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Doctor Who Season 3 - SPOILERS

 
  

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DavidXBrunt
08:16 / 10.05.07
"Well, there's only the spin-of media to say that aren't both the same character..."

Assuming that we're talking about the Meddling Monk here then there's more than spin-off media to say he's not the same character as the Master, though we have to go behind the scenes. The Master was specifically designed in-house so that he was a Beeb character and creator payments were'nt involved in any appearances. If they ever linked the Monk and the Master they'd have to pay Dennis Spooners estate (it was Dennis who wrote The Time Meddler, right?) a huge back fee. If they were the same character there'd have surely been some mention of it somewhere along the lines.

And there's no evidence on screen that the two are the same person, and there'd surely have to have been. Speculation remains just that.
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:03 / 10.05.07
Might be thinking of the War Chief (The War Games, Troughton era) there, there was a lot of speculation that he was an earlier regeneration of the Master.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:04 / 10.05.07
Does anyone think that Marsha's sister already does or will now, post-Lazarus, be working for Mr Saxon? Saxon recognises the Doctor in some way and knows Marsha is travelling with him, I would presume that he's now taking an interest in the rest of the family, what if the Dad's mid-life crisis girlfriend is the anti-Marsha, the Master's companion?
 
 
Triplets
13:40 / 10.05.07
I don't know, is Marsha another one of Martha's sisters?
 
 
DavidXBrunt
22:10 / 10.05.07
Yeah, that's closer to the bone. I think it was intended but later novels went away from that, or at least establoshed seperate origins for The Master and the War Bloke. (I can't remember the names but they were by Gary 'New Series Script Editor' Russell and David A 'Don't mention Deep Space 9' MacIntee wrote them).

The Meddling Monk was the big villain in the New Adventures 30th anniversary arc, appearing in a novel by Paul 'XTNCT' Cornell.
 
 
Lama glama
22:54 / 20.05.07
Very spoilery preview of up-coming episode "Utopia," featuring the return of Captain Jack. It was show on Jonathan Ross last Friday night. Incidentally, that particular edition was the most uncomfortable viewing experience ever thanks to Janice Dickinson.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
03:42 / 21.05.07
Interesting. Torchwood ended with Jack vanishing from inside the HQ, the clip shows him running after the TARDIS. I wonder if it is a minor screw up, or if the two events aren't meant to be the same.
 
 
Lama glama
11:45 / 21.05.07
The video seems to have been removed from Youtube. As far as I know, it's still available at Freema Agyeman's website.
 
 
Peach Pie
18:13 / 21.05.07

Did anyone catch the audio book "Dr Who and the Horror of Glam Rock" (with vocals by Stephen Gateley)?
 
 
Lama glama
19:01 / 21.05.07
Maybe somebody could start a Music&Radio discussion for the Big Finish plays like Glam Rock instead of lumping them in with the season 3 spoiler thread. Not trying to sound snarky, Peach Pie, but discussing them here, as well as trying to do season 3 service could potentially become very confusing and messy.

But yeah, it's a part of the BBC 7 eighth Doctor adventures that aired at the start of the year. They were meant to be a pretty mixed bag, but I've heard good things about Glam Rock. T'was written by Paul Magrs, so it's bound to be a strong entry in the series. I've only heard the first two episodes, but Glam Rock is next on my Big Finish list.
 
 
sleazenation
20:03 / 21.05.07
Ah, the Horror of Glam Rock.

I love the title, but have grave doubts as to whether anything could live up to it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:00 / 22.05.07
Does it end with Marc Bolan sacrificing himself to destroy a sentient Morris Minor by driving it at a tree, expecting the TARDIS to appear in the back seat and save him just in time?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:32 / 26.05.07
The Sun are claiming that Martha will be axed after the end of the series.

But show chiefs think her performance is not as strong as in her earlier episodes.

Considering how terrible the Daleks story was I thought she acquited herself admirably.
 
 
Lama glama
22:16 / 27.05.07
Ah, The Sun- handy to wipe one's arse with in a pinch, but not much good for anything else. I really don't think she'll be let go at the end of the season and while her performance in the Dalek two-parter was a bit generic companion for my tastes, she's been brilliant since The Lazarus Experiment.

The BBC have issued a statement denying the rumour, but they always do that for stuff like this. I'd love to see Freema on-board for at least another season and there are rumours floating about to support this. Reggie Yates, who plays Martha's brother has indicated in interviews that he's looking forward to more screen-time as Leo next year.
 
 
Triplets
00:00 / 28.05.07
I think it's likely we'll have overlapping Doctors and Companions, which is nice as it'd provide a nice sense of continuity/handing-over 'tween Ds and Cs.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
06:59 / 28.05.07
I'd be really dissapointed if this turns out to be true - Freema's performance so far has been absolutely ace, especially given some of the awful scripts she's been working from. I think even as is she's been great, but it would be a really stupid decision to sack her off the show without seeing what she can do with a few more really strong scripts to work from.
 
 
sleazenation
09:47 / 28.05.07
I actually prefer Martha to Rose as a character.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:54 / 28.05.07
Well, I would say that The Sun probably don't have as close a relationship with the BBC as they do with the Government or Fox, so I'd take any 'exclusives' they have with a pinch of salt until I see them confirmed somewhere else.

But here we have yet another episode where Martha is put in a caregiver role with the Doctor. Definitely a theme.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:22 / 31.05.07
The Sun go one better: Doctor Who will end after fourth series.

Boss Russell T. Davies has decided to axe the BBC1 sci-fi drama and concentrate on other projects. He and senior staff have hatched a plot to hand in a group resignation in summer 2008.

Ri-ight. I can see The Sun's headline on Saturday now, 'all surviving cast and crew from Doctor Who will gather together at Glastonbury Tor on midsummer's day 2008 and commit suicide in order to follow the spaceship'.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
07:37 / 31.05.07
One supposes the Sun has the intention of screaming and stamping it's feet a bit about this, and then having a 'Sun Saves Doctor Who' headline when the show isn't cancelled......
 
 
DavidXBrunt
13:55 / 31.05.07
This comes in the wake of The Suns 'DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE GAY FILTH!' story that ran in the wake of a DWm interview with TCs John Barrowman. The following month DWms strapline 'Thrilling adventures in Time and Space' became 'Thrilling adventures filling Space in Tabloids'.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
14:51 / 31.05.07
My god. They still use terms like 'Gay Filth', even in the Sun these days? I don't read it for obvious reasons, and perhaps it's naive of me to be even a little bit shocked by that, but I'm feeling really quite headsick now......
 
 
Lama glama
19:02 / 31.05.07
Just have a bit of a lie down.

While it's distinctly possible that RTD will quit at the end of next year (having already stated that he won't go on to create another Doctor after David Tennant leaves), the show will doubtlessly continue. It's pulling in consistently massive audiences, with figures up on last year's episodes and that whole merchandising arm is gathering money for them at a great speed.

There are two possibilities for new head-writers for the show. One fills me with an unknowable dread: Chris Chibnall. The other is Gareth Roberts.

Both are head writers on the Who spin-offs, both have probably proved themselves as quite successful contributers to the show. I'm not too sure of their executive producerly experience, but it's possible that they'll get the call.

Personally, I'd love to see Steven Moffat being promoted to head-writer/producer, but it's worryingly likely that a lot of these people will move on when RTD does.

The writers for S4 were announced in this month's DWM. I know it's early days yet, but for those interested, it's a fairly promising line-up.
RTD is doing four, plus the Christmas special. Helen Raynor is doing another two-parter. Stephen Greenhorn and Gareth Roberts are returning with episodes and Steven Moffat is doing another two-parter. Tom Macrae is returning after an absence in season 3, which leaves me indifferent, as his cybermen episodes were a bit "meh." In the way of new writers we have the relatively unknown Keith Temple. He has never done anything Who-related before, but has a lot of television experience. Also coming on-board next season is James Moran, who wrote Severance.

Promising bunch of writers for next season, it's just a shame that there's no Paul Cornell, or other writers with Who experience. I would have loved one of the big finish writers to get the call-up, like Joe Lidster or Steve Lyons, but no such luck.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:20 / 31.05.07
Something I'd like to see when RTD leaves would be a split between the big boss executive producer role and that of head writer - I think a lot of the problems which have cropped up with the remarkably talented writer Russell Davies work on the series probably would have been avoided if his boss hadn't essentially been the far less talented producer Russell Davies.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:02 / 03.06.07
Regarding last night episode.

Near the end, when Baines was giving his monologue about how The Doctor was punishing the family, was that just a way for the scene to be explained, or were we meant to think he was talking to someone at some point in the future?

I half expected the final shot to be in the modern day and show a couple of Saxon goons hauling the scarecrow into a creepy warehouse or something.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:07 / 03.06.07
I think that's the Adam factor at work. I would prefer to think he was 'talking' to us, and we won't see him again.
 
 
osymandus
10:52 / 04.06.07
The punishments and they way they were delivered ( or from Adams point of view ) maybe a nice warning to us abot what could very well happen to Saxon.

This is a very differnet Doctor. If Saxon is the Master they outcome for a change may very well not be so pleasnt for him.

If not maybe its to show what the Doctor would do to even his "favourites" if they began interfering where they shouldnt !
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:47 / 05.06.07
I live in LA and am ordering the uk dvds as they come out. I have to say that I LOVE this season, love Martha. I even enjoyed the slapstick and apparently reviled Runaway Bride, althoug it is clearly not a great ep. Am eagerly awaiting v2 with the Dalek tale et alia.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:54 / 05.06.07
Then on behalf of the entire United Kingdom can I apologise for the great sense of disappointment you will shortly be feeling.
 
 
Miss K
05:53 / 05.06.07
Good on you furioso. I loved Runaway Bride as well. It showed that there is a place for some wonderful 30's style screwball comedy among Doctor Who's amazin' flexible formats!

The Dalek episodes are a bit of a muddled, conventional runaround in what is otherwise an EXCEPTIONAL season, but even so, they have strong points, especially the first of the two. But after that, boy, you're in for a treat!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:32 / 09.06.07
Squeeee! Captain Jack is back next week! I just hope it isn't going to be like Order of the Phoenix and they turn out to only meet in the last thirty seconds of the episode.
 
 
Feverfew
19:41 / 09.06.07
Yes, and, apparently, at the end of the universe, unless I'm missing something?

(Insert obligatory Cardiff joke here, if you please.)
 
 
Lama glama
23:00 / 09.06.07
Jack is there from the start of the episode. There are huge rumours doing the rounds that there's going to be a regeneration in this episode. Not the Doctor though, somebody else.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:33 / 11.06.07
What's interesting from both the 'next week' trailer and the clip that was shown on Jonathan Ross is that the Doctor clearly isn't pleased to see Jack. Why? Because he doesn't approve or can't emotionally cope with a former companion chasing him across time? Because whatever is up with Jack post-TardRose-resurrection freaks him the hell out? Or just because he doesn't approve of Jack's involvement with Torchwood? If it's the latter things could get a bit meta, with the Doctor standing in for the internet Who fans - "I hated Torchwood!" "I did my best, Doctor!"
 
 
Lama glama
16:57 / 11.06.07
I don't think it'll go all meta. By all accounts, the production team of both shows are extremely satisfied with how Torchwood turned out, so I'd be surprised to see something like that. What I suspect the Doctor's issue with Jack is, is the fact that he can't die. The Doctor has stated at least once this season (in The Lazarus Experiment) that people shouldn't live forever. Of course, that doesn't explain the Doctor's comments during the CiN special in 2005 about how Jack should stay behind in the future to rebuild the Earth. How was he even aware that Jack was still alive? Was he just lying?

Regardless, I'm sure that the Doctor and Jack will be super chums by the end of the season.
 
  

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