BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


The madness of John Byrne

 
  

Page: 1 ... 23456(7)89

 
 
bio k9
07:48 / 27.01.05
You're right, they're not similar cases. On one hand you have a thread about the passing of a dignified elder statesman and true pioneer of the medium and on the other you have a thread about an insane old man that hasn't created a comic worth reading in years and is probably best ignored. Or pelted with herring.

I'm enjoying this thread as much as anyone but come on... the 2 biggest threads in the comics forum are about Brad Meltzer's rape of Sue Dibny and John Byrne's rape of logic and sanity.

And before anyone gets too high on the "ridiculous suck-up discussion board" horse let me just thank the sweet Baby Jesus that Grant Morrison doesn't post here.
 
 
_Boboss
08:18 / 27.01.05
and your contribution to the eisner thread is?

oh, that's right, you're just being a hypocrite again.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:32 / 27.01.05
kovacs There's enough gush about "Grant" on this board -- an all-seeing deity to some fans, it seems

Yep, seen a lot of that recently. Based on discussions there's 116 posts about Morrison, based on the several different projects he's currently engaged in, 211 on John Byrne and his fans. That's what, 30% more gush?

I've got no problem with laughing at John Byrne and his hilarious right-wing opinions and views. It does get a bit icky at the 'look at the geeks in that sad comic forum' stage, especially when it's coming from a bunch of geeks in another comics forum. Generating ill-will between boards, whether they could register to post on Barbelith or not, is unsightly, there seems to be too little arguing the point and too much arguing the person right now.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:55 / 27.01.05
Based on discussions there's 116 posts about Morrison, based on the several different projects he's currently engaged in, 211 on John Byrne and his fans. That's what, 30% more gush?

Well, no. You are not making a distinction between a "post" and a "gushing post".

The 211 posts about Byrne and his fans are mainly incredulous, amused or critical. Some of those 211 posts are not about Byrne at all, but are complaints about the thread itself.

I expect the 116 posts about Morrison and his work are entirely different.

But it's a non-starter to try to reduce the content of a post to some kind of numerical proportion, anyway.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
13:12 / 27.01.05
Just let us have our little fun, okay? We're horrible people, and it warms our black souls to see other people make asses of themselves.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:45 / 27.01.05
Our Lady: I've got no problem with laughing at John Byrne and his hilarious right-wing opinions and views. It does get a bit icky at the 'look at the geeks in that sad comic forum' stage, especially when it's coming from a bunch of geeks in another comics forum.

Oh, totally (even though, as I say, I love this thread. I'm a bad person). But would you want to legislate against it?

Why not start a thread about the good stuff Byrne USED to do, and mods can be strict about what constitutes rot in each thread? That'd go some way towards redressing your balance right there.

I mean, in terms of numbers, is there a point at which someone could just say "right, that's enough, now. Stop it" and lock the thread? Cos I'm sure I've seen that tactic used before somewhere...
 
 
Bed Head
14:25 / 27.01.05
I don’t think anyone has suggested it should be locked, deleted, or otherwise cast into oblivion, and some of the defenders of this thread have completely overreacted. There’s just been a polite suggestion that maybe it could be moved to Conversation. As it’s not really about the comic books themselves any more, perhaps some other Barbelith posters – the ones who don’t regularly read comics these days, or usually frequent the comics forum – perhaps they might also want to have a look and a sneer. That's all.

Y’know, kinda like the way the Jack Chick threads don’t go in the Temple. In fact:

Veeeery old thread supposedly looking at Jack Chick’s comics. In Comics.

Recent threads, laughing at/appalled by that nutter Jack Chick. In Conversation.
 
 
_Boboss
14:53 / 27.01.05
jack chick comics get handed out on the street. you have to go into the comic shop to have the first clue who john byrne is.

moving on, did anyone read in the news today that byrne has been confirmed as having committed his trademark form of atrocity 15 times from as early as between 1971 and 74? an official enquiry has confirmed it today, seriously*.




*-ish
 
 
Bed Head
15:09 / 27.01.05
jack chick comics get handed out on the street. you have to go into the comic shop to have the first clue who john byrne is.

Sorry to drag you back when you’re wanting to move along, but is *that* your reason for wanting to keep this thread in here, rather than in Conversation?
 
 
_Boboss
08:02 / 28.01.05
if you like. i could probably come up with others if this is really tearing a hole in your knickers though...?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:28 / 28.01.05
I simply don't understand why it matters if this thread is here - is anyone seriously suggesting it's sullying the forum? Is the level of debate here of such a high standard?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:38 / 28.01.05
I find this thread useful... it's much easier to check links here to find the "interesting" bits than actually ploughing through the forum, which can be like wading neck-deep in sick.
Admittedly, we're not QUITE as "above it all" as I suspect we believe ourselves to be... the Barbelith FF casting thread, while not quite descending into the "latinas and hookers and breasts, oh my!" hell that the JBF's did, did seem at times to revolve around the "hott"ness of actresses who could play Sue, rather than, say, whether they were any good, or would be any good as that character.

Come on, people. A comics legend is disintegrating into witless buffoonery, and we have a ringside seat! Are you seriously telling me that's NOT something the Barbelith comics forum should be interested in?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:44 / 28.01.05
(Apologies for the double post)

On a practical level, starting a separate thread for every "Byrne and Adams have a fight" (DEFINITELY comics forum material, I'd say) or "Byrne makes racist comment- big interwebnet hoo-hah" (see above) WOULD clutter up the forum bigtime.

I'll stop slating him when he stops being a penis.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
12:04 / 28.01.05
I prefer the thread staying in the comics forum. As a huge Avengers West Coast (when USAgent and Hawkey and pale Vision were on the team) fan, I check this thread from time to time to see if Mr. Byrne is going to start writing it again. Thank you.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:41 / 29.01.05
I wouldn't want it moved, I'd just prefer it if the discussion in this thread went back to talking about Byrne rather than the opinions of people on a board he runs. Discussing those would probably be best suited to the Conversation...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:07 / 29.01.05
Yes. Let's not let this thread flow in a natural way, but chop it up so that people can talk about the correct subjects in the correct segments. Because...because. Hmm. Actually let's not bother.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
23:26 / 29.01.05
Stop it! John Byrne is tearing this family apart!
 
 
CameronStewart
01:40 / 30.01.05
Oh

who

FUCKING

CARES??!?!

Like Mr Tricks and the Japanese Ninjas* over in the Ultimates 2 thread, this is an argument that should have had a duration of two posts tops, and now it's completely derailed the thread.

It's here, let it stay here, move on with your lives. Let it go.

*I'm going to form a band just so I can call it that.
 
 
Planet B
19:40 / 31.01.05
Let's get this back on track, shall we?

Byrne's 'ARGH' moment on X-Men when he knew it was over

Hint: It has to do with speed lines.

Sorry it's not as controversially interesting as some other posts, but it is funny to see what a minor thing he sees as being the nail in the coffin for his X-Men run. They're kind of boring over there lately.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:42 / 31.01.05
Oh

who

FUCKING

CARES??!?!


The arrogance of this post astounds me. We're talking about John Byrne, "Cameron". Maybe you haven't heard he is a comic book professional. I don't know you but I'm guessing you're some fanboy who sits at home wiping the milky stains off your mint copies of Seaguy or Invisibles, wishing some day you could meet your hero "Grant" and maybe work in the industry.

+++Newsflash!!+++ Byrne is a pro who gets his drawings published. What are you, some teenager tracing his artwork at home probably and dreaming of having your scrawls in print one day. Ok, well Byrne achieved that. Earth calling Cameron, he writes the highly acclaimed DOOM PATROL comic.

So until you get some artwork published of your own, my advice to you is BUTTON IT and don't badmouth the pros unless you've achieved something in The Industry yourself. Yeah maybe one day you'll have your dream about working with "Grant"! Just make sure your mother doesn't catch you wiping yourself up afterward.

DO THE MATH.

(everyone else, pardon me for "taking out the trash" in this way but some people need a smack down.)
 
 
bio k9
21:32 / 31.01.05
Wow.
 
 
John Octave
21:41 / 31.01.05
Byrne's 'ARGH' moment on X-Men when he knew it was over

I read this too and thought it was pretty funny. I think Byrne's right here, actually. It doesn't make any sense why Colossus would have trouble with a tree stump, and besides that, that's one hellaciously overwritten splash page. I don't know if it's something to quit over, but whatever.

What really got me scratching my head is that it appears that he decided to post this completely out of the blue. I'd understand if somebody said "When did you decide to leave X-Men?" and this is his timely answer, but it appears as though he just suddenly decided to dig this up and air it out after twenty-odd years.

What a fascinating fellow.
 
 
Aertho
21:43 / 31.01.05
Ahh, thread satire...

...only on Barbelith.
 
 
Aertho
21:47 / 31.01.05
Hmmm... my post should go between Bio K9 and Johnny Octave in order to acheive comedic effect.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:47 / 31.01.05


oh shit
 
 
Aertho
21:49 / 31.01.05
this poor thread... we're all trying SO HARD to be funny.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:21 / 01.02.05
I'm going to kill everyone who has posted to this thread. Starting with me.
 
 
Planet B
19:42 / 01.02.05
+++Newsflash!!+++ Byrne is a pro who gets his drawings published. What are you, some teenager tracing his artwork at home probably and dreaming of having your scrawls in print one day. Ok, well Byrne achieved that. Earth calling Cameron, he writes the highly acclaimed DOOM PATROL comic.

thank you for making me look like a crazy person for laughing out loud uncontrollably in the middle of my office.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:57 / 01.02.05
gradually swinging back on er . . . topic.
    "Tom Strong and the rest of the ABC bunch leave me cold for a lot of reasons. First -- and I realize this is purely subjective, but what isn't? -- I find a smugness, a condescension that reads to me as nostalgia being done by someone who is not in the least bit nostalgic. Almost as if Moore sits down to write and flips his brain 180°, so he's not really writing what he feels or what he likes, just the exact opposite of what he would usually write.

    Also, there is the whole pastiche/homage/whatever thing. I find this really annoying. Not just when Moore does it. I can look back on elements of my own work and be annoyed at myself for going down that path. I only did it on rare occasions, tho. Moore has turned it into a career. So much so, that in the post-WATCHMEN era I have trouble calling to mind much that he has done that was not based on someone else's previous work. I am not the most original guy on the block, but at least when I do Superman, I do Superman.

    I suppose a lot of this could simply be the bad taste his earlier work left for me. All that tearing down and "deconstructionism". All that revealing of the flaws and feet of clay, not a bit of which has served the industry in any positive way, and, in fact, has left huge scars across it, like the ones left in the landscape by open pit mining."
 
 
Mike-O
22:15 / 01.02.05
+++Newsflash!!+++ Byrne is a pro who gets his drawings published. What are you, some teenager tracing his artwork at home probably and dreaming of having your scrawls in print one day. Ok, well Byrne achieved that. Earth calling Cameron, he writes the highly acclaimed DOOM PATROL comic.

LMAO!! "Newsflash" buddy, do your fuckin' homework, speaking of "bashing pros"...

And incase you didn't seem to understand Cam's intent (I don't know, but it was BLATANTLY FUCKING OBVIOUS to me), I gather he was commenting on the ridiculousness of debating the validity of a thread that's obviously serving its purpose by entertaining and provoking commentary. You sir, crossed a line by behaving like a bloody 2 year old. And that's an insult to 2 year olds planet wide.

Your facist attitude seems more akin to J.B.'s zombie hordes... consider posting this shit there.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:27 / 01.02.05
um... I think that was his intent. Or are we just gonna use this thread to practice blending in with the JB forum natives in hopes of better infiltrating them?
 
 
CameronStewart
22:35 / 01.02.05
Thanks for the defense Mike-O, but I think kovacs is well aware of who I am - the inclusion of Seaguy in his post should be a tip off.

But yeah, I was suggesting that continuing to argue over whether this thread should stay or go is, well, a bit on the completely and staggeringly pointless side.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
23:40 / 01.02.05
"Watchmen...you may chuckle, JB"

(This is from a thread over there about comics and movies. For the most part, it's just another collection of posts in which John Byrne talks himself in circles. Here's the part that I found interesting/made me want to punch JB in the crotch.)


But the statement "Other than the fact that Spider- Man isn't in it?" is exactly how I feel about your Doom Patrol. You have changed the membership, the uniforms, and the history of the team. Why shouldn't I feel about you what you feel about the producers of the X-Men and Spider-Man movies?

******

If some movie director was hired to make a Doom Patrol movie, and made the same changes I have made working on the comic, I would complain just as loudly as I have complained about the Spider-Man and X-Men movies.

The difference -- and I suspect you already know this -- is that what I am doing in DOOM PATROL is not an "adaptation", which is what movies are supposed to be. What I am doing is the Doom Patrol. The real Doom Patrol. Just as the Superman currently appearing in the comics that bear his name is the real Superman. Just as Wonder Woman is the real Wonder Woman. Just as Batman is the real Batman. All these despite conscious editorial decisions having been made to alter the characters in sometimes dramatic ways.
 
 
Hieronymus
01:03 / 02.02.05
I don't know what all the stink is about. Clearly Mr. Byrne is suffering for his art. A soldier in the fight against those devils in Los Angeles.

John Byrne (bitching idly about the Spiderman films):
But please, go ahead. Give Hollywood your money and encourage them to trash, mock and otherwise ignore the source material. It's only comicbooks, right?


Joe Mayer: I give Hollywood my money because to me they do not trash, mock or otherwise ignore the source material, and that was my point.

John Byrne: And this is why Hollywood wins.
 
 
Never or Now!
03:39 / 02.02.05
To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox; whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its enemies.
 
  

Page: 1 ... 23456(7)89

 
  
Add Your Reply