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Rape accusation against Duke lacrosse team

 
  

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Disco is My Class War
12:08 / 20.04.06
we were looking at the victim in a far more sympathatic light

Um, and why wouldn't you want to regard the alleged victim in a more sympathetic light, unless you were intending to disbelieve her?

And actually, from memory, there was physical evidence of sexual assault -- so it's not particularly 'alleged' at all. The whole DNA saga was not about whether the assault took place, but to identify the perpetrators.

Talking about this is beginning to make me feel distinctly uncomfortable and liable to blow a fuse, so maybe I'll bow out now before it happens.
 
 
Slim
12:33 / 20.04.06
DEMAND FOR DUKE LACROSSE GEAR SOARS

In the wake of publicity generated by the sexual assault scandal surrounding the Duke men's lacrosse team, sales of merchandise bearing the "Duke lacrosse" name and logo have skyrocketed.

"Historically, lacrosse has been one of our three or four best-selling sports," said Tom Craig, general manager of retail stores at the Durham, N.C., school. "But over the last month, sales have increased to three or four times our normal rate."...

Craig said the items are generic in that they aren't identified as men's or women's lacrosse, so there was never a discussion with university officials about the possibility of stopping sales after news of the scandal broke. Duke's women's lacrosse team is ranked No. 1 in the country....

David Miklofsky, a 22-year-old from Tucson, Ariz., purchased a Duke lacrosse T-shirt on eBay for $16.49.

"What if Duke doesn't have a men's lacrosse team anymore?" Miklofsky asked. "Either the value of the shirt will be increased based on not having a program or, the more likely outcome is that there won't be a demand for an odd item such as this."
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:22 / 20.04.06
"It doesn't mean nothing happened. It just means nothing was left behind," he said, noting that is common in sexual assault cases. Further DNA testing could provide more leads in the investigation, he said.

See, this is where I get confused. Why take DNA from possible suspects when "nothing was left behind" to test against? AS I said, my knowledge of criminal sciences is minor, but as I understand it you need an unidentified subjects DNA, then you compare that to your 46 samples and hopefully find a match.

I know that DNA is not the only evidence they would have, or else people would not have been arrested, I just want to know what the point of DNA testing is if there is no DNA to compare your suspects too.
 
 
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19:27 / 20.04.06
(Copy-pasting this in its entirety because it seems to be an email newsletter, so I haven't found a central web posting.)

Privelege [sic] Meets Protest at Duke
By Kevin Prosen and Dave Zirin
In Durham North Carolina, a scant three miles separate Duke from historically black North Carolina Central University (NCCU), but the divide more resembles a canyon. The seismic shock of the recent and now notorious rape charges levied against the Duke Lacrosse team has upturned this complex cultural cocktail of a city, occupied by an aloof and narcissistic private school catering mainly to wealthy students rarely seen outside the gothic cloister of their campus. Tuition at Duke is $43,000 per year, more than four times the cost of NCCU and about $3,000 more than the median joint family income in Durham.

The case in question is by now widely known; Lacrosse players at an elite campus hired two young African-American women as exotic dancers, one a student at NCCU. While details aren't yet clear, the woman has injuries consistent with being raped and sodomized. Lawyers for the team have gone on a remorseless counter-offensive. A new well-heeled booster club called the Committee for Fairness to Duke Families hired the ultimate authority in smearing women who "cry rape: Bill Clinton,s former attorney Bob Bennett. Bennett has already begun, saying, "A lot of innocent young people and the families are being hurt, and unfortunately this situation is being abused by people with separate agendas. It is grossly unfair, and cool heads must prevail."

Bennett and his team have also released personal details about the assault victim. This gets the spotlight off the confirmed squalidness of the case. 911 calls report racist epithets being screamed by men in the party house. Ryan McFayden, a sophomore on the Lacrosse squad, sent an e-mail dated the night of the party describing in morbid detail his fantasy of torturing the exotic dancers, saying, "I plan on killing the bitches as soon as they walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off while cumming in my Duke issue spandex." The same McFayden had the unholy arrogance to show up at the Take Back the Night Rally on campus and while sexual assault survivors gathered in a circle, he stood on the sidelines giving interviews with the Chronicle, Duke's odious student paper. The racial climate on campus is utterly appalling and this isn,t isolated in the world of Lacrosse. Others on campus have noted parties with vile themes, like the "Viva Mexico" bash where students handed out "Green Cards" for invitations. Danielle Terrazas Williams, a grad student at Duke, told the Independent, a local weekly "This [the rape] is not a different experience for us [African-Americans] here at Duke University. We go to class with racist classmates, we go to gym with people who are racists. That's not special for us." Commenting on the persistent sexual harassment faced by black women at Duke, Williams continued, "[it's] as if they're re-enacting a rap video or something. As if we're there to be their video ho

Many students, at least the ones that speak from the conservative Chronicle's pulpit, don't seem to grasp what the fuss is about. A screed by Duke junior Stephen Miller is typical: "we are Durham's main attraction. Every time we set foot off-campus, we're actually leaving the best thing the city has to offer-and in turn, entering some of the most violent neighborhoods in the state. Duke is Durham's lifeblood, plain and simple. So if we want to stay on campus or to limit our interaction with Durhamthen we have nothing to apologize for. If anything, the insistence on interacting with Durham locals is condescending to the town residents. Durham isn't a petting zoo. The residents won't get lonely or irritable if we don't play with them." Some have used the term "lynch mob" to describe the reaction from the Durham community to the alleged rape, a response that has included vigils, noisy early morning protests, and sit-ins on campus by outraged and offended students of both Duke and NCCU. These hardly resemble the actual lynch mobs that lurked in the Carolina landscape not so long ago.

Clearly a little historical perspective is in order. Durham was a hub of civil rights activism in the South, led by poor blacks in the city as well as students at North Carolina College (renamed North Carolina Central University in 1969). When the sit-ins of 1960 were sparked in nearby Greensboro, Durham was one of the first cities in the country to join the movement. Civil rights leaders like Howard Fuller and Ann Atwater figure prominently in the city's history.

Duke did not admit its first black student until 1961, two years after the first desegregated school in Durham and seven years after Brown v. Board of Education. In 1967 the Afro-American Society at Duke occupied the Allen Administration Building after negotiations with the school administration to improve the climate for blacks on campus led nowhere. Their statement explained: "We seized the building because we have been negotiating with Duke administration and faculty concerning different issues that affect black students for 2 1/2 years and we have no meaningful results. We have exhausted the so-called 'proper' channels." Progressive white students played a positive role, holding off the police in defense of the black students inside. The Allen Building occupation led directly to the founding of Malcolm X Liberation University, which sought to provide, in the words of its founders, "a real alternative for black people seeking liberation from the misconception of an institutionalized racist education." Professors were recruited largely from NCCU, as well as from the non-academic activist milieu in town. In an ultimate rejection of Duke's aloof stance toward the city, they proclaimed "The accreditation for the university will be granted by the Black community."

The student press seemed a bit more swept up back then. Reading old issues of the Chronicle feels more like finding a yellowed copy of Ramparts than the servile stuff served up campus papers these days. The central focus of the paper seemed to be Black Power, the anti-war movement, "vanguard student action," and legalizing marijuana. An editorial on the '69 Allen Building occupation read: "The police were nothing more than robots; they performed an inhuman act at the bidding of the administration. The administration took this action against students who are trying to create a more human place for themselves amidst the great machinery of this university...The administration failed Duke's black students, and these students then took a justified action to correct this failure and handled themselves with dignity."

The campus press may have changed but the fights of the sixties are hardly over. Activists on both campuses that were separate just a few weeks ago have begun to unite against the town,s class divide and racist bigotry. African-American students at Duke occupied the Allen building again two weeks ago. A large and inspiring vigil was held at the NCCU campus last week, and activists have continued to put pressure on. The solidarity built between activists on both campuses and in the city is breaking down the walls meant to keep them apart. The Lacrosse legal team has called on the woman to drop all charges "so the community can heal.” Durham will only heal if its proud tradition can be recalled in the name of justice.


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Triumvir
19:45 / 20.04.06
Mister Disco, I'm very sorry that you no longer feel comfortable in this thread, but:

Branding the members of the Duke lacrosse team as pigs and monsters because they might have raped the woman is simply unfair. Even if the evidence was conclusive that she was raped, the DNA tests came up with nothing against any of the players. We must look at the perspectives of the Lacrosse players if we wish justice to be done in this case.
 
 
ibis the being
19:57 / 20.04.06
I'd like to respond to alas's post, and I hope to in the near future, but I'm still formulating my thoughts on it.

Just thought I'd pop in and post a link to an NPR broadcast I heard today about issues related to the Duke rape case, including class and privelege and the culture of college athletics. One of the points mentioned were that among college students, there are proportionally more sexual assaults within athletic departments than the rest of the school. Also that such sexual violence cases seem to be almost exclusively limited to those sports that are all male, as opposed to coed sports like track, swimming, etc., suggesting that when male and female athletes train and compete together there may be more of a culture of respect for women than when the men are more isolated.
 
 
Triumvir
22:01 / 20.04.06
Ibis, may I offer a different interpretation of those facts? In my experience, it has been the nature of those sports, rather than the fact that they are co-ed, that produces less of a gung-ho attitude towards women among the players. Sports with co-ed teams, such as Swimming and Track are indirectly competitive. You do your event, and your time is compared with the scores of others. You aren't 'playing against' the opponents. Sports such as lacrosse however, are directly competitive, with players facing off directly against the opposing team. It is this more competitive environment, I think, that atracts men who are more testosterone-fueled and aggressive, and more likely to objectify and disregard the oppinions of women, than other, indirectly competitive sports.
 
 
ibis the being
22:06 / 20.04.06
That's a good point, Triumvir. I not so much making the argument about coed sports as describing something that was said on the program by a Duke swim team alum... you're right to qualify it, though I did like her suggestion that if women were more involved with all-men's teams (in a managerial, coaching, or training position(s)) you might see a less permissive attitude of misogyny & sexism in those teams.
 
 
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22:33 / 20.04.06
Triumvir: Mister Disco has not said that the Lacrosse players are pigs and monsters; he has said that more sympathy should be shown to a rape victim. Feel free to disagree with him about that but don't mischaracterize his argument.
 
 
*
22:41 / 20.04.06
Even if the victim is mistaken about who raped her, rape took place, and she deserves not just sympathy for that but respect for coming forward. Even if the victim is mistaken about who raped her, her rapists have committed a foul and reprehensible act that I take extraordinarily seriously. Right now, suspicion rests on some of these lacrosse players; if they turn out to be guilty, then yes, I'll agree that they are the same people that I want to brand pigs and monsters. As of right now they exist in a quantum probability wave in my brain— simultaneously human beings who have committed a monstrous act which must be thoroughly condemned, and human beings who are also victims of a misunderstanding which may nonetheless ruin their lives.

But people SHOULD be absolutely furious that this rape has occurred, whoever did it, and your reply to Mister Disco makes it seem like you don't think his anger is okay.
 
 
Triumvir
02:32 / 21.04.06
Ibis: Thats true, from pre-feminist times through to early feminists, such as Edith Wharton, and more recent feminists, it has been believed that women in a non-threatening authority position temper the aggressive behavior of men.
 
 
Triumvir
02:36 / 21.04.06
(id)entity: (sorry bout the double post) I'm not saing that we shouldn't give the victim all the sympathy she deserves, but also saying, that those under question deserve to be looked at in a slightly sympathetic light -- they aren't guilty until proved innocent.
 
 
*
05:48 / 21.04.06
There's a difference between suspending judgment and sympathy. If they are guilty, they get no sympathy from me, just like if they are innocent, they get no anger from me*. As of right now, I can at best give them conditional sympathy and conditional anger, or else I can withhold both, from a rational perspective. But I can't always refrain from expressing my outrage that this happened, or that whoever did it has committed something monstrous, nor should you expect me to.

I am angry at rapists. Rapists, whoever they are, get none of my sympathy. They and these lacrosse players may or may not overlap. When I say "They have done something monstrous" then, I may or may not be referring to these college athletes; I am referring to the persons whose identity has not yet been proven in court who raped this woman. If I am lazy enough to assume that these two groups overlap, certainly, remind me of that, but don't invalidate my anger about this crime while you're doing it. I don't appreciate it, and I doubt Mister Disco appreciates it either.

(*I do reserve the right to be both sympathetic about the misunderstanding and royally ticked off about the content of that email, if in fact one of the accused wrote it.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:54 / 21.04.06
They are not guilty, but they are under susipicion until no longer under suspicion. As such, I think we can do an if/then: if they are cleared, then we can feel unalloyed sympathy for thhem for having gone through the process of suspicion. If they are found guilty, then we can not feel sympathy for them for having gone through the same process - along those lines.

Having said which, and having read id's quoted article, I don't have a huge problem with calling the person who sent that email a pig.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:35 / 21.04.06
On the topic of that email, I am confused as to the date. Early reports said that it was sent 2 days or so after the attack, but one of the more recent articles says it was sent the day of the attack, before the party.

If the latter was true, this would suggest premeditation, which would be pretty damning to the defense.

In either case I wouldn't mind slapping the writer around with a rubber hose for a few hours.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:28 / 21.04.06
In the wake of publicity generated by the sexual assault scandal surrounding the Duke men's lacrosse team, sales of merchandise bearing the "Duke lacrosse" name and logo have skyrocketed.

Okay, how fucked up is that? At best it could be seen as a misguided display of solidarity, with these little turds* being seen as being falsely accused--which surely ought to be reserved until after a future Not Guilty. At worst, it's a sad attempt to look 'edgy': "Waheeey, look at meee, I might be a rapist, me! Woooh!"

Just when I thought I couldn't get anymore disgusted with the way people are responding to this case, humanity demonstrates another new low. Wonder if they'd cheerfully wear a T-shirt implying their involvment in the Natalee Holloway case?



*And yeah, I know that no-one's been found guilty of rape yet, blah blah blah, but I feel quite happy in describing these young men thusly based purely on the actions that have already been substantiated.
 
 
matthew.
16:45 / 21.04.06
Well. That genius of right-wing political theory and staunch supporter of the ever-unbiased O'Reilly Factor, Ann Coulter has descended from her heavenly throne to grace us with the judgement that it was the woman's fault. Read it here.

Some quotes for your perusal.
you can severely reduce your chances of being raped if you do not go to strange men's houses and take your clothes off for money.

It shouldn't be necessary to point out that girls shouldn't be bar-hopping alone or taking their clothes off in front of strangers, and that young men shouldn't be hiring strippers.

The liberal charge of "hypocrisy" has so permeated the public consciousness that no one is willing to condemn any behavior anymore, no matter how seedy. The unstated rule is: If you've done it, you can't ever criticize it
and here is the logical outcome of that idea:
If you've ever forgotten to fill up your car and run out of gas, you must forevermore defend a person's right to ignore the gas gauge
Rrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiight.

And here's the best part. In an article about the Duke event, Coulter decides to take a dump on Islam:
The religion of peace's answer is: I've just beheaded an innocent man — I'm off to meet Allah!
And there's more to that "joke," as she also shits on the Jewish tradition. Thanks.

May I just say this once?
...
Fuck you, Ann Coulter.
 
 
ibis the being
18:57 / 21.04.06
Thanks, alas, for posting the Gaitskill piece. I thought it provided a well-reasonsed counterpoint to the "Ladies You Should Know Better" and now the Ann Coulter (totally unsurprising) positions.

It assumes that all college girls have had the same life experiences as Paglia, and have come to the same conclusions about them. - Gaitskill

Maybe I'm not fully comprehending her point, but if I could summarize I think she's criticizing more experienced women (with certain interpretations of those experiences) for judging the more naive as idiots. I agree with that, but I think that in fact it may be more common for people to judge others in situations they haven't experienced, not only something like going to a frat party (which, hello, how many millions of women have done that and not been raped?) but for living alone, for living in cities, for living in certain areas of certain cities, etc. Someone who's never left their rural hometown might, for example, deem me completely insane & stupid for living alone in an urban area (as I once did) without carrying a can of mace around. However, my experience has been that living in an urban area is safe, I actually felt quite reassured by having so many people around me, and I have felt much more vulnerable staying alone out in the country where no one was around for miles and a coyote might eat my dog (while my neighbors out there probably felt perfectly safe).

In the case of the Duke rape (if I can just use that shorthand), I can't remember who exactly made the crack about street-wise strippers being a myth... but who's to say that this girl's experience hasn't been that men have always been respectful of her at her job until now? She brought a girlfriend/coworker and was not totally alone, and perhaps in the past that was sufficient protection. I have friends who've been to strip clubs a number of times and claim that at least in the ones they've been to the rules are always strictly adhered to with very few problems. It's far from ridiculous to assume that heterosexual men are able to exercise self-control and still behave like human beings in the presence of naked or nearly naked women, and to assume otherwise demeans men as much as women.

There's also a signficant ignorance of the concept of necessity in a position like Coulter's. Some would say (using myself as an example again) I'm a total idiot for not having any health insurance, but I can't afford health insurance - my financial situation necessitates that I go without. Or to use another example, I may have been an idiot to drive a van with a severely rusted U-joint as I once did - but I had no other way to get to work. The woman in the Duke rape case was probably (or possibly, if you prefer) earning her living and paying for college by stripping... and I'm sure she could have gotten a 'safer' job at a fast food joint, but that would be far less likely to cover her expenses than stripping would. She may have seen stripping as a necessary choice for her financial situation and there's no way for any of us to judge whether that was a right or wrong or good or bad choice - it's her life.

There's something undeniably gender-based about the whole blame-the-victim attitude espoused by Coulter and others. When a man is mugged and beaten by strangers on the street(as my brother once was), no one cries out in protest that he was an idiot for walking around with a wallet in his pocket after dark.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:45 / 21.04.06
It's far from ridiculous to assume that heterosexual men are able to exercise self-control and still behave like human beings in the presence of naked or nearly naked women, and to assume otherwise demeans men as much as women.

Well yes. I'm a heterosexual male, and I find not raping people incredibly easy. I've been doing it for many years, and intend to keep up the practice for the rest of my life. Put more seriously, attitudes like that do demean both men and women- they imply women are stupid for putting themselves in such a position, and men are dumb animals led purely by testosterone who can't help themselves. Both kind of forget the "human beings" part of the equation.

mattvara- Coulter frightens me for many reasons... the main one being that I see her as Melanie Phillips but with guns. In Ms Phillips' defence, she doesn't have guns. That's about it, really, as far as the defence goes.
 
 
Ganesh
23:59 / 21.04.06
Ganesh, yes, maybe there should be an 'allegedly' in there somewhere. However my point still stands, which is that...

No quibbling with your point, Disco. Merely flagging up the need for the occasional 'allegedly'.
 
 
Ganesh
01:20 / 22.04.06
And actually, from memory, there was physical evidence of sexual assault -- so it's not particularly 'alleged' at all. The whole DNA saga was not about whether the assault took place, but to identify the perpetrators.

Fair enough, so long as when you say, "some guys who thought it was okay to have sex with the stripper they hired without asking... [who...] raped her" you're not talking about the lacrosse team or specifying any "guys" in particular. Unless I've missed additional evidence linking one or more team member to the sexual assault (which is perfectly possible).
 
 
Nik
09:08 / 22.04.06
Ryan McFayden, a sophomore on the Lacrosse squad, sent an e-mail dated the night of the party describing in morbid detail his fantasy of torturing the exotic dancers, saying, "I plan on killing the bitches as soon as they walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off while cumming in my Duke issue spandex."

The email was not necessarily "describing his fantasy," it was paraphrasing from a movie. I think it's from American Psycho, which one student said was a "cult favorite" among the players. It's still very sick, but it probably would have been taken differently by the recipients who all saw the same movie than it is taken by the general public reading it without that context. Still disgusting and certainly not the sort of thing you write in relation to real life people, even as a "joke."
 
 
Nik
09:23 / 22.04.06
Camille Paglia, author of Sexual Personae, has stated repeatedly that any girl who goes alone into a frat house and proceeds to tank up is cruising for a gang bang, and if she doesn't know that, well, then she's "an idiot."

How many men here have been drunk at a frat house (or similar situation) and therefore participated in a gang rape? I'm sorry, but being drunk doesn't cause ordinary men to rape. Now, there is a mob mentality that is sometimes an element in gang rapes, but rape is not about sex, it's about power and control.

Further, even if a victim is naive or an "idiot" it doesn't lessen the crime.

In one article it says she had worked for an escort service for only 2 months, this was actually her first job dancing at a private party, she thought it was a bachelor party for about 6 men, and she wasn't alone she was with another female. If any of that is true, she doesn't sound like she had a lot of experience in this sort of thing and may have been mislead as to what she'd be walking in to. The players allegedly used false names to order the strippers.

I also heard that they had requested white dancers and were upset when the black women showed up. That was from a student at the college so I can't confirm that officially, but it fits if there were racial slurs yelled and the women were in fear because of the way they were treated, as the men may have been angry when they arrived. It also fits with the player saying he wanted his money back. If they specifically requested black dancers it would be kind of odd to yell racial things at them when they got there.

I guess my opinion about the whole thing is; a rape victims case shouldn't be judged as any better or worse whether she's a nun or a stripper - there's no need to make distinctions about the moral worth of a person based on there job/social status/whatever.

I agree. I think some people make a distinction that people put themselves in dangerous situations (regardless of if they are a nun or a stripper) and should take precautions. For example, if you are in a bar in a bad neighborhood and wave a wad of money around and then are mugged as you leave the bar, you didn't 'deserve' to be mugged any more than the next guy but people think you shouldn't have been terribly surprised. I don't apply this simplistic concept to something as violent and invasive and deeply personal as rape, myself. In a bar in a bad neighborhood you may expect that some of the patrons may be muggers. You never 'expect' that some of the men at a party may be rapists. I do absolutely think women should take precautions and I advise them too, but how a woman is dressed or if they are dancing, etc., is not a factor in a criminal rape (although it is in a civil trial).

I think a lack of DNA evidence is different from negative matching DNA evidence. I don't know a ton about the science side of the legal system besides what I see on CSI, but given that the prosecution must have had SOMETHING to test the teams DNA against, and the fact that it didn't match, would seem to be pretty damaging to a case they are trying to build.


First of all, don't believe anything on CSI! lol. From what I have gathered from reports, the DNA was not compared to anything, which makes it less valuable as "proof" of anything. If DNA was found on her body and it did not match the player's DNA, that would be a case for innocence as the DNA on her body would allegedly belong to the guilty party. What I have read (thus far) is that no DNA was on her body, so there's no match but there's also no eliminator.

If there was a broomstick or other objects involved, that is one thing that could account for a rape with no DNA. I had also read that there was virtually no DNA in the bathroom at all (except on one towel), which is odd -- but there was also a 2 day lapse before the room was searched. It was probably cleaned in between. (Not necessarily to wipe away evidence, but because it wouldn't be unusual to clean a bathroom after a party.)
 
 
Cherielabombe
07:58 / 23.04.06
Further, how many of us have been drunk at a frat house or someplace similar and NOT been gang raped? Why is pre-supposed that a group of drunk men together will not be able to "control themselves" if a women (clothed or unclothed) is around - and thus it's the woman's fault?

One thing I've found interesting in the reporting of this case is that it seems the slant that many of the news articles are taking. Take this one from Garden City News:

Defense attorneys said they plan to reveal evidence that proves both men are innocent and were not at the scene during the alleged half-hour assault. Media reports Thursday said that time-stamped digital photos exist which show that the victim did not appear to be distraught when she left the house that night. According to those reports, neither suspect was seen in any of the photographs.

DNA samples were taken from all but one member of the team and, according to defense attorneys, none of the players' genetic material was found on the dancer. Additionally, Seligmann's attorney said that his client has receipts showing he was elsewhere during the attack.


The article mentions nothing about the email, or the fact that the accuser had injuries consistent with sexual assault.

I've read similar articles elsewhere. It seems to me that many of the news outlets reporting this issue have already made their minds up as to who's guilty.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
10:38 / 23.04.06
Camille Paglia, author of Sexual Personae, has stated repeatedly that any girl who goes alone into a frat house and proceeds to tank up is cruising for a gang bang, and if she doesn't know that, well, then she's "an idiot."


Furthermore, to other comments about this - Paglia is a fucking loon.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:38 / 01.05.06
< Gasp! > The woman at the centre of this case filed a rape report 10 years ago but didn't give the police any evidence.

It's all the woman's fault. And feminists too.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:04 / 01.05.06
The article mentions nothing about the email, or the fact that the accuser had injuries consistent with sexual assault.

I could be wrong, but I don't think either of the people who have been arrested were the email author, so it does not smell like a coverup for it not to be mentioned in that article.

Here is the article about the defense evidence that the 2 arrested players were not at the scene, with cab driver quotes
HERE
 
 
Triumvir
01:50 / 02.05.06
Lady with Flowers: I don't know what you're implying with the first article. Are you saying that it provides evidence that the woman is untrustworthy? That the media is out to tar her case/reputation? What? And the other article has already posted in this thread.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:46 / 02.05.06
Nope, the first article isan example of what right-wingers who are following this case are pointing to as though it somehow backs up their case and destroys this woman's credibility. Of course they assume that she didn't follow it up ten years ago because she was making a malicious claim, ignoring all the other reasons why it may not have happened.

You're right about the second one though. I did indeed link to it already, though the fact that it was reprinted word-for-word on another website over a fortnight later without any notice of where it came from got me. My bad.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:04 / 29.05.06
"No means yes! No means yes!" Christ on a bike...

(Also, Duke women's lacrosse team show solidarity with their male teammates)
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
12:28 / 30.05.06
People seem so eager to get a conviction for the Duke team that they aren't even paying much attention to the case anymore.

Hell, what if the team is innocent? I'm revolted by the drunken, racist frat-boy scene as much as the next guy, but this case isn't even over yet.

That second post on Feministing's site was stomach-turning. It seems that everyone with an agenda is jumping on this case to push their views forward.
Hell, it's a liberal wet dream. Not only is she black, she's a woman! Victimized by a bunch of ignorant, racist good-old-boys who made it into college based on their sports skills! Sweet Lubricated Christ, where's my picket sign?

People just need to quit drawing conclusions until they've actually seen some evidence.
 
 
Slim
13:26 / 30.05.06
Regardless of the truth of the woman's claims (and for the record, I think she's lying through her teeth), chants of "No means yes" are stupid and boorish. The people who chanted that slogan are idiots.

I don't have problem with the female LAX team wearing the wristbands. It's likely that many of them are close friends with the male LAX team. I don't see this as anything but a group of people sticking up for friends that they feel are falsely accused.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
14:28 / 30.05.06
%Shush, you. They're being slaves to the male oppressors and you know it.%
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:43 / 30.05.06
Those two posts on Feministing's site were stomach-turning.

Could you clarify, Phallicus - is it the actions in the stories that are reported on that site that are "stomach-turning", or the way in which they are being reported on that site?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:47 / 30.05.06
Oh great, and now we have, what, hilaaarious sarcasm mocking those crazy feminist extremists?
 
  

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