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Lost - Season 4 (US)

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16:01 / 10.05.08

Yeah, I don't know how they're going to explain the ability to communicate real-time while existing in different times. But. The rocket incident, for example-the rocket was fired before it showed up for anyone anywhere. This guy's body showed up before (this is, of course, relative) he was even killed. Besides, I thought that the rocket appeared to have landed for those on the island before it did for those on the ship, which would at least be more consistent with this, I think. But with dead people existing in some spotty way, and obvious time anomalies, I suppose anything could happen. We'll see how it works out. I like seeing Daniels from the wire as Abaddon again. Maybe he's Jacob. Though, they wouldn't have shown him doing tasks on the ground, he would have puppets. The big reveal on that will probably make it Locke himself or someone like that. I mean, what's up with the Alpert guy asking young John, "which of these do you already own?". Is it reincarnations now? double u tee eff?

16:56 / 10.05.08

If the island can physically move around the globe, that would explain why no one can find it. And perhaps the presence of polar bears also.

17:35 / 10.05.08

Yup. Would also explain the "you'll never find it" line.

17:53 / 10.05.08

When Bent told Locke "you're not like me" I'm wondering if the implication was that Ben thinks Locke's much worse. I'm taking into the account the way the scene was juxtaposed with Ben's apparent conviction that whoever used to lead he Others (I'm thinking Alpert) was responsible for the Dharma massacre. The obvious reading is that Ben was suggesting that Locke is in some way less worthy and less capable, but it's interesting to consider that his comment was contextualized within a sequence where he tacitly praised Locke for the devious way in which he manipulated Hurley.

23:37 / 10.05.08

maybe ths island can be hidden outside of time, or in-between times.

Tsuga, here's Faraday's experiment. from the boat crew's point of view the rocket had arrived in the island [there was kind of tracking device involved], but not for Faraday.

i believe the rocket could have travelled in time to the future while passing the barrier separating the island from the rest of the world, and the doctor's body travelled to the past - after crossing a different point in this hypotetical barrier.

if "destiny's a fickle bitch" then maybe there are no paradoxes involved and the doctor's death couldn't be avoided. that gigantic theory linked here before says that pregnant women die in the island if they were inseminated there because that's time resetting it's course and those babies should never had been conceived. i'm ok with that as far as the show's mythology goes.

[in any case, mom's killing the fetuses due to the super-health provided by the island magnetic powers could also be another theory]

the phone communication was made possible after Charlie turned of the equipment at the underwater station. maybe it wasn't blocking the comms signal at all, but rather keeping them "time-jammed". or the phone itself makes the comm signals travel in time, but that's a longer stretch.

23:52 / 10.05.08

most important of all... who py the pennis over Claire's head?

05:33 / 11.05.08

I'm really loving this season. Each episode has had several great moments; this past week's was no exception. Ongoing mystery with actual revelations coupled with action sequences (I'm STILL waiting for a big Lost action scene*); what's not to love?

Who else wants to see Sayid take on Keamy? And speaking of which, what were those things strapped to Keamy's arms? (I just thought it was all an in-joke to how the actor was dressed in "Smokin' Aces." Speaking of which, the actor playing Keamy is now the third actor to appear in both that film and "Lost," the other two being the eternally-young Other Richard ((actor's name escapes me)) and our boy Jack/Matthew Fox.)

Also, Claire's dead, baby. Pure Sixth Sense territory...which explains Miles' obsession with her, last episode.

*For example, last season, which seemed to promise a Sayid-kills-the-Others sequence when our Iraqi hero so carefully set up a killzone for the Others...only they came in another way and Sun ended up shooting one of them.

06:45 / 12.05.08

Great Green Elbow: Lindelof and Co. have made it quite clear that the people on the show aren't really dead. They're not in purgatory, or heaven, or hell.

09:26 / 12.05.08

Is true

Uatu.is.watching

15:17 / 12.05.08

I really liked the scene where Locke was picking out the items that belonged to him. As he picked the the sand and the compass, Alpert seemed pleased. It seemed like Alpert expected Locke to pick the comic book as well. My read was that Locke realized the comic was in fact "already his", but he picked the knife, because, you know, no one tells him what to do. It was a nice subtle throwback to the scene with the school counselor.

Locke's birth was also a callback to Ben's. Maybe Ben didn't succeed as the leader, or chosen one, or whatever, because he ended up being raised by his biological father, while Locke wasn't. This brings up some interesting questions about the psychic telling Claire that she needs to raise Aaron herself, which seems not to come to pass.

00:41 / 17.05.08

a cool thing is that comic was truly published in 1956 and has a Ditko story. now, why would young Locke already have those things and made the smoke monster drawing? did he use to have visions of the future? is he to become Jacob? does Richard Alpert travel in time?

the body of the freighter's doc travelled to the past! that was great, having time-paradoxes dots connected, they even showed one of the soldiers getting the morse code message. Keamy is a scary bastard, isn't he? he had some creepy scenes in hat ep, like the one with the device being strapped to his arm.

i suppose that a detonator for all the explosives Desmond found in the ship in this week's ep. so that's what maybe will prevent at least Jin and Sun to be rescued. just hope Des won't be blown to pieces [although Michael might].

almost everyone was in this episode and we saw several locations, it embodied the spirit of this faster-paced season. i still can't wrap my mind on how the Oceanic 6 will be rescued. maybe at the end of the 2-hour ep. in 15 days [what's up with that, anyway].

07:20 / 17.05.08

maybe at the end of the 2-hour ep. in 15 days [what's up with that, anyway].

That must be ratings related. They are doing the same thing with Battlestar Galactica (next episode being May 30, 2008).

13:20 / 17.05.08

Apparently they only just finished filming the finale just over a week ago, so I'd expect it's to do with them needing time to assemble it.

00:30 / 18.05.08

I'm still a little confused about the time thing, though ultimately it probably doesn't matter. The body traveled to the past, but the rocket went to the future, didn't it?

Anyway. This latest episode was yet more fast-paced and in that way, satisfying. Only a couple of scenes of portentous gun-raising. This episode mostly just ready-aimed all of the plot guns for the finale "fire!".
I liked the room full of packages marked "C4 Explosives". I think they were Acme brand.

02:47 / 19.05.08

my girlfriend is afraid i'll go a little crazy like Faraday, but i just can't stop thinking about the time difference between the island and the ship:

which one is really in the future and which is in the past? or are they both in the present [hence the superphone being able to do real-time calls] and there's a force field around the island that causes the time difference?

my head is spinning.

05:53 / 19.05.08

I think the island is in some sort of flux between future and past, hence rocket goes into the future and body floats into the past. Where the sat phone calls go seems to be flexible too. Some calls are real time, some go forward, others back. .

I also think this time instability explains continuing the Dharma Initiative food drops to the island. The could have been dropped decades ago.

13:09 / 19.05.08

There was also the real-time conversation on the airplane radio between Boone and someone in Season 1...though now that I think about it, there's no reason the person Boone spoke to couldn't have been in the future. Though for whatever this theory's worth, it seems that any sort of audio transmissions reach the island in real-time (aka the sat phones). Hell, I don't know. I just loved it when Sawyer called Lapidus (the helicopter pilot) "Shaggy."

13:35 / 27.05.08

a group of 5 friends bought MYSTERY TALES #40 for US$ 417 in an auction, believing it served as inspiration for some of LOST's mysteries, and are posting the scans, one page at a time, on a blog.

Keith, like a scientist

13:44 / 27.05.08

I'm starting to think that "Frank Lapidus, Helicopter Pilot" really should be an actual series, like the writers have said as the inspiration for that character. Fahey has done such a great job with him.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

14:27 / 28.05.08

Oh, hey you guys still watch LOST?

I TOTALLY made this in anticipation for the Season Finale.

I know I've been Quel Lurker for a while, but I thought you all might get a kick out of it.

Keith, like a scientist

03:55 / 30.05.08

That season finale was EPIC OMG. That's fucking television.

Um... the mind boggles. Discussion tomorrow, I hope.

13:25 / 30.05.08

I'm sure someone else has suggested it before, but it just occurred to me last night (watching Ben work that machine) that the island could be source of the Atlantis myth. A mysterious, miraculous island that can disappear completely.

I wonder if the island took the people swimming and rafting around it when it left. Or if they're now in some new weird time-effect craziness now.

22:18 / 30.05.08

Or just dead.

LOST! YAY!

MANY MONTHS 'TIL MORE! BOO!

BUT LOST! YAY!

Okay, a small thing, and in reference to my post above, did anyone else get the impression that Ben's repeated references to Locke's leadership skills weren't digs so much as a kind of pseudo-praise?

Who's the least likely to be off the Island? Totally saw that twist coming, but, hey, it was about the emotion this time, not the weird.

04:21 / 31.05.08

oh my, i loved this finale. they really managed to link action in the present to flashforwards, didn't they? spoilers ahead:

my only complaint is that it seems they saved on special fx or didn't have time to do a better cgi job in the scenes at the sea. Sayid checking the leaking fuel in the helicopter was a bit ridiculous.

but other than that, wow. interestingly enough, i found they closed the plot for the season in a very smooth way, even though we still have a lot of the same questions, plus a few others - as what happened to Faraday's boat? will Sawyer now suffer from the time-displacement disease? i don't think he even knew or was able to stay at the 305 mark while swimming back.

what i saw coming: that person finding the Oceanic 6 and Des [and helping him now disappearing from Widmore's sight?], the guy who didn't make it out of the boat, the guy who became leader, the Dharma orientation video, time machine at the Orchid.

what i didn't see coming: which circumstances led to the Oceanic 6 being together, the other guy who didn't make it out of the boat, the girl who seemingly will become a traitor, the identity of the coffin guy - who apparently could come and go as he pleased.

but this revelation was kind of eclipsed by the fact that everybody dead appear as ghosts or something to other people. and maybe in this case can be 'revived' as Jack's father apparently has.

i loved seeing broken, bearded Jack again; hope to see more of him next season. gives a lot of depth to the usually boring character seeing him change in his own major arc. also the archaic\arcane way the island was moved. i was expecting to see some Sleestaks in that tunnel.

10:16 / 31.05.08

And...time-traveling bunnies!!!

11:35 / 31.05.08

I love how they handle the fanservice in this show.

Further to my thoughts above, Ben's apology to Locke was interesting and can be read in a number of, not incompatible, ways.The most straightforward reading is that it's a flat apology for being such a shitbag to Locke while he's been on the Island, but "I'm sorry for making your life so miserable" could refer to both Locke's past - his entire life up to this point! - and potentially his future. Let's face it, being the leader of the Others has brought Ben nothing but severe mental and physical pain, and his reward for all that? Banishment from the Island he clearly loves so much and has devoted his life to protecting. Good luck, John, indeed.

'Course, we now know that Locke pays the ultimate price too, so we do have a rather dark (although still possibly misleading) context in which to view Ben's comments.

Now then, what is next season going to focus on? The thing that's really bugging me is the mechanics of tying in the mainland story to the Island story. Flashbacks won't work unless we move a significant distance into the future, and flashforwards would be tricky although perhaps not impossible. A really interesting route would be to keep the action off the Island for a season, or a significant chunk of a season, which would be a nice way of putting us in the character's shoes - their desire=our desire. I can see lots of problems with that angle, however, so I'm not holding my breath.

What I do expect is that the Oceanic 6's attempt to get back will be Season 5's central arc.

11:59 / 31.05.08

AWESOME finale. neatly tying up loose ends and putting all the pieces in the right place. but then playing us a new card - Jeremy Bentham and what he did for 2-3 months before he 'committed suicide'. And what are the 'bad things' that have happened on the island for the last 3 years?

YAY!!!!

The wait for season 5 is going to kill me...

12:36 / 31.05.08

Couldn't get to sleep last night wondering about those bad things.

Another thing: Ben's line about "silly experiments" suggests that the mysteries of the Island run far deeper than whatever Dharma was up to. Personally I'm wondering who installed the technology (and it clearly is a technology of some sort) to move the Island.

Toes come to mind...

15:26 / 31.05.08

yeah, toes! gimme toes. Black Rockers, maybe? i want to see a flashback with the Black Rock reaching the Island and also Russeau's mission. that weel Ben moved near the incriptions reminded me of an oversized ship helm.

my bet is season 5 will focus on the Oceanic 6 at the time of the current flashforwards as now our present.

the folks back in the Island may be shown in flashbacks [their present is now kind of past for the Oceanics] when Widmore\Dharma maybe strikes again [more is shown about The Others' past] and bearded Jack's future \ preparation to go back will be the main flashforward - also the present in season 6.

18:55 / 31.05.08

I liked the Island's icy, symbol-carved, "engine room". Though it made me scared the Island was atually built by Sleestaks.

Keith, like a scientist

20:57 / 01.06.08

i want to see a flashback with the Black Rock reaching the Island and also Russeau's mission.

They really should do these flashbacks before the show is over. If the suspicions are right about the Others (Black Rock survivors), Richard's flashback should be the crashing landing of the Black Rock.

With both Rousseau and Alex dead, I suppose they would have to do Rousseau's mission from Ben's POV in a flashback.

They are two glaring holes in the history of the island that should be dealt with.

23:27 / 01.06.08

Cuse and Lindelhoff have been talking about a Rousseau flashback since season 2, so it's clearly on the cards. She was killed off because the actress was fed up of being in Hawaii all the time, it wasn't driven by the producers, but she's said she would come back for a guest appearance. Which probably means a flashback (or does it?). I wonder if her flashback episode was one of the things that were cut by the writer's strike.

And the Black Rock flashback has to happen - unless that scene where Widmore bought the diary was there just to fill in that blank. It all depends on whether Ageless Richard and the other "hostiles" are the Black Rock crew, or not. His role has been amped up considerably this season. Wouldn't the Black Rock running aground make a great opening for the next season?

An idea: the orientation video suggested that the island had been moved forward in time, not in space. ut we don't know how far. Is this how the writers are going to make the island-present and the flash-forward present match up?

23:30 / 01.06.08

Oh, and is Emile de Ravine pregnant? She looks sort of rounder in the face, and you never see much of her below the neckline in the post-writers' strike episodes. Would explain her sudden, unexplained departure.

Also, why did she suddenly have an American accent?

00:23 / 02.06.08

Yeah, what's the news on that? Are we supposed to think that she's dead, what with ghostly appearances, etc?
She has a pretty terrible* character, though, maybe she just got really bored of playing her.
*And by terrible I mean marginal. I don't always watch Lost but when I do Claire seems to occupy the periphery.

08:01 / 02.06.08

Fucking part-timer

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