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Jub
13:19 / 19.07.06
Quite right. Let the dust settle, and if action becomes unavoidable, then you'll have to do it anyway. Why bother till then?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:25 / 19.07.06
Because right now the other party probably thinks that you came on to her boyfriend, who valorously resisted, depending on where she got the story from. If you can cope with that, go with it.
 
 
Triplets
13:32 / 19.07.06
If you were the other woman, would you want a reply?
 
 
Ticker
13:34 / 19.07.06
Well you read the email not us. However it took a lot of guts to send a total stranger a plea for information. To not respond at all...well can you ignore a human in pain because it might inconvenience you to be involved?

I'm sorry that you have been thrown into a mix of drama but you're there. If you don't want to go and meet this person that's one thing, but ignoring them completely?

You mentioned being on the other side of this than you should know that not being treated with respect and not acknowledged as a feeling person being affected by other people's actions is a big chunk of the pain.

In the real world life is messy and we are constantly stepping in other people's dramas.
When we accidently harm another person the decent thing to do is acknowledge it by expressing our regret and sympathy.

I can't tell you how glad I am the other women I had to deal with validated some of what I was perceiving. Was I crazy because I didn't believe what the person I was involved with was saying was the truth? Why was I being put in the position of the bad one because I just wanted to know the truth so I could make informed choices? Was my desire to reach out and say to the other women 'WTF is going on' offensive? (okay I didn't email them I wrangled introductions through mutual friends)

In my case the other women were very glad to get together and discuss the five timing ho-bag. We discovered a lot by comparing notes that helped us understand how it had happened.

While the other woman's desperation might itself be overwhelming to have hurtling at your head, is there something in the email itself that is prompting you to caution?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:37 / 19.07.06
Haus, I can cope with being left out of it. It doesn't make me feel any less awful for whatever the hell has obviously occurred, but at the same time, I want to be left alone. I am already pretty clear that this guy is an asshole and he will be the one left blameless, no matter what I do, I will seen as the homewrecker. Since I have been in this girl's shoes before, nothing I say or do will make any difference. There's only one truth she wants to hear and that's his. Anything I give her will be circumspect. He's here at work today and all I want to do is kick his ass. I won't--obvious related work reasons--but at the same time, I'm feeling this stupid indignation come over me. I don't know what's going on and I feel like I'm being involved for no determined reason.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:52 / 19.07.06
And xk, it is not that I don't want to respond to her--I do--it's just I can't think of anything to say that sounds good enough.

"Yes, I kissed your boyfriend. No, I did not know about you until afterwards, and yes, I asked him if he were seeing someone."

I mean, it would obviously be better worded than that, but everything sounds so shitty.
 
 
Jub
13:59 / 19.07.06
I think you're right. Doesn't really matter about her opinion of you - that won't change anything (unless you know you used to be best mates or somthing) - just concentrate on sorting your own head out, let the couple sort their stuff out, and once it's settled and if you want to - then talk to the idiot boy.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:06 / 19.07.06
I don't want to talk to him. He came up already, purely for work-related reasons, and then tried to say something. My response: "You want to get away from me right now and very quickly."

He went.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
14:06 / 19.07.06
To be frank, I think you should tell her just that & also mention that you don't want anything to do with it as your angry enough that he dragged you into this sorded affair in the first place. Doesn't really matter if she doesn't like it, she probably already knows he's an arsehole. Why would she need verification from you as to what happened if she believed her partner (assuming they've had a conversation about it).
Basically if she doesn't like the truth it's tough shit & unless he's a bloody good liar, it'll be apparant who's got the facts.

Been here before & in my experience it doesn't go away unless you force it to.

I would also suggest telling this idiot what you've done and including in your email to his girlfriend that your going to let him know as your disgusted with his behaviour.

MAKE NO APOLOGIES!
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:08 / 19.07.06
Essentially: "EX-TER-MIN-ATE?!?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:10 / 19.07.06
Kali: You're being involved because you kissed her boyfriend. It's far from ideal, but it's reasonably explicable. I imagine, without reading the email, either that he told her, in which case she is contacting you because she is unsure of the reliability of his account, or she found out from somebody else and does not believe she will get a reliable story from her boyfriend. Without talking to him or her, it's hard to tell which. Or, possibly, she thinks that you are trying to steal her man, and is going to attack you, but it doesn't sound like that kind of an email.

WRT Jub's point. How far can you ignore this? You work with the correspondent of the first part... how large a community do you live in? Do your social circles overlap?
 
 
Jub
14:11 / 19.07.06
... and for what it's worth, sorry it didn't work out for you.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:34 / 19.07.06
I live in a fairly large city. The only problem is that it acts like a small town. You always run into people, you always see people. Mind you, before I started working here, I had never met this boy. Never seen him out--which, again, is surprising--or anything. It wasn't until we became workmates that our social circles started to overlap. And now, if I don't do something, anything, it will continue to overlap. I hang out after work with the other guys and considering he's mates with them as well, it will only be time until there is interaction.

Atlanta pretends to be a big ole city, but in my experience, I have found it's not big enough.
 
 
Ticker
14:52 / 19.07.06
And xk, it is not that I don't want to respond to her--I do--it's just I can't think of anything to say that sounds good enough.

"Yes, I kissed your boyfriend. No, I did not know about you until afterwards, and yes, I asked him if he were seeing someone."

I mean, it would obviously be better worded than that, but everything sounds so shitty.


yup it is shitty but it is also the truth which is what I suspect is what you are being asked for.

Look to your own ethics Kali, you know what you should do.
Also keep in mind that while it is easy to punish the guy in question that may not be where your energy really needs to go.

He has lost the privilage of your friendship obviously, and you have the right to give him a piece of your mind. However do think about pouring your wrath out in a work place situation. While it might feel very cathartic to go all holy hell on him that may not be the best course of action while at the job. At the very least see if you can clock him offsite if need be.

People are complex and often make silly ugly hurtful mistakes. The problem with going atomic is scorched earth is for a very very long time. You're best off not involving everyone in your office (at the job you like) when you rip him a new one.
 
 
Ex
15:05 / 19.07.06
Kali, much sympathy.

For what my tiny opininon is worth, I don't think you have to write something 'good enough'. That is, obviously nothing you say can make the situation palatable. This seems like a guilt hangover from snogging the bloke and I think you shouldn't feel guilty.
If that guilt makes you try to solve the situation now by finding the perfect words (and sorry if I'm over-interpreting your difficulties writing) you'll never finish, because the situation has a big fuck-up in the middle of it. You can be honest and polite and even friendly, but you can't sort it out.

As such, and not knowing what she's asked you for, I think that your summary of "Yes, I kissed your boyfriend." (etc) would be useful and to the point. Except I'd probably say 'I kissed [insert name here]' as you know him primarily as [insert name] rather than her boyfriend, you don't know the precise details of their relationship, and it sounds less eye-poky. Possibly add that you're sorry if this is sad news for her, and you'd understandably prefer not to get further involved particularly as you work with [insert name].

I wouldn't risk a kthxbye but I don't think brevity is your enemy. You've got a minimal emotional relationship with him which you're attempting to sever (wisely), he's got one with her which is going who knows where - I think a long message from you written with a sense of obligation would encourage another (not very rewarding) relationship between you and her. I don't recoil from the idea of taking her out for tea, but I also don't think you need feel bad for keeping it brief.

Of course, you also have the right not to talk about who you've been kissing - it depends whether your sense of solidarity with what you perceive as her situation outweighs your sense of privacy.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:08 / 19.07.06
xk, I feel ignoring him is the best policy, at least it is right now.

I wouldn't do anything stupid like clock him. I just don't want to have anything to do with him. Period.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:21 / 19.07.06
Although she'll probably sky rocket and cut his balls off, you could always include in yr email a link to this thread!

If she wants the truth, it's hear and he may have a job passing the buck.

That's what I'd do but then again I always opt for the gigantic fireworks as opposed to the party for one.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:23 / 19.07.06
Stop poking the American, Harrison. It isn't kind.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:27 / 19.07.06
Sorry Haus but that's not what I'm trying to do. Just offering my advice on the situation and like I tried to say with the fireworks comment, my way is possibly more inflamatory than required.

Think you've totally misread my intentions.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:28 / 19.07.06
I do tend to have a temper but I feel controlling it is the best option. Damn my fiery Mexican heritage...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:29 / 19.07.06
Apologies - a more accurate statement might be "I really don't think that's an awfully good idea, Harrison, even if I think that more people should know the joy of cyberhunk. The bit about wanting to do him bad things in a cemetary, in particular, is perhaps best left to the imaginary friends rather than the co-workers".
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:32 / 19.07.06
Good point.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:34 / 19.07.06
Aside from the boy in question and myself--and apparently, the girlfriend--no one at my workplace knows what occurred that night.

While I may have been three kinds of stupid for letting this happen in the first place, discretion is part of my make-up.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:43 / 19.07.06
Well Kali what you could do is not respond to said email & hope it goe away then if you get another request from her for info you could reply with something along the lines of;
"Yep I kissed yr boyfriend (or whatever you refer to him as) and since I found out about your existence after the incident happened, I have no intention of going anywhere near him again and to be frank I'm quite angry that he didn't mention you when I asked if he was available or not. Messing around with other peoples boyfriends is not my style & I'm hoorified that either of us (you & her) have been put in this situation"

Wouldn't bother trying to burn him alive or anything, but telling it how it is if yr forced is fair play in my opinion.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:44 / 19.07.06
Wow, Harrison, your missive is much more succinct than mine would be.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:46 / 19.07.06
You could also add, "sorry for the bad puntuaction and poor grammar in general but I'm paraphrasing this from a very famous american film star off the internet!"
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
15:50 / 19.07.06
This is why I love Barbelith.

But anyway, I am starting to spend time with a lot of my co-workers and I feel stupid for letting this thing happen and ruin what might have been a pretty cool friendship.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:57 / 19.07.06
I'm drunk now, so I have no idea if this is the same advice I gave before or not. I can barely focus to read. (For some reason, I type fine when drunk).

To use old-stylee C&W terminology, she's been "wronged". However, you weren't the one who "done her wrong". Yeah, email-wise, nothing too involving, but an air-clearing statement of facts from where you're standing. You're not the evil "Other Woman" of legend... you didn't know any of this shit and have become embroiled in a bollocks scenario through no fault of your own, the way you tell it. That should possibly be pointed out.

Oh, and kill him. Kill him HARD. Kill him IN THE FACE. If you think that could be bad for your work situation, then cut your losses and go postal on EVERYONE.

(The last paragraph, I have no idea where it came from. I like it, so I'm leaving it. But it wasn't what I actually clicked on this thread to post at all).
 
 
Spaniel
15:59 / 19.07.06
I actually quite like Harrison's hypothetical email. All that needs to be added is that you want nothing more to do with situation, and him.

Seriously, I'd customize H's template, send it, and move on. I can't work out why you wouldn't want to do that.
 
 
Ticker
16:15 / 19.07.06
For Kali and Stoat:

Kill Them In The Face

May I suggest this track?

click and MP3 Will play
 
 
Ticker
16:19 / 19.07.06
This track is for Haus' Hottie (mp3)
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:59 / 19.07.06
I think I am going to use Harrison's template.

And today has been all about avoiding your least favorite co-worker.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:15 / 19.07.06
And, if you need revenge, you can always make and entry on this site
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:56 / 19.07.06
Yes!!!!! Thanks, pal.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:01 / 19.07.06
Erm, DM, if you don't mind me asking, what first brought that site to your attention?
 
  

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