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The World Cup: J'accuse!

 
  

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Eloi Tsabaoth
15:59 / 02.07.06
Nah, there's one more episode of Doctor Who left.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 02.07.06
Bollocks it did.

FUCKING WIMBLEDON TYRANNY!

Which, interestingly, takes up as much time, monopolises our screens and involves, if anything, an even more ludicrous pursuit, since it is not even sociable. However, since the contestants and the supporters tend to come from middle-class backgrounds rather than working-class backgrounds, I doubt we'll be able to get quite so much of an abreaction from Barbelith, eh?
 
 
Lama glama
16:15 / 02.07.06
I remember back in the day when I was a happy follower of whatever animé was currently doing the rounds and the season finalé of one of them (possibly Digimon *cringe*) was to be shown one Monday afternoon. Then Wimbledon came on and my last episode was nowhere to be seen. Seven years on and I've yet to see it. I despise Wimbledon as much, if possibly more than The World Cup. Plus, we have to endure Wimbledon every year.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
16:19 / 02.07.06
Which, interestingly, takes up as much time, monopolises our screens

I don't recall there being a season of tennis which takes up more and more of the year in the same way as the football season seems to have extended to do. Wimbledon is on every single year though, unlike the mega-spectacle of the World Cup and European Championship.

and involves, if anything, an even more ludicrous pursuit, since it is not even sociable.

An intriguing point - do pubs get filled with raucous tennis fans groaning on every dropped ball and cheering each match point made? Do people gather at each others' homes with alcohol and sit and watch the match?

For that matter, can the Enlgand flags in cars be recycled to support, say, Tim Henman, in some manner?

However, since the contestants and the supporters tend to come from middle-class backgrounds rather than working-class backgrounds, I doubt we'll be able to get quite so much of an abreaction from Barbelith, eh?

You could be right. So who wants to start a "Wimbledon: Je n'aime pas!" thread then? (I don't yet because I can't summon the invective right now, having just returned from Wales, where oddly enough there were no little English flags seen fluttering from cars, and only the odd few Welsh ones - which would probably have been flying anyway)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:23 / 02.07.06
For that matter, can the Enlgand flags in cars be recycled to support, say, Tim Henman, in some manner?


Bit late, I fear.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
16:54 / 02.07.06
Bit late, I fear.

Is he not playing then (I know even less about tennis than football)?
Or have they already been recycled?
 
 
The Falcon
17:18 / 02.07.06
They're all gone except stalwart Scot, Andy 'I'll be supporting whoever plays England in the World Cup' Murray. Even the Canadian.

Murray was bloody good blasting Roddick, mind.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:27 / 02.07.06
Walking the streets of London today, it really did feel as if an oppressive dictatorship had been overthrown by a band of plucky democratic rebels, and that freedom now reigned in England again.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

It's bit like the end of The Invisibles, isn't it?
 
 
sleazenation
18:29 / 02.07.06
Which, interestingly, takes up as much time, monopolises our screens and involves, if anything, an even more ludicrous pursuit, since it is not even sociable. However, since the contestants and the supporters tend to come from middle-class backgrounds rather than working-class backgrounds, I doubt we'll be able to get quite so much of an abreaction from Barbelith, eh?

I'm not sure I follow you Haus - Tennis isn't sociable whereas football is? What are you talking about? What do you mean by 'sociable'?

I find it interesting that you seem to think that the basis of non-enjoyment of a sport is class-based and would like to see you unpack that a bit more.

Personally, I don't have much time for either tennis or football, however saturation coverage of tennis is markedly less than that of football - there isn't really much in the way of a domestic season for a start.
 
 
The Falcon
18:58 / 02.07.06
The only way to acquire saturation coverage of football is by purchasing Sky or Setanta; tennis dominates terrestrial coverage on the BBC for a fortnight.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:12 / 02.07.06
True - football on freeview TV runs to a highlights package on a Saturday night, and the odd televised Champions League match.


I'm not sure I follow you Haus - Tennis isn't sociable whereas football is? What are you talking about? What do you mean by 'sociable'?


Quite simply, that in football you have eleven men on each side, plus substitutes, so they get to hang out. It's a more sociable passtime for thems as play it.
 
 
Ganesh
19:24 / 02.07.06
They get to kiss, too.
 
 
The Falcon
19:34 / 02.07.06
They used to kiss a lot more in the 1980s; proper-like, tongues and that. I remember when Souness took over as manager of Rangers he banned the snogging, and they were only allowed high-fives.
 
 
sleazenation
19:36 / 02.07.06
I'm not sure to what degree that holds up though Haus - Tennis isn't something you can play on your own - you need an opponent - thems what play will likely have a circle of fellow players they play against regularly. Thems what play with a degree of seriousness/comittment will usually have some kind of coach or somesuch, belong to the local club relating to their sport. Yeah, outside of team competitions and the doubles game, there aren't usually many people on the pitch at the same time, but I'm not sure to what extend this bares out the assertion that football is more sociable. Football is a sport that involves larger teams.

As for football saturation - it ain't just matches - highlights are on terrestrial - live coverage is on radio, acres of column inches are devoted to it in newspapers daily, and that is before we get to adverts and advertising hoardings, which frequently feature figures from the world of football, world cup or no.

When comes the world cup, that level of coverage gets cranked up to 11.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:35 / 02.07.06
Well Wimbledon's the one time in the year that tennis is really in the GBP's face. Whereas in terms of exposure, Becks, Roo, Owen-y and all the others are there pretty much constantly, to a level that's only borderline tolerable when there isn't a major tournament happening.

The tennis is a bore and a nuisance, granted, but it's not as if it's something you have to deal with in the pub, for example. It might be on in the background, but there will be no yelling crowds of, round here anyway, largely middle class, urban professional spectators attempting to display an interest in 'the match,' and the beautiful game, so intense that it can only be safely manifested once every four years.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:48 / 02.07.06
So it is about sports followed and participated in by the middle classes being nicer? Thought so. Groovy.
 
 
Ganesh
20:50 / 02.07.06
Isn't Alex saying the opposite? That it's middle-class people in pubs manufacturing an interest in football that's one of the annoying things about the World Cup?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:53 / 02.07.06
Curses - so he is. Ah, well.

Still not quite seeing it, though - news on footballers is kept neatly at the back of newspapers and at the end of news programmes. You might want to skip Five Live between 7:30 and 10pm most weekdays and 3 till 6 at weekends, certainly, as one might skip it during tennis commentary or avoid Radio 4 long wave during the lengthy test match season. Footballers are certainly used in advertisements, as are footballers and James Blunt. I don't see exactly what makes football special.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
08:56 / 03.07.06
I don't see exactly what makes football special.

Ah, but neither do I. That's the point.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:26 / 03.07.06
Aha! Do you SEE?

That's not what he meant, Django, and you know it.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:12 / 03.07.06
J'accuse! J'accuse!

The german team won, and so the german stocks market was supposed to get a boost today. Bah, only + 0.52 %, so much for the football loving stock brokers. They better not lose their nerves should the next match get lost.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:18 / 03.07.06
To paraphrase a very wise man, I actually think football is worse than war, murder and Travis.

Well, okay, maybe not QUITE that bad.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:23 / 03.07.06
I actually now want Germany to win the World Cup, but Germany's stock market to remain hilariously level throughout.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:31 / 03.07.06
I have no problems with level if they win. But pleeeease no more nose diving, even if they only become fourth.

And for stoatie:

oh wow look at you now flowers in the window
it's such a lovely day
and i'm glad you feel the same cos to stand up
out in the crowd
you are one in a million
and i love you so let's watch the flowers grow
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:33 / 03.07.06
Just watch it, sunshine.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:37 / 03.07.06
You think, it might rain on me?
 
 
Quantum
16:18 / 03.07.06
Why?

I heard a radio piece on the stockmarket thing, it's an asymmetric effect in that it only depresses the market if the team loses, the positive effect is negligible. Apparently it's because people expect their team to win, so if they do it's not as big a deal, and because of the knockout- if you win you still have to play more teams, if you lose that's it. So it's all bad news for brokers I'm afraid, unless you buy big after a loss and then wait until the market regains it's strength.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:23 / 03.07.06
Football: scourge of the Travis-loving small investor.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:28 / 03.07.06
You know, Haus, when you put it like that it sounds a lot more appealing...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:38 / 03.07.06
I don't know ... wouldn't shares in some of the big beasts of the UK Premiership be a fairly solid investment? Given the likes of Man U and Arsenal's apparent devotion to ripping the fans off, it might even count as ethical.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:44 / 03.07.06
Manchester United was taken off the stock market last year, AG, and Arsenal's 62,000 shares are traded only very infrequently and not on any of the standard exchanges. Generally, there are better investments than football clubs - those who hold shares usually do so to support the club rather than in the expectation of vast profits.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
17:29 / 03.07.06
That's not what he meant, Django, and you know it.

Fair enough - I'm sure Haus didn't mean what I mean in echoing that statement, no. I do stand by not seeing what makes football so special that it deserves the saturation coverage and depth of promotion, tie-ins, etc. that it's been getting though.

Along with all the other things that aren't that special which get a large amount of attention which impinge on the cultural landscape and can be somewhat difficult to avoid as a consequence: Travis, Big Brother, celebrities, tennis, that sort of thing. It's just there's been rather a lot of the football recently.
 
 
Lama glama
18:17 / 03.07.06
Is nothing sacred?

I know which side I'll choose. The side of "please, fuck off football."
 
 
Quantum
18:46 / 03.07.06
At least the Cybermen have feet, that Dalek's doing a Diego the cheating alien swine!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:16 / 03.07.06
What, you mean The Hand of Davros? Dirty metal bastard!
 
  

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