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if somebody started a thread about Grant Morrison in the same style as the threads about the work of Lee Childs, they would not have their joy killed.
Okay.
Well, starting from there, what are the key points of style to be aware of here? specifically, what would make a thread the sort of thread that should find a new website, rather than this one?
I think that might help me to understand what I must have misunderstood before. Perhaps the lesson will be of use to those for whom The Invisibles is a pressing topic of disussion and who wish to be able to do so here without being insulted.
It would certainly have been of use to me to know when I joined that discussing it was okay, and it might help me understand how I got the impression that it wasn't.
You might have noticed the 1900-post long thread about All-Star Superman
forgive me, in my editing I made it appear that I thought the work of mr morrison was the issue. A missing line would make it clear i am only talking about The Invisbles, as would the unedited phrasing of another.
I did not steer clear of expressing an urgent desire to talk about superman, and I suspect that is not a big problem generally. The Invisibles was meant to be the topic of my post and I aplogise for any confusion i may have caused you.
the greyfaces.
Why on earth are you talking about greyfaces? This may seem witty to you(and i'm sure to those who appreciate such things it is a delicious example), but to me it is reminiscent of the kinds of comments that stifled my interest in the book in question.
I must have provoked such a reference, but I don't understand why.
There was even a book-by-book plan to reannnotate the Invisibles, which subsided again not due to greyface aggression but lack of contributors.
Why was there a lack of contributors?
Let's forget the greyfaces you've added for a minute as I don't really see what they add. Perhaps we can add them again later when you've explained their use.
speaking from personal experience, such as it is, I was put off the idea of contributing because some of the other posters made comments that made it feel very much like it would have been an uphill struggle to do so. This is a lot like how I felt about discussing it when I joined.
I would respectfully suggest that you are heroically opposing a totally imaginary greyface offensive.
I'm sorry, but what are you on about? What offensive? I am remarking on a trend I have noticed, and I am doing so in the hopes that it will resonate with some people and be discussed, hopefully resulting in a better understanding of why this website has found it's pools of discussion drying up and becoming old and stale.
If you disagree with my perception, that's fine. If you want to try and make out I have a hero complex that's a bit less so, but still well within acceptable. This other stuff about defending humanity against the greyfaces that you made up... well, that's just irritating.
a.lso, as i said before a hasty edit has rendered a post that misleads. I was not intending to suggest that grant Morrison's Works are off limits, but instead that this one work, The Invisibles, feels difficult to discuss without beinh made to feel unwelcome.
On the other hand, if somebody were to turn up and believe that this was a Lee Child fan site, demand that we all behave as if it were a Lee Child fan site and getting upset and aggressive when we behave in ways of which he or she thinks Lee Child would disappprove... well, that's a bit different, no?
It certainly is a bit different, and in fact is a bit different to what I was asking for. All I was asking for was that if and when my acquaintances' memberships are are approved that we let them discuss the book.
...the inevitable question or two about Grant Morrison.
Admittedly I allowed my frustration to come through some in my poor excuse for levity, but I fail to see where I have asked for acceptance of the kind of behaviour you detail above.
It is probably easier for you to argue against this position I did not take, but I can't imagine it's very rewarding.
I don't think your suggestion - that we should all be nicer to people who want to talk about the Invisibles
Being a prick to the folks who ask those inevitable questinos about grant morrison or the invisbles will not help increase the traffic and active membership of this site. It has undoubtedly helped nobody in the past either, save those who enjoy a good online putdown.
any meaningful part of a plan to revive Barbelith.
Getting new blood in is one thing. How they are treated is another. If people who come here because they respect this community are treated badly becuase they ask a few questions about the invisbles, it will not entice them to stay.
I see understanding Barbelith's strange relationship with the work for which it is named as necessary.
I think rehashing topics that some feel have 'been done' is a necessary part of a community that is attracting a constant stream of new members. A lack of willingness to do so would seem like a symptom of an aging population.
I see it as an issue that needs addressed if we are to gain new blood.
I further believe that your phrasing:
One of them read the invisbles a month ago, though, so there is still a chance to destroy his enthusiasm when he asks the inevitable question or two about Grant Morrison.
Lets try not to, though, yeah?
Is needlessly rude
fair enough. it was intended to be light hearted, but the words can be easily read as rude.
that sort of weary superiority is what they can expect to encounter
Was it weary superiority that made Randy upset before? I'm not sure I understand, but I am willing to learn.
Right now, nobody seems to want to discuss the Invisibles
Well, they might be given pause if they did want to and then read that you feel they should start a site of their own to do so.
not even the people who are seeking to join because it totally blew their minds when they read it last week and want to join so they can discuss it, funnily enough.
So what of the people I have mentioned? Who have been talking about it non stop since I lent it to them and have applied for barbelith membership since?
Did they also explicitly state, as these many people must have done, that they do not wish to discuss The Invisbles?
Are you going by board traffic as an indicator of desired board traffic? Or are you exercising your much vaunted mental mentalism?
If they do want to, they can start a thread, or bump a thread.
of course, as implied by my post when i asked people to allow them to do so without undue aggresion. If they do, can I ask that we are nice to them? I mean, that'd be a good thing to hope for, right?
Oh, and finally;
Oh, don't try to convince us that you're under thirty, you vain darling thing, you.
Whatever floats your flirty boat, I guess. But why would I lie? and why would you make shit up about me?
I'll assume it was intended to be banter from a friend, rather than aggresion from an interlocutor who wishes to put me down. Certainly, I am guilty of trying to be funny and confusing the issue, and levity I have thrown your way has irked you before. I guess that would suggest we never were that good friends, eh? |
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