very last episode, which I missed by half an hour. I could have cried. And now I can't find the DVD with the last five sessions on it anywhere near me.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:47 / 01.08.02
And Fist of the Northstar is damn good but the live action version was deplorable.

Oh god, was it ever. I wonder how movies like this get made, or why anyone would willlingly allow someone else to see it.
 
 
Seth
20:14 / 01.08.02
Originally posted by Paleface:
And don't get VCDs. Get DivX!

Well, I'd like to...
 
 
tSuibhne
15:36 / 02.08.02
On the way home last night I got the urge to pick up some new anime. Ending up picking up NGE: Death and Rebirth and the first Love Hina DVD.

Love Hina was fun. It's not going to change the world or anything, but it's a cute, fun, series. I'm thinking about going back and picking up the second and third DVD tonight.

I want to pick up End of Evangelion before I make my decision about Death and Rebirth, but I doubt it'll be good. From the back of the box it seems like the two seperate DVDs make up the actual End of Evangelion movie. Which begs the question of why it was split in two? Esspecially since Death (about 3/4 of the disk) is just a rehash of the series. Rebirth ends with the new model Eva's falling out of the planes to attack Eva-02. Seemed kind of a waste to me. Esspecially since I doubt anyone who's not seen the series will understand Death. So, either this is some crass marketing move to get people to buy two DVDs instead of one, or Death and Rebirth is a completly useless purchase.
 
 
The Strobe
17:17 / 02.08.02
No! Don't get Death and Rebirth... Death is a recap of the series, that's for sure. And Rebirth sounds like just "air", the first half of EOE.

EOE is entirely different. Don't buy them, Trijhaos...
 
 
The Strobe
17:19 / 02.08.02
Oh. You did. You fool...
 
 
tSuibhne
20:26 / 02.08.02
And the reason you didn't mention this earlier Paleface? Thanks a lot. And to think, I thought I could count on you

Oh well, it's Friday and my choices are, make a little purchase and have a Love Hina marathon tonight, followed by a Twin Peeks marathon tomorrow (bought the first season on DVD yesterday) or just have the Twin Peeks marathon tonight.

Sometime life is good.

Oh, and I just found this at AnimeNation:

First released to Japanese movie theaters in 1997, Death & Rebirth is a double feature summarizing the Evangelion TV series and preparing viewers for the End of Evangelion. Evangelion: Death is a 45 minute long collection of footage from the first 24 Evangelion TV episodes, expanded by a small amount of new footage, that introduces the Evangelion characters and the themes and characterizations that surround them. The 27 minute long Evangelion: Rebirth is the beginning of an alternate, more action oriented conclusion to the Eva TV series that begins directly after the conclusion of TV episode 24 and disregards original TV episodes 25 & 26.
 
 
The Strobe
21:27 / 02.08.02
Can I quote myself from about six months ago or whenever? (previous page of thread).

Avoid the other NGE films; EOE is seperate, the other NGE films are just compressed TV stuff.

Ahem.
 
  

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