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Doctor Who Season 3 - SPOILERS

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Shiny: Well Over Thirty

18:55 / 25.04.07

Y'Know if the Master is back, it would make a certain amount of sense for him to be somehow connected to Jack and his immortality. After all Jack was bought back and presumably rendered near immortal by crazy Eye of Harmony time energy, and where did we last see the Master? It would make sense to assume he got out somehow while Rose was doing her whole Bad Wolf thing.

penitentvandal

20:01 / 25.04.07

Thank god he didn't come out as Eric Roberts again, then...

Shiny: Well Over Thirty

03:30 / 26.04.07

Well, quite. I could bear everything else about the 96 american Doctor Who, but Eric COCKING Roberts was the one step too far.

DavidXBrunt

10:59 / 26.04.07

Triplets, it's fairly safe to assume that the old guy is rejuvenated at least short time rather than killed, what with the Christmas episodes preview including the actor without the old age make-up. I hope he's back behind the keyboard for next year though, liked both his episodes and they play well with old school fans.

fish confusion errata

11:46 / 26.04.07

I'm an old school fan, and Gatiss's episodes are my least favourite.

Triplets

16:59 / 26.04.07

Triplets, it's fairly safe to assume that the old guy is rejuvenated at least short time rather than killed

I was hinting that the guy is some kind of Timelord and that the machine, rather than rejuvenating, merely kills him, activating his regeneration.

sleazenation

22:56 / 26.04.07

Well I liked Gattis's first effort but wasn't so impressed by his sophomore script...

Triplets

01:21 / 27.04.07

I have to say, though, that VV's speculatron is not only teh best, but also teh best fit for this series.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

10:35 / 27.04.07

What was wrong with the Dickens episode then? I thought it was good clean fun.

fish confusion errata

13:29 / 27.04.07

I had a bad reaction to The Unquiet Dead, because it seemed to be trying to emulate the old series. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally a Big Finish script. Compared to the rest of the season, especially Davies' episodes which are brilliantly weird and all about spectacle, The Unquiet Dead is ordinary, old school Doctor Who, which, for me, is not good enough anymore.

DavidXBrunt

20:16 / 27.04.07

Ironically the only story that is actually a hand over from the old days is RTD's The Long Game, and the only rehashed Big Finish of the series was Rob Shearmans Dalek.

Gatis was handed the bare bones elements of his stories by RTD rather than being a rehash of a Big Finish story.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:43 / 28.04.07

Although as Gatiss is a fan from the old days and wrote a number of 'New'/'Missing' and probably audio adventures too, it wouldn't be surprising for you to get a whiff of the old school about it.

DavidXBrunt

13:25 / 28.04.07

Oh yeah, proper old school fan, but then so was everyone else involved in the first series. Been reading his stuff since his proper first novel Nightshade (let alon ehis pseudo first novel The Vesuvius Club).

Perhaps what I should have said was that his scripts seem to appeal to an old school audience who aren't otherwise interested in the new series. I know a lot of people who are vocal in their dislike of the RTD version of Who but find things to appreciate in Gatis' script.

Elijah, Freelance Rabbi

02:16 / 29.04.07

So tonights second half was pretty OK I think.

I lost some interest around the middle parts. I can't even say why, but it just seemed a bit blah. The ending was nice and punchy. Rather then the Dalek's followers having their baptism in blood it was The Doctor's. I am hoping that the fact that Martha was forced to kill (despite Lazlo's comment) comes up in the future. After the final Dalek escaped (KAHN!!!) I felt the Tennant finally got a proper "Eccelston Moment" as opposed to his usually bouncy "Ahhhh Humans!" moments.

A question regarding the preview for next week, was that last shot the old Time Lord symbol?

Lama glama

11:07 / 29.04.07

It certainly looks like some of the Time Lord symbols that dot the Doctor's TARDIS. I pointed it out in the Runaway Bride thread, but was promptly told that they were just a series of concentric rings- a random symbol representing Lazlabs. However, as the series progresses the Doctor's history seems to be coming up quite a bit. The Lazarus Experiment is about a regenerative process, so it makes sense that the device used is going to be some form of salvaged time lord science.

penitentvandal

20:14 / 29.04.07

Just what is the deal with Vote Saxon? Is it an 'official' site in the same sense as Torchwood was last series? Or is it a fan thing? I can't decide, but am starting to lean toward the latter...

penitentvandal

20:33 / 29.04.07

Ah, wikipedia to the rescue. Fan site.

'Mr Saxon is an anagram of Master No. Six'. Interesting...

Lama glama

22:32 / 29.04.07

Meanwhile, over on Outpost Gallifrey's forums some details have emerged about Stephen Moffat's episode, "Blink."

The only new tidbit, is that it will play with the concepts of time travel while not featuring very much of the Doctor or Martha.

It's also what RTD has described as a haunted house episode.

Lama glama

21:18 / 06.05.07

That trailer eh? Wow. Some interesting things to note: Harold Saxon sporting the latest in LazLabs/Gallifreyan rings, Martha's bedroom (it has the same bright orange curtains) being exploded, the Family of Blood looking for a Time Lord for some reason and I may have to eat my words when it comes to 42, as it looks astonishingly good from what featured in the trailer.

Here's a screenshot of that ring.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:57 / 07.05.07

I've just seen someone post on their blog about the name 'Harold Saxon' and why it might not be a good fit for The Master but someone else entirely. That would explain the name, but not how both The Face of Boe can be right in saying the Doctor isn't alone and the Doctor when he says he's the last of his people...

sleazenation

09:47 / 07.05.07

Well, there's only the spin-of media to say that aren't both the same character...

Evil Scientist

09:51 / 07.05.07

Assuming that the whole "fire, and hate, etc" spiel in the trailer was about Saxon it seems more likely it'll be The Master. As the wiki points out, old Monkey was a buffoon more than a world-ending threat.

Lama glama

12:42 / 07.05.07

Assuming that the whole "fire, and hate, etc" spiel in the trailer was about Saxon it seems more likely it'll be The Master.

I don't think it's the Master being described here, though of course I could be wrong. It's the same voice as the young black-haired male who announces "We are the family of blood," and orders somebody to "Run!" in the trailers. That would place him as a character from "Human Nature," and "The Family of Blood" and I really don't foresee there being any Saxon material in those episodes. Saxon only seems to feature in present-day episodes- "Smith and Jones," "The Lazarus Experiment," "Love and Monsters," and "Captain Jack Harkness," from the end of S1 of Torchwood.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

09:23 / 08.05.07

On seeing 'The Lazarus Experiment'... Actually, now I think about it, it's actually a real problem with the narrative that Mr Saxon has been kept so background so that when, suddenly, a minion is around to deliver a whispered warning to Mrs Martha's-Mum, I was left thinking WTF?! We know so far that he's some sort of elected official that can command the army, so we're guessing that he's either the new PM or someone very senior, but not having any context for him, other than he's keen on living forever too, means that Mrs Martha's-Mum seems annoying in the story for believing some stranger rather than her own daughters.

Mind you, if this means that, by some stroke of Bad Wolf like co-incidence, Martha's family actually have links with Mr Saxon already, so that's why Mrs Martha's-Mum is willing to believe someone who says they work for Mr Saxon and has a warning...

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:33 / 08.05.07

He's an MP in the existing government (probably Defence?) who's running for Prime Minister and has a lot of public support - we've seen VOTE SAXON posters and heard a man on the radio saying "it just goes to show Mr Saxon is right...", so all that can be deduced. Clearly Saxon is the man of the hour for those who have noticed the recent alien incursions and want a "strong" response to them - there are obvious political parallels here. You do have to accept that Martha's mother is someone who thinks Saxon has credibility, but I don't think that's a stretch given the above.

Lama glama

10:13 / 08.05.07

I think it's possible that Saxon is the leader of the opposing party, running against Harriet Jones' party. In some episode of Torchwood, quite possibly Greeks Bearing Gifts, Jack is wary of handing over confidential details of Torchwood to the current PM, so that she can brief the leader of the opposition. So he's definitely in some position of power, so that even Torchwood have to yield to his demands.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:34 / 08.05.07

The leader of the opposition doesn't get to authorise military action, so unless 'The Runaway Bride' contains either a gaff or is meant to be set out of order to the 'present day' stuff this season (which wouldn't be out of the question for the Doctor, but is not the way Doctor Who has ever approached present day storylines), that can't be who Saxon is.

Evil Scientist

12:44 / 08.05.07

Home Secretary maybe. I'm might be channelling Season 1 but he's probably going to gas everyone above him in an "alien terrist attack" so he can ascend to PM (now, a sane person would think they'd change things around post-Slitheen assault so that'd be harder to do, but this is telly-world isn't it).

Regrettable Juvenilia

12:51 / 08.05.07

I think it's more likely that he'll actually be voted in as Prime Minister and that the gassing/TAP-TAP-TAP scene occurs after that. For Saxon to actually win the election on the basis of his literally xenophobic rhetoric serves as a cautionary political allegory, and is also another example of the Doctor's meddling not always having good results - remember, Harriet Jones was supposed to usher in a Golden Age, and the Doctor undermined that in a moment of anger...

penitentvandal

13:05 / 08.05.07

The Golden Age could of course be Harriet's second premiership, after she gets re-elected following the downfall of the dastardly Saxon and some soul-searching on her part...

Lama glama

14:07 / 08.05.07

I think it's more likely that he'll actually be voted in as Prime Minister and that the gassing/TAP-TAP-TAP scene occurs after that.

Why the heck would he gas his entire cabinet though? Surely maintaining the pretense that everyone was operating under a freely chosen government would make it easier for him to carry out his nefarious schemes.

Another theory, is that he didn't gas the cabinet, but rather it was done by some outside group. Torchwood involvement isn't out of the question, as the Doctor and Jack will presumably be re-united in time for the Saxon shenanigans.

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

17:00 / 08.05.07

I nearly jumped off the couch when the doors of the white TARDIS shut.

Lama glama

17:40 / 08.05.07

Aren't those just the interior doors of the Doctor's TARDIS?

sleazenation

17:56 / 08.05.07

They are the interior doors of the doctor's Tardi, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Doctor was not inside the body we saw standing on its deck...

Lama glama

21:41 / 08.05.07

Ooh, interesting theory. Master has body-jumped to the Doctor?

I was thinking that it was simply emo-Doctor after losing somebody very important to him again (possibly the character he grows very close to during Human Nature, or maybe even Martha), similar to how he looked at the end of Doomsday or The Girl in the Fireplace. Now that I look at it again, his face does seem a little more malicious than emotionally pained.

Also, what's behind those doors as they're closing? It looks like something being dragged into a black hole.

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