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arcboi
12:43 / 30.10.02
I have now seen EoE and it *still* doesn't make sense ;-)

I'm not quite sure what was going on at the end - or the ending of a 1,000 endings! The final scene just had me going "Huh?"

Still, it had its moments and it does wrap up a lot of the questions that have been plaguing us since the series. Pity the music wasn't as good as in Death & Rebirth, but you can't have everything and it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick (oops - spoiler....)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:47 / 01.01.03
Okay. Got the NGE box set and was very, very chuffed to find that the DVDs are all Region 0, meaning that I've been able to watch the series in comfort, rather than plonked in front of my PC screen. For fellow UK people, Play.com have got the discs available individually (although they claim they're Region 1, but then they also say the same for Them, which I know full well is Region 0). Fuck them off, though, as they're £16 a pop and I imported the box set (the 8 discs that make up the series) myself for just over £70.

Public service announcement ends.
 
 
Bear
12:17 / 08.01.03
I was just about to post about NGE after looking around on Play - where did you get the boxset from Randy?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:28 / 08.01.03
Barnes & Noble. Bad news, though, bear. When I ordered it - which'd be about three or four weeks back now - it was on offer for $99.99. Cheeky nerks have shoved it back up to $152.95 since, so I'd be tempted to look elsewhere if I were you (you'll have the tax to pay when customs get their hands on it, too).
 
 
Bear
13:59 / 09.01.03
So how many episodes are there in the series? It looks like there's going to be about 4 per DVD, I'm not going to start buying if there's something like 200 might aswell just shell out on the boxset
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:35 / 09.01.03
26 eps. 8 discs. 4 eps on each of the first two discs, 3 on all the others.
 
 
Pirate Ven Will Teach You To Lambada (The Forbidden Dance)
16:31 / 09.01.03
End of Eva really is amazing/fucking BIZARRE.
The whole series was like the main character is slowly having a nervous breakdown...

I back Lain as well. Best anime I've ever seen.

Oh, and Gasaraki.
Think Gundam sans anything you may think of Gundam.
I still need to get the rest of the collections, though...
All great stuff, though.
 
 
arcboi
17:54 / 09.01.03
HMV (in London, anyway) are doing a sale and there's a few Anime titles in there - you can get Akira for a tenner and Appleseed for £8.

Lain! I must get Lain.....
 
 
CameronStewart
21:48 / 19.01.03
Alright, maybe I'm just thick, maybe it's because the dvd I have is a bootleg and the subtitles aren't terribly well-translated, maybe it's because I'm doped up on codeine from having my wisdom teeth cut out the other day - but I just watched the first 4 episodes of FLCL and I'm very confused. I don't really understand the story at all.

Does it all become clear in the final two episodes? Is the apparently random narrative just part of the point?

I am enjoying it, though - great animation and it's really unlike anything I've seen, anime or otherwise. Guess I ought to wait until I see the end to comment...
 
 
Trijhaos
01:00 / 20.01.03
So TechTV is going to start showing Serial Experiment Lain either tomorrow or Tuesday. Now, I'm sure it'll be edited for American audiences, you know, wouldn't want to offend anybody. Is there a great deal of "objectionable" material which means it'll be cut beyond all recognition or is it one of those series that wouldn't require too much editing?

Of course, there's always the possibility that it'll be shown uncut, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
 
The Strobe
07:18 / 20.01.03
There's almost nothing objectionable about Lain.

Occasional, implied violence - very occasional; only bit I can remember offhand is in episode 2. But I honestly can't see how there's anything remotely editable in it, for sense's sake, but also for content. It's just not like that. What time's it on? Anything eveningwise and it should be fine. It's really only PG13 material at most, and basically only because it's not for kids; it's too complex, really.

I really don't get quite why American TV edits anime so much. Still, we don't get any here (unless, grr, you have CNX) so I'm sure we'd edit it just as much.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:30 / 24.01.03
I saw FLCL at HMV during a recent Anime run but didn't pick it up. I couldn't justify spending 30 bucks for just two episodes, but I really want to see it pretty badly. I'll scour the net. I did pick up the first GTO disc, after all the gushing I've heard from TokyoPop. Will report more once I've seen it. I've recently reignited my love for Japanese culture so I'll be keeping this and the Manga thread alive. I look forward to checking out NGE right quickly.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:57 / 24.01.03
GTO wasn't all that impressive but I tracked down FLCL and I'm so glad I did. Even just two episodes is worth the dough. This one is Jet Set Radio meets Gorillaz meets every weird idea for Genre City I've ever had. And it's gorgeous. Find it. Watch it. It rules.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:37 / 25.01.03
Cameron, now I've only seen the first two episodes and so who knows what the fuck is reallllly going on, but aside form all the wackiness, all-too human subtext is this really poignant story of two people missing this guy who's in America. One is his brother, whose natural 12 year old puberty-driven confusion is about to be heightened significantly by an alien on a vespa; and the other is his girlfriend, who is fucking around with his 12 year old brother, "Takkun". I couldn't begin to explain what the robots coming out of Takkun's head are all about (although I suspect the alien girl's blow to his head somehow created a doorway to another dimension where these robots are coming from [although, since the robots are being created in that Iron-shaped factory in town, I guess it's just a portal to there]) but the way that subtextual story is being told is incredibly poignant (especially when the abandoned girlfriend [who Takkun hasn't told that she's been replaced in America]) revisits the dessicated remains of the school that burned down years ago where she first met Takkun's brother.

I'll probably watch this a zillion more times before vol. 2 comes out in February.
 
 
Mazarine
16:50 / 06.07.03
I tracked down FLCL and I'm so glad I did. Even just two episodes is worth the dough. This one is Jet Set Radio meets Gorillaz meets every weird idea for Genre City I've ever had. And it's gorgeous. Find it. Watch it. It rules.

I don't know how edited it'll be, and it'll presumably be dubbed, but FLCL is gonna be on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim on August 4th at midnight. I'm thrilled large. : )
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:22 / 08.07.03
personal faves:

-Akira (it's just amazing)
-Castle in the Sky (my favorite miyazaki film, otherwise known as Laputa)
-Princess Mononoke
-Cowboy Bebop (the series and the movie)
-Escaflowne (i possibly like this better than the bebop series on certain levels. it appeals to my fantasy loving geek fetish a lot more. swords and secrets and hidden lands. if you are into nausicaa or five star stories, you'll probably like this)
-Rurouni Kenshin: Trust + Betrayal OVA (simply the most beautiful anime there is. a fantastic samurai love story with lots of history...set during the meiji)
-Trigun (western gunfighting science fiction love)
 
 
The Jungle Keeper's Old Smoky Pipe, Haunted by The Black Dog Spirit
16:30 / 08.07.03
Spirited Away definetly! amazing shamanistc trip!!!!

Maybe Zillion, old but very nice.

And Records of Lodoss War.
 
 
The Fifth Columnist
18:53 / 08.07.03
I got into anime while in college--regularly attended the showings at the Student Union with the other otaku but haven't watched much lately, save Cowboy Bebop on cable. (P.S. that show gets my vote for best anime soundtrack EVER.)
Having seen most of these movies, I heartily reccomend all of them...but I have a couple more suggestions:
"The Wings of Honneanmise" -- hard to describe. It's like the anime version of "The Right Stuff" and mixes humor and suspense.
Also: the "Bubblegum Crisis" series. Blade Runner meets Charlie's Angels. A classic.
 
 
The Jungle Keeper's Old Smoky Pipe, Haunted by The Black Dog Spirit
23:25 / 08.07.03
Sorry, but Cowboy Beebop doesn't have the best anime soundtrack... it has THE best soudtrack ever! Probably better than any movie I've ever seen!
 
 
Bear
11:03 / 10.03.04
Just thought I would give this a little bump as all I ever seem to watch these days in anime, wondering if anyone has been watching anything they would like to recommend...

I've been watching Wolf's Rain (up to episode 15 so far) and I'm really enjoying it probably due to the fact that it's the first series I've started watching.

Nearly finished Lain which I'm also enjoying, love the slow pace.

Trying to download NGE because I really want to see what happens after ep13 after Seth mentioned it in the live action movie thread!

And for pure fun and action Read or Die is excellent, the 3 part movie and the TV series....

I've also been watching single episodes to see if anything takes my fancy, .Hack - Gunslinger Girl and a shit load more..

Any further suggestions....
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:23 / 10.03.04
Is no-one going to say anything good about Overfiend then? I know it's not nice, has the most confused 'plot' in history and consists mainly of rather disagreable violence but in terms of intense bad trip visuals I've never seen it equalled. (Although I must admit I'm not an expert on the genre).
 
 
LDones
12:18 / 10.03.04
I don't believe the UrotsokiDoji films qualify to have anything good said about them. The volume of underage tentacle rape is off the charts in those abysmal things.

I'm going to say some things now that I have never stated on the internet before, for fear of :

Tri-Gun is abysmal.
Rurouni Kenshin is a terrible, terrible show.
And .Hack//Sign is one of the most insanely horrible cartoons I have ever had the displeasure of sitting through more than one episode of.

(phew)
Glad I got that off my chest. The lack of discerning tastes among many proclaimed fans of 'Anime' is disheartening for me, though I know that smacks of intense snobbery.

Cowboy Bebop is an amazing, nuanced experience of a show.

FLCL is one of the finest cartoons I have ever seen, from start to finish - just a beautiful, insane love story about growing up pissed. Track it down if you can.

As is obvious, pretty much everything Miyazaki has done is superb. There's a Region 0 Studio Ghibli DVD pack available that has most everything film-length that Miyazaki's done. My Neighbor Totoro is very close to a perfect object - a wonderful film.

Grave of the Fireflies is amazing. Story about World War II orphans in Japan. I bawled like a child at the end of that one.

The most recent Vampire Hunter D movie is a really great blend of western and eastern influences with fantastic teams behind every part of the production.

Ninja Scroll is really charming and is largely considered a classic. Worth showing to anyone wanting to see what Japanse animation has to offer that differs from what the western world of cartoons is used to.

From what I hear, Azumangah Daioh is also pretty great, but the dub isn't out in the US as of yet. Soon. I've been trying to track down a DVD copy of Wings of Honnemaise - it looks great, but I've never located it in my casual, half-hearted search.

I'm downloading Read Or Die as I type this. Heard some good things about that one.
 
 
Bear
12:43 / 10.03.04
I'm glad you posted about bad anime, I was starting to think that everything was good

I'm going to try and get some FLCL as soon as my net starts working again at home based solely on the fact that the art on the wallpaper I saw was amazing.

Yeah I mentioned the Overfiend stuff at the start as it was something I kept seeing being mentioned.

Cowboy Bebop is something I'm going to have to try again, I started watching the first episode but got distracted (Wolf's Rain has the same artists I believe)

Read or Die is fun, you know it's going to be good as it starts with the White House being blown apart by a guy who can shoot green electricity from his hands and where the main character controls paper
 
 
raelianautopsy
20:17 / 10.03.04
These reccomendations are all well and good, but what about the classics? Not all good anime has to have come out since the nineties. My 80s reccomendations--

Macross/Robotech is required viewing. (the new Macross Zero is great too). More giant robot drama- the original Mobile Suit Gundam is one of the all time greats, and currently only available bootleg is also the first sequel Gundam Zeta. The movie Char's Counterattack and the Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket are all great for characterization and drama. The Patlabor TV series is very good as well. For more sci-fi but no robots are old Dirty Pair shows and movies. Better than Ranma is Urusei Yatsura/Lum, the original zany animated comedy.

The problem with anime is that movies are great for animation but for story only so-so. 50 episode TV shows are the best ones but they take a lot of dedication, but it is often worth it.
 
 
LDones
23:07 / 10.03.04
I want to take a moment now to ask you, raelianautopsy, how on Earth human beings can stand watching any Gundam series while simultaneously taking it even remotely seriously - Mobile Suit Gundam is the most ridiculous of the bunch. It's so nonsensical that it borders on complete and never-ending metaphor in place of actual events.

The statement that film-length animations are inferior narratives to series' is absurd. Can you give examples of what makes you say this?

I can see some of your point about the short memory of many animation fans, but most of Miyazaki's films came out in the 80's - It's only Mononoke and Spirited Away that have come out since. A large part of why this is, though, is that the translations have largely been given poor consideration before the 1990's - After that point, the voice direction became more of a factor, translations became more acute and interesting, and more attention is paid to getting quality copies of the originals to Western shores - studios certainly began plunking more money down to get them over here to the US.

It isn't necessarily the age of the cartoon, but the quality of the western translation team(s)(except for shows that simply haven't made it over here, obviously). A good example of this is Lupin III - a really great series from the 70's that only very recently received a stellar translation and voice cast for English-speaking audiences.

This has the double effect of raising the bar and homogenizing the process a bit. The Cowboy Bebop westernization was so wildly successful that it's become the one to copy now and again, particularly by hiring the same voice actors - but some otherwise interesting shows are crippled by that approach. There are probably no more than 30 actors in total that get regular medium-profile work in cartoon voice-overs. They're there because they're good, but it can lead to a really stale feel when every show is attempting to use them. Steven Blum/David Lucas is in practically every show that comes down the pipe now.

An example is Witch Hunter Robin. The voice cast features most of the major actors from Big O, most of whom had worked (at least once) on Cowboy Bebop prior to that. The feel worked magnificently in Cowboy Bebop, but the style horribly misrepresents Witch Hunter Robin - which I'm sure is a fine show in Japanese but with the monochramatic melodrama and a shoddy handling of the Japanese script, it comes off painfully adolescent and super-expository with the baroque pace of its translation.

Big O is another series that people seem to love that I think is just fucking terrible. Nonsensical and hyper-bloated, dramatically. Oh, and on my Ninja Scroll recommendation? The movie's fun, but DON'T watch the series, it's terrible.
 
 
raelianautopsy
02:31 / 11.03.04
There are a lot of diffirent Gundam series and some of them aren't that good.

But the first, and second, Gundam was great. I am referring to the first one from the late 70s/the movies from the early 80s. What was so bad about it? It had sound science fiction and great characterization. The characters evolved and it had a great climatic ending. No other science fiction story that I can think of had as good and balanced depiction of the horrors of warfare. And Gundam Zeta was very dark and deppressing on that front.

But are you reffering to the same shows?
 
 
raelianautopsy
04:42 / 11.03.04
The thing about movies is that, for me at least, they are just too short. Whenever people are just getting into anime and/or reccomending they always just say movies.

There are a lot of movies I like, the second Lum movie Beautiful Dreamer, Miyazakis, End of Evangalion is super brilliant, Wings of Honneamise, etc. But for a super-nerd like me it is just not enough commitment to only sit down for two hours and never see the characters again. There is more reward to wait out on a long series, even if there is not as good animation.

Another thing about Gundam: I just like science fiction anime. I think that it is the best genre that translates into animation. No one else has to like it, that's just my opinion.
 
 
macrophage
12:50 / 11.03.04
Overfiend is the dog's bollocks, as is Ghost In The Shell. I recently watched Battle Royale and that was interesting! Has anybody seen Dominator that was done in the UK that's like UK Manga?!
 
 
Nobody's girl
14:41 / 11.03.04
Who's seen Kare Kano? It's a TV series by the same guy who did Neon Genesis Evangelion, possibly the sweetest love story you'll ever see, a blessed anodyne to shitey teenage dramas like Dawson's Creek.
 
 
LDones
17:17 / 11.03.04
raelianautopsy:
I was wrong - the Gundam series I'm thinking of is Mobile Suit G Gundam, which is a fuck-awful cartoon. I haven't seen the original - my apologies for the mix-up. I've seen the dub of 0038 and it bored me to tears, but the older stuff might be more charming.

Read or Die IS a lot of fun, now that I've seen some of it - the 60's pop orgasmic Book-buying sequence near the beginning of the first episode sold me.

I got ahold of the fansubs for Azumangah Daioh this morning, and it's great. Enormous fun.

Kare Kano looks interesting...
 
 
The Strobe
17:43 / 11.03.04
macrophage - not sure if you're aware of this, but the term "Manga" only refers to printed Japanese comic books; animated series are referred to as "Anime". Battle Royale has become a Manga since, but it was initially a plain old live-action film. You might be referring to the fact that in this country, they're distributed by Manga Media; the term "UK Manga" would refer to a comic book. Sorry to be pernickity, but it's a necessary evil of anime threads. The Manga name is slightly tarnished with mid-nineties tabloid images of the old ultraviolence, which is not strictly representative of Anime. (There's also quite a lot of interesting live action stuff being distributed by Manga Media now - Lars von Trier's The Kingdom amongst that haul).
 
 
Simplist
20:39 / 11.03.04
I haven't read the whole thread, but it doesn't look like anyone's mentioned Berserk yet. Definitely in my top five ever, kind of a medieval fantasy epic featuring some of the most heartwrenching character development I've yet seen in the form.

(Warning: Season 1 ends with a brutal cliffhanger, and Season 2 has yet to be produced! Aaargh! Dark Horse has just started publishing the manga, but it will apparently be several years before it catches up to the end of the anime and we find out what happens next.)
 
 
Haus, Heart, Home, Hearth
14:18 / 21.03.04
One word: Akira
Several words: Whoever suggested Vampire Princess Miyu should contract a form of Aids that starts with the face.

VPM is the biggest pile of cack I've seen. Essentially, imagine a hyper-active, brain-gratingly perky vampire teen who is also TERRIBLY DEPRESSED fighting bizarre and stupid monsters in a series of stories that are really badly paced and layed out.

Imagine if someone made an anime with the Cut-Up technique but because there's no story the supercontext doesn't actually appear.

Ludicrous!!!1one!
 
 
Haus, Heart, Home, Hearth
14:51 / 21.03.04
There's also some kind of silent bodyguard type in it who is TOTALLY NOT THE MOST BORING CHARACTER EVER.
 
 
LDones
20:09 / 21.03.04
As follow-up, Read or Die ends up being rather mindless after an interesting start. Be prepared for potential disappointment.

And Azumangah Daioh is just phenomenal. Charming, sweet, vital. Great series. You can hit the entire series in fansubs on some of the more prominent BitTorrent site - and the DVDs get released in the US in June, if I'm not mistaken.
 
  

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