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uncle retrospective
11:00 / 30.05.06
I re watched the whole lot of NGE and EofE cause of this thread, and I don't know if it was just because it was the second time I saw it or if it was the fact I was watching the subtitled versions including the directors versions, but I feel there was no need for EofE. I understood what was going on.
Saying that it'd have missed the Eva2 battle and that's amazing watching.
Now is it me or are they different endings


Spoiler

In the series Shinji starts to work out Instrumentality, in E of E, well everything is just fucked. The last word spoken does not give you a happy ending.
Seeing as the director was feeling bitter about having to explain himself, do you thing the new ending was a "fuck you"?
 
 
Seth
11:28 / 30.05.06
No… I think it’s more in keeping with the tone of the series than Shinji’s eventual self-discovery, which felt forced in the final episode, which trod a fine line between twee and tender, and overbalanced occasionally. I just don’t really think Shinji is capable of that kind of self realisation in the manner depicted, he’s just too fucked up.

The final scene in EofE is the essentially the result of Shinji turning down Instrumentality, only forced back hard onto the viewer. Up to this point you’ve had a pretty complete and privileged birds eye view into the psyche of this character, but the rejection of Instrumentality is all about returning to being individuated beings who can’t ever truly understand each other and who will inevitably hurt each other. This plays out in spades on the beach: you’re suddenly robbed of your ability to understand these two main characters, and so their actions and words are horribly inexplicable.

The ambiguity is the point here. You’re left on the outside of two people you thought you knew. Great final scene.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:40 / 30.05.06
That's a very clear explication of that final scene, Seth. The refusal of Instrumentality returns us to a world with boundaries, where the actions of discrete individuals once again have meaning and can help or harm others. So, the fact that Shinji's first act on returning to such a world - attempting to strangle Asuka - for all the shock and misery that it contains, nonetheless provides an ending that can be seen as hopeful and positive. Of course, very few people might be expected to take such a view without having first been thoroughly immersed in Anno's weltschmerz for the previous 90 minutes or 24/26 episodes.

I'd like to add that in my opinion, EoE, for all the "grim, disturbing, cataclysmic" elements that Paleface rightly points up, is also full of wonderfully romantic, humane moments. Misato's final speech to Shinji (and her murmured coda when she's alone), Ibuki's and Fuyutsuki's ecstatic union with their heart's desire at the moment of Instrumentality, all of Yui, Rei and Kaworu's dialogue with Shinji in the Sea of LCL, the long, impressionistic live-action sequence... the whole last half of the movie, on the right day, can turn me into a blubbering wreck. It hits the same way a great Flaming Lips song, like "Do You Realize??" or "What is the Light", can do... a huge, orchestrally powerful, overwhelming expression of hope and faith in the midst of the very worst things that life can throw at you.
 
 
uncle retrospective
19:19 / 30.05.06
Cheers, that makes a whole lot more sense, I thought the happy ending didn't fit but the whole show was so traumatic by the end I was just glad the pain ended.
The end of E of E gives the line "I'm so fucked up" the gravity it needed, Shinji was just too much of a mess to accept Instrumentality. What a show, no, what a fucking great show. If only I could get my friends to watch it.
 
 
Seth
20:53 / 30.05.06
The end of E of E

I had to read that about five times to check whether you'd included the correct number of Es, Ends and Ofs.
 
 
Seth
20:56 / 30.05.06
If only I could get my friends to watch it.

I feel your pain. People seem to want their anime in movie-sized chunks, as though they believe it can't work in a series format. And that's disregarding the number of people who won't watch it at all.

See my post about Azumanga Daioh earlier in the thread. There's about one person who I know who I could convince to watch that show from that description. I'm doomed to have no-one understand my most important textual reference points for making sense of Seth.
 
 
Seth
22:50 / 10.06.06
Just finished Azumanga Daioh. It mercifully avoided the Winnie the Pooh ending (I don't think my heart could have stood that). I cried buckets at the graduation ceremony. Little Chiyo-chan owns the last episode.

I'm now bereft, and am firmly of the opinion that Osaka is the funniest character in anything.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
04:17 / 11.06.06
I've only seen about four or five episodes of Azumanga Daioh, but I enjoyed them a lot.

Because no one else has, I have to mention Urusei Yatsura: Beautiful Dreamer, the second Urusei Yatsura movie. A truly fantastic movie, easily the best of the six Urusei Yatsura movies, and downright stunning when you consider that it was made when the writing and animation crew was still putting out the Urusei Yatsura television series once a week with no seasonal breaks (for five freakin' years, I might add. They missed only one or two weeks in the entire course of the show).

Beautiful Dreamer has a very different feel to it than the series itself, but is no less spectacular because of it. A fine film in its own right. I love it despite never having seen any of the other movies or any of the television episodes.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
07:50 / 11.06.06
I have owned the final volume of Azumanga Daioh for several months now, but have as yet been unable to bring myself to watch it, largely for the reason Seth mentions - that I would have to be stretchered off the sofa afterwards and firmly told to stop blubbering. Now might have to be the time.

If you're still interested, Seth, the fansubbed fifth episode of Gunbuster 2 was released this week on Lunar Anime. This OVA is such a treat for fans of the original (and, with its constant snippets from other Studio Gainax shows, for lovers of Anno, Tsurumaki, Sadamoto et al's work to date) that it can occasionally feel a little enclosed and selfconscious; but the execution is so wonderful and the story and characters sufficiently heartfelt that it's more than forgiveable. Part 5 really ups the ante on the cosmic stuff and contains some satisfyingly nasty character development. Go!
 
 
Triplets
18:39 / 11.06.06
Has anyone got a copy of Giant Robo #7 to lend or sell? Amazon had every other episode in stock but when it came to 7, whoops! sorry! It's like someone's ripped out the last chapter.

Once I have the last chapter I'll post a big megareview. Barbelith shall yearn for titanic mechasphinxes and fire-breathing sailors.
 
 
Seth
08:18 / 12.06.06
Thanks for the tip off. Gunbuster II number five is now downloading.

Ah, Gainax. Why am I not surprised that this is so irregular?
 
 
Seth
08:29 / 13.06.06
Re: Gunbuster II. At the start of the show I wasn't quite sure why they were focusing on Dix Neuf to the exclusion of the other Buster Machines... but with episode five you can really see what sets him apart. He's a cantankerous, stubborn old warhorse that's seemingly been around hundreds or even thousands of years, long enough for languages to die out. He chooses to keep his gaping head wound despite its removing some of his powers because he wants to retain the experience. He's now up there with the best of the giant robot characters. Impeccably well dressed, too.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
21:37 / 13.06.06
I know! That little exposition scene with Lark and Casio - the dialogue about "the sixth recovery" and an era "forty generations" before Lark's tenure as pilot - had me frothing with geekery. Perhaps it's because I just read Vernor Vinge's Marooned in Realtime and have a real freak on just now for "deep future" sci-fi and proper cosmic warfare astrobabble. Or perhaps it's just because GBII flaming rocks. The shoe dropping at the start of ep 5 about "Nonoriri" and Nono's later dialogue about how that person isn't special... it's just pure, joyous fan service of the cleanest kind. Ahem.
 
 
Seth
22:36 / 13.06.06
Have to say, my favourite moment so far was Nono humming the original Gunbuster theme and knowing full well what HAD to happen next. So many levels of metacool.
 
 
Seth
22:39 / 13.06.06
Plus I really fancy Lark. I mean really. Is that wrong?
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
10:51 / 14.06.06
How many half hour episodes of Azumanga Daioh are there? I downloaded an AD collection based on the comments in this thread, and I have 26 episodes.

I've watched 4 so far, and I'm really liking it. It's genuinely funny.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
22:09 / 14.06.06
I really fancy Lark. I mean really. Is that wrong?

Not at all; she has a terrific nonchalance-bordering-on-arrogance cool and tomboy charm - like Miss Sakaki if she knew she was It. The scene in episode 2 where she casually peels off her inhibitor patch before calling forth Dix-Neuf, to the horror of the Amarao-analog military captain and his crew, is so emblematic of that ace-pilot persona of hers.

Snippet of GBII trivia: the Japanese term for the type of unruly cowlick sported by Nono is aho-ge ("idiot hair")! (Courtesy of Newtype USA.)
 
 
Seth
00:56 / 15.06.06
There are twenty-six episodes of Azumanga Daioh. I watch them. One by one.

Glad you like it. It gets tons better as it goes on, it improves with almost every episode as you get to know the characters more. I love this show.
 
 
Seth
14:22 / 16.06.06
Anime! Watch Anime!

Live action = bad. How can you not see?
 
 
Ticker
01:37 / 18.06.06
:hat in hands:

please can you direct me to where I may ask about hentai titles without being disruptive to the anime topic?
thank ye!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
07:31 / 18.06.06
Well, I'm not well-versed in hentai, but it's still technically anime, right? Seems to me that your questions should be right at home in this thread.
 
 
Ticker
13:18 / 18.06.06
true but some anime fans get ...unpleasantly annoyed...by hentai. I just want to make sure it is okay to bring it up here.
 
 
Seth
11:32 / 21.06.06
I know next to nothing about Hentai. Is it deserving of its own thread? Are enough people here informed enough to talk about it in an interesting way rather than getting cross? I think there are a good many series and films discussed here that would probably warrant their own thread, but there just aren't enough people to sustain them.
 
 
This Sunday
19:21 / 21.06.06
I'd suggest dealing with it here. I'm against a general 'anime' thread, on principle, which is why I tried to start an Utena thread of its own, sometime back... but, if you break off for hentai, it may quickly and pointlessly dissolve into a 'porn/not-porn' argument and get nowhere slowly.
 
 
Ticker
01:01 / 23.06.06
ok, so no one is going to be offended by me asking about hentai titles or possibly discussing them(in a non icky way)?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
04:42 / 23.06.06
I would rather you didn't, purely on grounds of taste, but I doubt I have the standing to make much of a fuss as I recently started a thread in the Conversation about words that describe the act of making someone crap their pants ("purge" or "purged", as in "he tackled him so hard he purged the poor bastard and made a huge mess"). Pretty tasteless, I'm sure we can all agree. There's a chance I'm being too puritanical and/or hypocritical about this.
 
 
Ticker
14:21 / 27.06.06
I was wondering if it might be better for it to have its own thread so people who aren't interested don't have to read it. Are enough other people interested in talking about it intelligently for us to launch such a thread?

I'd like the topic to be a bit less "what's your favorite hentai" and a bit more "why is that your favorite hentai and what do you think about hentai". Is that too Head Shop though?
 
 
LykeX
15:27 / 27.06.06
All for it, xk. I don't really know how much I can contribute, but I've had a thing for the freakier side of anime ever since 10th grade where the entire class skipped our french assignment to watch Urotsukidoji. Good times.

Anyway, a non-icky discussion of hentai sounds great.
 
 
The Strobe
11:48 / 28.06.06
Is that too Head Shop though?

No, it sounds like ideal FTVT conversation, though, I think (given potential offensive material being discussed and matters of taste) it warrants its own thread - especially if you want to discuss the wider matters around the topic.

I'd be interested to see how it developed, anyhow.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
17:49 / 28.06.06
I'll add my voice to the for-a-Hentai-thread yaysayers, since the main Anime thread is running nicely once again and I think we have enough sensible contributors to avoid descending into the mire.
 
 
stabbystabby
09:26 / 04.07.06
did anyone mention Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex and GITS - 2nd GIG? cause they're good.

also - animeyume.org has fansub torrents. good ones.
 
 
Ticker
20:03 / 05.07.06
I started the Hentai Thread.
 
 
Seth
18:04 / 10.09.06
Oh good lord when will Gainax put out the final episode of Gunbuster II? Will I have forgotten my own name by then?

Now for the real question. Am I alone in thinking that Bleach is actually deserving of its own thread? And am I fickle for ditching Lark in favour of Rukia?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:09 / 10.09.06
I don't know, but I love love love Mononoke, Spirited Away and so on. What's interesting after watching those films is I stumbled across these old Japanese illustrations:





Such imagery...
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
23:56 / 10.09.06
This summer I've really been enjoying Ouran High School Host Club and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. The latter is already finished, it was only 13 or so episodes, pulled from a manga series that is at least seven or eight volumes already. Even so, it's a pretty good comedy/sci-fi series.

Ouran High School Host Club cracks me up. Funny, funny stuff.
 
  

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