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Is that it, then?

 
  

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Spatula Clarke
15:26 / 07.04.08
Do it, Haus. I mean, it's not like you can damage the place any more than it already is - the very worst that'll happen is you'll hasten its end.

In my new 'don't give too much of a shit' mode, I'd considered going scorched earth. But then I gave up, what with the not giving too much of a shit.

Fuckus of Nosense should be the first to get thrown overboard, obviously.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:37 / 07.04.08
Okay Haus, given that Fuckus has just requested that we ban him, do you want to email Tom or shall I? I think you're probably more likely to get a response than I am, given my recent comments on the state of the board.

There's precedent for this, btw, in case anybody was wondering - at least one previous occasion when some knobber played the "just ban me already" card and Tom responded with the "okay" card. Can't recall which of our many idiots it was, though. paranoidwriter?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:06 / 07.04.08
Paranoidwriter, yes. It's a difficult one, because generally we have been a bit inconsistent on people asking to be banned. Paranoidwriter was, but then he was doing so in the middle of a thread which was tending towards him being banned anyway, so it was in part context. Sypha Nadon, most notably, demanded to be banned and was told that he had to pluck up the courage to scramble his own password. Looking back, I think that was the wrong decision - people who have a moment of lucidity in which they ask to be banned, but are too combative or compulsive actually to pull the trigger themselves should be treated with compassion and mercy, and have the keys of the car removed from their hands. Too late for this board, perhaps, but hopefully it will inform my behaviour in future social spaces.

If Peter has given you his username and password, though, that's now moot. Unless we are about to see another hole in the system open; we'll see.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:40 / 07.04.08
How about if I just sort of progressively prune? Would anyone, at this point, object? I feel one could make a quiet but pleasant place...

It would be a slower-moving board, but that can work. So I don't see why not.
 
 
Char Aina
15:22 / 08.04.08
I suppose it would depend what the criteria for applying the secateurs are.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:43 / 08.04.08
I wasn't being serious, but OK, let's run with it. Essentially, the criteria would be pissing me off. Or, if you'd rather, disrupting the board, or having indulged in behaviour that should have resulted in banning when we didn't have bans. And perhaps a lucky dip!
 
 
Blake Head
15:57 / 08.04.08
How could it be significantly worse than what we have now?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
17:42 / 08.04.08
You're not going to ban me are you because if I'm for the cut I can start behaving really badly.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
12:03 / 09.04.08
Incidentally isn't the best indicator that this is the end the simple fact that half the conversation moderators have locked themselves out of barbelith permanently but haven't been removed from moderation duty?
 
 
sammyboy
19:20 / 10.04.08
I have only posted here a couple of times in the past few years I have had a login.

Think I started coming here for the discussion about Morrison's New X Men ... which I still enjoy through the white hot room page ..

Once that ended I would pop in occaisonally and would only ever be drawn to the Policy & Help forum ... weird ? I guess I have enjoyed the conversations about what Barbelith is , what can be done and what can't and people's frustrations with that ... you don't get that on a run of the mill board ...

But every time I come back now the board seems to be closer to death ( or inactivity ) ..

I have nothing to add beyond the fact that the constant efforts to stop trolls seemed to stop new blood coming onto the boards and the unique software that runs this board seems to (in conjunction with the membership issue) have inadvertantly killed it ..

Or maybe boards like this can only be finite ... who knows ... I'll be sorry to see it go if it does , as an experiment it is /was interesting ...

Apologies for not adding anything really new to the debate but I just wanted to have say before I can't ..
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
20:12 / 10.04.08
I am concerned that no one who has signed up since 2003 has any knowledge of Knodge and his actions towards barbelith members. If you are a moderator and you do not know the policy concerning posts by Knodge/Knowledge please can you PM a pre-existing moderator who has been around for a while and who you feel most comfortable discussing matters of board policy with.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:36 / 11.04.08
Erm, I'm pretty sure we did that (deleting Knodge-threads). Either that or the Knodge-thread disappeared of its own accord.

What was the problem again?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:50 / 11.04.08
His recent holiday snaps, apparently.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:55 / 11.04.08
A pale rider on a pale horse, etc.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
07:47 / 11.04.08
I don't want someone here to end up in a position where they are harrassed at home because they don't understand how to conceal their identity online. If they engage with the Knowledge that could happen.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:48 / 11.04.08
Ah, fair point. Thought you were referring to mods specifically.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
11:05 / 11.04.08
There's always the worry that someone will see the request and think 'but this guy's only put some photos up' and disagree it. It's important for moderators who don't understand why his posts are deleted regardless of content to contact someone and find out if they are curious. There are too many reasons for the policy to be effectively exercised and too few moderators who are active to operate as we did a few years ago.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:25 / 11.04.08
Link to Knodge FAQ threads y/n?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:32 / 11.04.08
Yeah, I think it's probably for the best. And yeah, I think I was perhaps assuming that everyone knew the same stuff, which is probably not the case.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:12 / 11.04.08
'kin hell. The smell of rot, as always, draws vermin.

Come to piss on the rubble and then claim he knocked the edifice down with his mighty stream, I suppose.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
16:01 / 11.04.08
He's going to haunt this place until it's gone, then he'll probably buy the URL and fill it with pictures of his cock.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:19 / 11.04.08
Strangely, though somewhat aptly, I imagine "little Knodge" is less of a prick.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
18:47 / 11.04.08
Would it tempt fate to say it would bother me less than his ongoing behaviour?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:51 / 11.04.08
I don't really think there's much need to keep on acknowledging his existence, in this thread or on this board, is there? The point's been made, we can link people to it. The policy remains the same as always - mark and delete on sight - and that won't change.

How about we do what he's incapable of, and move on.
 
 
Baroness von Lenska
06:19 / 12.04.08
I just wanted to pop in and basically spit out a quick, "Yeah, what sammyboy said." There's a good deal more sloshing about in the backbrain but frankly at this point I find it difficult to muster up the energy to contribute much. And that is as much affected by my increasingly dim feelings toward online communities in general as it is the present snail's pace of the 'lith.

Chewing on the idea of unpacking that a little, but I'm afraid that, once unwrapped, the ideas would be either too bittersweetly sentimental or too scarily obsessive for most to enjoy. Short version: I've invested a great deal of interest and energy into online communities of astonishing variety, content, sincerity and successfulness, and at this time nearly all of those communities are withering and being replaced with what I feel is the much less effective, more impersonal and yet more invasive, honestly uninspiring MySpace Rentaboard Social Networking (Now In Three Dee!) model. So I spend most of my time online prodding and pruning my pet projects back into a life that only vaguely resembles their former incarnations, and popping back in here with a sigh and a smile whenever a thread I like has been bumped up, whether I've personally added to it or not.

I actually like the slow pace, but eventually I reckon it'll grind to a halt. Quite a shame though. Of the little gardens I've watched and been a part of, I'd rate 'lith as one of the most successful. MetaFilter works somewhat as an Otherlith for myself, but really, there's no other not-space out there that's quite the same.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
11:59 / 12.04.08
Perhaps you would like to quote the particular parts of sammyboy's post that you agree with.
 
 
Baroness von Lenska
04:14 / 13.04.08
Really, it was pretty much the entire post I was hat tipping toward, the post itself being more or less simply a hat tip toward the setting 'lith. That the combined constant efforts to ward off trolls and maintain Barbelith's status as a "safe" space, and the board's unique/frustrating software have sung a perhaps inevitable slow death knell etc. Not awfully constructive, but as SB said,

...I just wanted to have say before I can't .. as an experiment it is /was interesting ...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:48 / 17.04.08
When are we gonna start seeing Barbelith's Greatest Hits collections in shops?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
01:49 / 18.04.08
When's the DVD boxset coming out?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:40 / 18.04.08
There's a copyright issue to do with the original 'All Star Superman' and 'Wifegate' threads, apparently. But hopefully it'll be ironed out at some point.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:46 / 18.04.08
Shit... better get working on those annotations.

If this is really it, shouldn't we fizzle out with a covers-only album, too?
 
 
grant
13:48 / 18.04.08
Archival, unreleased live recordings from 1997, I think.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:20 / 18.04.08
I think I've got the demo version of Wifegate knocking about somewhere. You know, the one where it was George dissing Haus's wife. We ditched it because there wasn't enough cowbell.
 
 
Proinsias
18:34 / 20.04.08
Any chance of the armoury being opened up for all if there's not long left?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
21:35 / 20.04.08
The armoury lives forever. Never doubt the armoury.
 
  

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