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wicker woman
00:35 / 22.03.04
Big O is another series that people seem to love that I think is just fucking terrible. Nonsensical and hyper-bloated, dramatically.

You're not alone, L... that show is terrible. Honestly, it's one of the few shows on Adult Swim that makes me want to change the channel.

Akira, Ghost In The Shell, Noir, Gunsmith Cats, Hellsing, Read or Die, Key the Metal Idol, El Hazard, Tenchi Muyo!, and Perfect Blue are all highly recommended.
 
 
Mike-O
01:50 / 22.03.04
I watched a few episodes of Inu Yasha for the first time on Friday night... I actually thought it was relatively entertaining in a "Dawson's Creek" kind of way... Ha...

Best animes EVER?? Hmmm:

(1) AKIRA
(2) MACROSS PLUS
(3) NINJA SCROLL

Personal favs, anyway... I hear good things about Metropolis and Perfect Blue... Oh lord, and who could possibly forget Golden Boy?????
 
 
LDones
08:50 / 22.03.04
Inu-yasha is a great show - once you see the elegant combo of girl-cartoon/boy-cartoon that it consciously and effortlessly pulls off you may gain a new respect for it. It's a great mesh of boy-catering aggressiveness and girl-catering explorations of social growth and crushes-on-boys/girls. (I'm talking about intended audiences of children, by the way). It's a terribly charming show. I think they're at episode 140-something in Japan now, and still going.

MC: I watched 3 episodes of Hellsing and could not bring myself to watch more. It struck me as a goth-fanboy version of Dragonball Z without the charming silliness. What's cool about the show for you?

The first Tenchi Muyo series is a tremendous show. Can be enjoyed on a mindless level, but really rewards paying close attention, and is just packed to the gills with fun. I love it to death. They did a really good dub on the Collected Edition of that from Pioneer.

I'm not a fan of Perfect Blue. It tries so hard, and accomplishes so little. It has its moments, but no one acts like a real human being and it just comes off so pretentiously. Two out of the three Satoshi Kon-directed movies I've seen (being Perfect Blue and Chiyoko Millennium Actress) were really mediocre. Both suffer from painfully meandering narratives that just never get to the point, any point. But his latest movie, Tokyo Godfathers is fuckin' great. It's essentially about three homeless people who find an abandoned baby on Christmas and their 'whimsical adventures' as they try to find the proper parents. A really sweet story, with all the humanity that Satoshi Kon's other films lack for me.
 
 
Seth
12:05 / 22.03.04
I really recommend Gunbuster. A precursor to the traumas of Evangelion, brilliantly funny, great sci-fi and weepy at the end.
 
 
Warewullf
18:52 / 24.03.04
I fucking love Gunbuster!! It's just so, big, and beautiful! Yeah, it's cliche-ridden but, hey, it's Anime!

Also, one of the only films (and the only Anime?) where the time-diffrence-when-travelling-at-the-speed-of-light-thing actually comes into play and is important to the plot. And the ending!

Ah, I love it.
 
 
Mike-O
19:21 / 24.03.04
May have already been mention (apologies if yes!) but for cliched, senseless fighting in your anime, look no further than Fist Of The Northstar.... Boo Yaa!
 
 
Bear
19:23 / 24.03.04
As follow-up, Read or Die ends up being rather mindless after an interesting start. Be prepared for potential disappointment.

To be honest I'm still enjoying it, I'm up to episode 15 now and have the rest downloaded so I'm just working my way through them, I think I like it because it's the first series I've watched that has ellements similar to a like a soap opera, but I guess that's not for everyone.

And I like that the British Government has fallen and UK is bankrupt (almost)
 
 
LDones
21:23 / 24.03.04
Oh, I only meant the 3-part movie of Read or Die... I haven't watched the series. Is it better than the original story?
 
 
Bear
00:25 / 27.03.04
If you didn't like the OVA I doubt you will like the series, I'm really enjoying it though and the British Libary are getting more and more evil as it goes on - just downloaded the soundtrack the other night and there is a really sinister version of God save the Queen on it ... the series is set 5 years after the movie and centres around 3 paper using sisters...
 
 
Liger Null
00:46 / 31.03.04
Actually, I like Witch Hunter Robin. Admittedly, the voice-overs aren't the greatest, but they could be worse. The animation is attractive-I love the sepia color pallette. The characters come closer to looking like real people than most anime series-at least they don't have those creepy oversized eyes. I only wish they would change their clothes every once in a while. What is it with cartoon characters and wearing the same thing day in-day out? It's one thing if you're the Simpsons, but a "serious" show should try to mimic reality a bit more.

That's also my problem with Cowboy Bebop(though it's my only complaint!) The music IS great-in fact I'm listening to Tank! as I type this. I recently watched the episode when Edward takes off with Ein to reunite with her dad-while Faye is learning that "you can't go home again"...the song that was playing during that scene actually moved me to tears. Odd...in any other context that song would have sucked.

Has anyone ever heard of a series called: Now and Then, Here and There? I saw a couple of episodes once and it really held my attention. The voice-overs were terrible-but the plot was disturbing-a futuristic society where children were being taken from their homes and forced to serve as soldiers. Very remniscent of what was happening in Seirra Leone a while back (it's probably still going on, as far as I know).

Spirited Away is incredible-but you knew that already
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:16 / 10.01.06
My first long-defunct thread-bump!

I've done this for two reasons: one general, in that there seems to be a resurgence of anime-related interest here in FTVT of late, which I want to encourage; and one specific, in order to talk about one of the best new series of recent years, Haibane Renmei. Created by Yoshitoshi ABe, creative consultant on Serial Experiments Lain among others, it's a show with every bit as much depth as Lain, but in my opinion much more inclusive, emotional and rewarding.

This show begins with a girl dreaming of falling... only to awaken within a cocoon in an abandoned room of a partially-ruined building. Discovered, birthed from the cocoon and nursed into consciousness by the several other young women who inhabit "Old Home", she learns that she is, like them, a "Haibane" ("charcoal feather"): an outwardly normal human with the appearance of an angel, including nonfunctional little wings (which sprout bloodily some time after "birth") and a halo (forged of metal in a dinky ring-shaped blacksmith's pan).

The newly named Rakka ("falling" - all the Haibane are named after their cocoon dream, prior to which they have no memory) learns more about her new world as the days go by. Old Home lies close to an everyday human town, and both are surrounded by an impenetrable wall, contact beyond which is forbidden by a rarely-seen, but sinister in appearance, class of priests. All of the Haibane work in the town for food and favours, and the first few episodes are light and airy as Rakka samples the others' job - baking, librarianship, tower-clock repair - while deciding what path to take. There are darker matters afoot, however, as Rakka's mentor Reki conceals both a mystery illness and the true nature of her cocoon dream, and the childish Kuu prepares for the "Day of Flight"....

I should confess that to date I have seen only half of this 13-part series. I still want to recommend it to everyone; it's so wonderfully made and so inspiringly non-stereotypical. (Not that this is one of those "show this to your anime-sceptic friends and see the scales fall from their eyes!" reviews, or shows.) Shot in a lovely early-autumn palette of greens and browns, without a single fight scene or fan-service shot, Haibane Renmei is also exceptionally well paced, scripted and plotted, with details about the characters and their world emerging in a careful, rather than haphazard or miserly fashion - something that too often mars other "enigmatic" series.

As I often do, I'll let someone else's better chosen words do my last bit of work for me in recommending this series - in this case, something Diz said elsewhere re Spirited Away:

what makes Spirited Away more exciting from a feminist perspective is that things are structured in such a way that the "soft," civilian traits of compassion and diligence in everyday domestic work are valued above the usual patriarchal traits like, oh, say, the willingness and ability to engage in combat.

If, like me, you read that and thought more anime shows would be more interesting if more anime directors thought that way, give this series a try.
 
 
c0nstant
16:28 / 12.01.06
anything by Miyazaki, but specifically Spirited Away.

Also for a bit of fun try "Ranma 1/2", it's a martial arts/romance/farce story about a boy who transforms into a girl whenever he's doused in cold water and turns back when he touches hot water. Oh and his fathers a martial arts master who turns into a panda periodically and...and... no there's to much to explain, just watch it!
 
 
NezZ
11:50 / 13.01.06
I think this is a great thread. As a long term anime + comic fan, I really appreciate the beauty and work put into an animated feature. I also like anime because of the fact that in an animation, everything looks like it belongs. Say in your typical blockbuster there are action scenes with CG that look odd or fake. With an animation, as long as its drawn well it draws you in as you never feel seperated from whats goin on because of bad effects.

I watched Ghost in the Shell again recently and although I have seen it multiple times, over the ten years its been released, this time was the first time it really gelled with me. I understood everything and really appreciated the beautiful animation. Now to see Innocence again!

Some anime to recommend:

Tokyo Godfathers
Mind Game
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Paranoia Agent
Blue Submarine 6
ROD ova
Pom Poko
GITS: stand alone complex
The upcoming Steam Boy
 
 
This Sunday
06:03 / 14.01.06
Suggested anime:
'Adolescence Apocalypse' aka 'Utena: The Movie' and it's related television show. I tried to get a thread going on this, sometime ago, and still have trouble believing nobody else here loves this like I do. Or, that, nobody has anything, love or hate, to post about it.
'Please Save My Earth' is rushed, but the flip-floppy emotional stuff is just high-strung enough to sell it for me. I'm in love! I'm sick to my stomach and kissed a second-grader! I'm in love! I'm confused! My bro ate all the tofu!
I've watched the 'Fake' OVA way too often. Not that good, but it's got a cute romancey boating scene and a guy getting hit in a hotel by a motorcycle.
'Queen Emeraldas', the two-parter, is about as good as sorrowful, lonely pirates fighting a blue-haired space-nazi empire can get.
'R.o.D.' in its different forms is perhaps not ground-breakingly important, but the end of the original OVA and all that 'older sister' business had me shedding a few tears, it did. And it's about damn time somebody did something with somebody getting hot and bothered over books.
And, on the crying note: 'Grave of the Fireflies' hurts, but in that attractive way means you keep going back to it.

Most of what's been listed so far is good, too, but, really, has 'Akira' aged as well as that? 'Ghost in the Shell' had a very cool source to kill it for me, as soon as it burst onto the race from its naked uber-serious tilt-visual gate. And 'Hellsing', too, came from a far superior - which is, more fun and silly and excitable - source. The 'Tenchi Muyo!' stuff is all mostly watchable, as is 'Urusei Yatsura' and the original 'Cutey Honey', despite their length and breadth and shallower pools what drawn from. 'Armitage III' was better than it should've been and I haven't seen a Gainax production, yet, that hasn't worked for me on some level.
 
 
invisible_al
23:03 / 18.01.06
I've recently watched all of Last Exile and despite some plot and dialog that made me want to throw things at the screen I liked it. Has anyone else seen this?

It's the world and the way it's put together that does it for me, I mean 1930's style flying machines mixed in with mysterious ancient technology and flying battleships, where can you go wrong? Not to mention the production design, some of the cut scenes and design work are simply amazing. They use a mixture of hand drawn and 3D CGI animation for most of the 'flying' scenes and it works nicely.

The basic plot is two courier pilots get caught up trying to protect a mysterious little girl from the mysterious 'Guild' with the help of the also mysterious captain of the flying Battleship Silvanus. Yes lots of mystery here, it actually has a reasonably good pay off at the end which I won't spoil.

Does anyone know why the whole flying battleship thing is such a staple in Anime? This one has tons of them, along with that other staple the 'tall, long haired broody guy who always has half his hair in front of his face' where did he come from?

Oh one warning, whoever wrote the female roles in this needs to get out more and possibly talk to some women. They're not fantasy women but they're not exactly fully fleshed out characters in their own rights. That's the bit that had me shouting at the screen, the sapphic subtext on the women fighter pilot and her co-pilot annoyed me most of all, like she's not allowed to be a strong character without being a lesbian? Weirdness.

But the dog-fight and race scenes are quite cool...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
03:20 / 19.01.06
And it's got character designs and DVD covers by the immaculate Range Murata. So it's also got that in its corner.
 
 
LykeX
05:13 / 19.01.06
Yes! YES! Paranoia Agent. Everyone must get Paranoia Agent. It's beautiful, it's weird, it's everything good anime should be.
Oh yes, it's scary as fuck too. I've never actually been frightened by an anime before.

I starts off a little bit strange, with a mysterious boy on rollerskates attacking people. Then it goes weird with a talking toy dog and a boy who thinks he's in a computer game.
Finally it goes right off a cliff with 2D realities, memories becoming real and the impending end of the world.

I liked it.
 
 
This Sunday
07:35 / 19.01.06
Re: 'Last Exile', you can be a strong woman and not gay, but there's a longstanding rule that you can't be a fighter pilot and not be a lesbian. Irrational sounding, but literature, anime, 'The Phantom', movies, and my dear auntie, seems to support this. And these would not lie to me, or mislead me, would they? Oh, wait.
At least it wasn't 'Airbats': One of you can be my lover, and the other will be my mistress! Yoko, fetch the whipped cream!
I'm afraid we might be expected to take that seriously, and all and not a cue for the two women to run off together and to their tantric love/repulsion thing elsewhere.
... I just gayed two straight fighter pilots, didn't I?
 
 
Seth
13:06 / 18.05.06
Just been on an anime spree, purchasing the following:

- Azumanga Daioh
- The Boogiepop Phantom
- Paranoia Agent
- Bleach

Is there anything else that anyone recommends? Anything new?

Oh, and where the hell can I get hold of an English subbed Gunbuster II?
 
 
elene
13:17 / 18.05.06
... where the hell can I get hold of an English subbed Gunbuster II?

from Lunar Anime?
 
 
Seth
13:43 / 18.05.06
Ah! Thank you. Here's hoping they're subbed.
 
 
This Sunday
15:50 / 18.05.06
Just watched 'Pale Cocoon', which can be found fansubbed online, which is only about twenty-some minutes long, very calmly paced, emotionally indelicate, and had a wonderful and painful revelation at the end. Well worth watching.

Also, if you don't mind drunken-panda subbed bootlegs, or online fansubs, 'Maria Sama Ga Miteru' (Lady Mary is Watching) is a cute series at a private girls' school, involving day to day stuff, crushes and spats and panic over school ranking systems and fitting in.

'Victorian Romance Emma' is about a maid, in the Victorian Era, in England, doing much of the same stuff as above, except for the school bits, and there's a filthy rich Hindustani fellow who travels around with his harem, fancy car, and an elephant, much to the horror and amusement of the whitefolk.

And if you haven't watched the director's cuts for 'Neon Genesis Evangelion', do so. Not a whole great deal added, but everything's cleaned up, what's added does add instead of detract... and they fixed some of the translation errors, which is nice and somewhat unexpected.

And, of course, I second and third all my suggestion upthread, because somebody ought to.
 
 
Seth
10:04 / 19.05.06
And if you haven't watched the director's cuts for 'Neon Genesis Evangelion', do so. Not a whole great deal added, but everything's cleaned up, what's added does add instead of detract... and they fixed some of the translation errors, which is nice and somewhat unexpected.

Generally agreed, but the episode that focuses on Asuka is way OTT. You'd never catch her explicitly stating that she hates herself, so I found some of her internal dialogue betrayed the character. But in general, the extended cuts are the ones to opt for.
 
 
Seth
10:12 / 19.05.06
Oh, I've just finished watching the first three episodes of Gunbuster 2, or Aim for the Top 2, or Diebuster, or whatever it's called. I'm thoroughly enjoying it, it's very silly but I come over all misty eyed when the original Gunbuster soundtrack kicks in. It's from the same creative team who made FLCL and it really shows, what with cats being used for interstellar communication, forehead patches and similar character designs. So it feels like a cross between the two shows.

I'm trying to work out how (or even if) this fits with the original show, whether it's set during or after the 12,000 year period immediately following the original Gunbuster's victory over the insects. If you know, don't tell me. I'm figuring probably after, but I don't want any spoilers.

Slightly disconcerted that I can only find the first four episodes online. Has the rest not been made yet?
 
 
elene
10:35 / 19.05.06
Actually I'm watching NG Evangelion for the first time at the moment. I'm way older than transformers and the like and so I've never watched either Evangelion or Gundam, or any of the other powersuit/robot anime. The thought of huge robots does nothing for me. Of course I was wrong, the first several episodes are stunning - I mean Shinji's relationship with his father really, though the fights are absolutely terrifying too. The last one I watched - Asuka & the UN Navy - seemed a lot more ordinary but anyway it's clear I'm going to watch the lot so I'd better buy them. Are the director's cuts on the platinum edition? Or generally, which edition ought I buy?

Oh yeah, I think Lunar only do English subs, Seth.
 
 
Seth
11:03 / 19.05.06
My copies of the Platinum editions have the option to watch the original version. You should get both if it's the UK release.

Please give us a blow by blow account of what you think of Evangelion. I get vicarious thrills when people discover it, because I wish I could go back and watch it again for the first time.

But make sure you watch End of Evangelion before episodes 25 and 26.
 
 
elene
11:31 / 19.05.06
make sure you watch End of Evangelion before episodes 25 and 26.

Oh, Really? Thanks. I wouldn't have known that. You really want me to have my head together and document all this suffering? Oh, and I didn't even mentioned Rei yet, did I? Well, I suppose I can try .
 
 
This Sunday
17:25 / 19.05.06
On the other side... don't bother with the Eva movies. TV ending was just what it needed to be. Sometime down the road, for an alternate look at how things could have gone, if they'd stuck with an action movie blockbuster atmosphere instead of internal considerations, do the two movies. Otherwise, the TV end, which is more a psychoanalytical/spiritual consideration dramatized, does precisely what it needs to do to close off the series.

When even the director of the movie(s) says things like, he thinks they shouldn't have bothered and should have just stopped with the television series... it puts a sharp angle on the product, y'know?

But one shouldn't feel the need to watch 'End of Evangelion' to understand the series, any more than one should feel the need to play all the way through 'Girlfriend of Steel' or that Kaji Ryouji journal Gainax put out.
 
 
Feverfew
18:11 / 19.05.06
As always, co-incidence - this thread has slipped to the top of the forum on the day I actually went out and bought a Manga DVD for the first time. I have previously watched a lot of Other People's Manga, but this one leapt out of the racks, somehow.

In case anyone's curious, it was Heat Guy J - and having watched all eight episodes it does come recommended, if it's a little formulaic in parts. It tells the story of a police detective in a future city who is partnered with the only legalised Android, in the police section (which comprises these two and their administrator) devoted to watching information and trying to stop crimes, if they can, before they happen.

The main stand-out design element is J, the android himself, who generates heat with any actions he takes (such as running fast, or fighting), and gives it off as steam from vents that project from his shoulders.

The website can be found here , for the curious. I may be underselling it, but I'm tired...
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
19:01 / 19.05.06
I've heard good things about Heat Guy J - the fact that each volume features eight or more episodes for the cost of a normal 4-ep DVD is very tempting.

Just had volumes 2 and 3 of Giant Robo drop through the letterbox - so that's my weekend of titanic retro goodness taken care of, then.

PS: Decrescent: Just now getting into Utena. I know you mourn the dearth of fans of this show on Barbelith, so expect more comments/questions in the near future.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
05:34 / 20.05.06
The Place Promised In Our Early Days is gorgeous, haunting and just a wonderful experience. It deals mostly with the themes of growing up and growing out of the things and people that were once the most important to you, but it has a political subtext, and the animation is to die for. Any anime fan that hasn't seen this, really should.
 
 
Seth
00:52 / 30.05.06
I’m now about seven or eight episodes from the end of Azumanga Daioh and it’s been utterly joyous so far. It’s essentially the story of a group of high school friends and what they get up to in and out of classes. And that’s it. No high concept. No sex. No violence. No swearing. Just charming, super-cute and extremely funny.

The humour and the warmth all stem from the characters and their relationships with each other, building with cumulative effect with each episode. It gets to the stage when Osaka makes you laugh even with just her presence on screen. She’s the sketchy weird kid who seems to live in a different universe to the other characters, and her dialogue is pitch perfect and the voice actor who plays her is superb. She has most of the laugh out loud moments; her absurd horror story; her confusion of escalators with elevators; her gradually receding from view as she absent-mindedly floats out to sea in her rubber ring.

My other favourite character is Sakiki, the tall quiet girl who has her own private inner world which usually revolves around her love of all things cute and cuddly. She’s almost invariably handled with a light touch and is something of an unknown quantity to the other characters, so as the viewer you’re privileged with an insight into her life that her friends only see in glimpses. You see fragments of her as she attempts to befriend the neighbourhood cat (who invariably bites her); her kindness towards the ten year old Chiyo (the child genius who has been moved up five years), Sakiki being the only one who really treats her as an equal; her desire to make every little detail of her cuteness fetish just so.

It’s really hard to explain the appeal of this series to people who are so used to seeing anime as a sci-fi/fantasy medium, the people who need the big ideas in order to buy into the idea of a show before they experience the show itself. It’ll just charm the ass off you, more so the more time you give it to develop. I’m already sad in advance knowing that it has to end and that I may never see these characters again, especially considering that the way the series seems it must end has a kind of heartbreaking inevitability. I just know it’s going to be like the last ever Winnie the Pooh story, and while a part of me wants it to stay in innocence forever I’m glad that the writers are of a decent enough calibre to know that it has to come to a close, and that it will be more powerful on rewatches because of it.
 
 
Seth
00:54 / 30.05.06
Think Charlie Brown and you won't be far off the mark.
 
 
Seth
01:36 / 30.05.06
When even the director of the movie(s) says things like, he thinks they shouldn't have bothered and should have just stopped with the television series... it puts a sharp angle on the product, y'know?

Not for me. Anno has issues. I love his work but any guy who'll include his own death threats over the original ending in the alternate ending and who flashes up cue cards that tell you that give the excuse that they don't have time to show you instrumentality... well, I don't necessarily feel he should be taken completely at his word here. I think he got a little burned by the industry and wanted to save face.

You could see it like this: episodes 25 and 26 form the internal representation of Instrumentality and what it means to the characters, principally Shinji. They're vital viewing, especially the second half of episode 26 which has some of the strongest material of the series, especially when Shinji starts to learn exactly what he can do in this new world of his. Uplifting and tragic, particularly in the scene that forms the backbone of what I understand Girlfriend of Steel to be about.

End of Evangelion gives the narrative a proper ending. It closes the story, whereas the initial ending takes the themes and the ideas and runs with them but leaves the narrative wholly hanging. It's almost unwatchably harrowing in places, a fully-fledged horror movie of near peerless cruelty. It completes the arcs of the rest of the main characters, and is vital for understanding the inner workings of Gendo who up to that point has been NERV's inscrutable driving force. It humanises him, and is worth watching for that alone.

It also has Asuka's realisation of exactly what Eva and the AT Field are, which is as close as the story ever gets to making these things explicit. I really think you need to see it for that sequence, it makes me cry and pump my fist and is the last time you see kick ass action before everything goes straight to hell.

So my perspective is more both/and. They're both necessary, they both have their flaws but they complement each other (sometimes in very difficult ways). My advice to see End of Evangelion first is just from my observation of the thoughts of ninety-five percent of the people I know who've seen Evangelion, and there's bound to be people who see it differently.
 
 
The Strobe
05:57 / 30.05.06
I like End of Evangelion too, but I think you ought to watch 25/26 first. Seth's right; one is an internalised explanation of what happens during Instrumentality, inside Shinji; EOE is the externalised representation of everything going to hell.

It's worth seeing, but I think the effect of seeing it after 25/26 gives it more of a revelatory feel. Also, 25/26 seems quite calm - although very disturbing at the same time. By contrast, EOE shows just how grim and cataclysmic Instrumentality is - which you have to juggle with the fact that it's probably a good thing.
 
  

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