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rising and revolving
11:23 / 01.03.05
About a year ago I tried smoking the leaf and got not much effect, especially. Last night I hit the 10x extract and got pretty much exactly the same experience as Gypsy descibes above. Booted straight into batfuck land, hard.

Almost impossible to describe accurately with words, but my entire body shattered and the fragments became other things - the most physical visionary experience I've had, bar none. My internal dialog became an external voice, and the fragments of what used to be my arm sat muttering "arm.arm.arm.arm." - very much a "language defining reality" sensation.

This stuff is being sold as "legal high" at the local head shops, which just fucks with my head. When I was 15 or so, I bought damiana from a bong shop as it was being sold as their "legal high" *(it did fuck all, as most of those 'legal highs' do) - I'm stunned to think what would have happened if I'd got this stuff.

The only area I differ with Gypsy is that it didn't feel like the peak of acid to me, at all, at all.

Fucking intense, though.
 
 
Salamander
16:18 / 01.03.05
I just started to use this helper again. I am suprised that at the 3rd level state that everything seems to have eyes, and I here voices in my head telling me to lay down, mother is coming. Of course, this makes me want to get up, which is probably an even worse idea. But Salvia has always had an eldritch Lovecraftian feel for me, so I rarely listen to the voices, even though it probably would be more pleasant (fewer knocked knees too).
 
 
+#'s, - names
04:14 / 24.03.06
i really don't know what to make of the last hour.

Bunk bed from when i lived in tennessee to a field with a giant bench to being told that everyone needs to know how to bend the right way and that im not bending right and just a feeling that where ever i was i was always there and then the contact and then the eventual clearing of the lens that was allready clear.

lesbian soccer elves giving me motivational speeches on the proper way to hold the chalice which was my bong?

ugh.
 
 
kaonashi
12:53 / 24.03.06
I'm considering going for a heavy/shamanic trip using a combination of enhanced salvia and dextromethorphin.

I've used both drugs to the extent that I'm familiar with their effects on me.

I've had some experience using 35x strength salvia but I've never really advanced past an L on the SALVIA scale.

I've used it many times over the last couple years but never have progressed into the out of body experience that a lot of experienced users get.

So any advice, want to tell me I'm crazy?

Is it wise to mix a potent hallucinogen with a potent dissacociative? This isn't a dry run, I've tried it once before. Had a pretty good visual trip, but it wasn't timed right to get the full mixed effect.
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
16:59 / 24.03.06
My partner and I tried it when he was in his full-on Shulgin phase about four years ago. We were going to some small private raves and trying various 2-T-C type compounds (which were interesting but have since become unavailable). A friend suggested that we try Salvia.

We smoked it a few times, and had low level visuals and intense dreams. The breakthrough though was when Fred picked up a vial of x10 extract (I think) while in Amsterdam. We held the extract under our tongues for 10 minutes and then smoked some as well. Then it was down the rabbit hole....

The first thing that I noticed was that I was a frog sitting on a river bank in the sun. All of us were frogs. There was an oak tree and the wind was moving thru the grass.

Next I was a hieroglyph/Hindu god in a wall talking to other hieroglyph/Hindu gods. I sort of reminded me of the experience of the FBI agent in Promethea who is momentarily on the roof of the world during the Apocalypse.

Then I was myself, but I was on the edge of two universes and was wobbling between the two.

Then I was back in my apartment and it was as though I had been there and sober the whole time. Whole trip time - less than 5 minutes.

I loved it! BEST TRIP EVER!!1! (and I've had some trips, mmm'kay?)

Haven't done it since though, due to other circumstances.
 
 
Wildfyre
21:18 / 24.03.06
This is to see if I can actually create a reasonable description of a Salvia experience:

My experience was utter disassociation from waking life, really fucking scary but too confused and engaged to understand. I seemed to become part of the cosmic ferris wheel which I was watching at the same time. I say 'I', but really there was no sense of identity; just experiencing. Upon each spoke there was a tiny window into 'reality' (my friends faces as they were smiling at me, confused). There was also a huge sense of sickening humorous tragedy, as if the whole mechanism was dying, but laughing as it died (there was certainly something mechanical about it). I was attached to each spoke felt like I held a huge responsibility over the entire thing. I had to complete a tireless mission which involved catching a particular spoke in the wheel at a certain point as it turned, and I'd try but I'd miss it - until I realised the mechanics of the wheel meant it just wasn't possible and I was caught up within it, forever. As someone mentioned previously, there was a profound sense of having been there previously, before time and life perhaps. Reminds me now of Shiva's dance...
Lasted only 5 mins or so. I did it again but had a different effect I can't remember. Several times smoking pot afterwards I've felt the same scary 'welcome back' feeling, but only as a passing phase, coupled with a sense of dread and remorse.

Wheels, tunnels, streets, and stations seem to come a lot. But what does it all mean?
 
 
+#'s, - names
20:05 / 06.07.06
I tried to describe a recent experience with salvia to a friend, could not really do it justice with words, so I created this. Visions of something similar to this at the tale end. It loops because in my head it lasted for either two minutes or two thousand years...
 
 
grant
13:06 / 07.07.06
That was nice.

I want it to be accompanied by a solo flute playing something slow & complicated, like Bach or Monteverdi.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:58 / 07.07.06
+#'s, - names: You know, I had a visual hallucination of something similar a number of years ago--not on salvia, I'd just gone about 4 days without sleep. I was looking at the floor from my bed and clearly saw a group of little grey foxes. At first they were natural-looking, like real animals, and then the image morphed into something like your catcano, only in shades of silver and with fox-faces instead of cats.

BTW, have you come across the work of Louis Wain at all? He was an illustrator noted for anthropomorphic cats and also for startling geometric images that resemble cats, but are so abstracted as to be almost unrecognisable. Wain suffered from late-onset schizophrenia and the conventional reading of his work is that his cats start out 'normal' (aside from wearing clothes, I mean) and become increasingly abstract as his disease progresses. However, since Wain did not date his pictures this interpretation is largely a matter of conjecture. Your image reminded me a little of Wain's work.
 
 
Ticker
13:58 / 07.07.06
Any info on the hangover side effects or ways to decrease your chance of experiencing any?

I'm not usually able to smoke so I'm getting the tincture from sagewisdom.org. Ideally I'd prefer to chew fresh leaves from a plant I tended but it seems like a good place to start.

This thread has been really great to read thanks to everybone for sharing their experiences.
 
 
Ticker
17:21 / 10.07.06
I just received my Sage Wisdom Emerald Goddess salvia tincture/potion. I must say the through informative pamphlet that came with is astounding.
Not only does it go into great detail about the quality, dosage, and history it also offers suggestions on experiences and how to set up your environment.

I'm very impressed with the straight forward yet comprehesive info wedged into the pretty little document.
 
 
grant
20:40 / 10.07.06
What kind of environmental info? I've read that with the lights on or high and without music playing, the effects become much less noticeable.
 
 
Ticker
12:56 / 11.07.06
Safe private space with dangerous objects removed, dark is best, with a sober sitter, and low music as optional. Also recommended is to have something to eat after the effects have stopped. A light snack is suggested to ground you. 3 hour window post event for no driving as well.

There is a caution that at high doses people may become quite active but not really aware of their surroundings. The presence of a sober responsible sitter is strongly advised for those using it for the first time, increasing their doses/using heroic doses, or changing form of ingestion. It sounds like while you're visiting elsewhere you might crash into the coffee table in the here and now.

It's funny how many people IRL I've discussed this with eschew the notion of a sober sitter. They seem to hold that as they have been just fine on other safaris this one should not be any different. There is something inherently, I dunno, maybe arrogant about that view that makes me uncomfortable.

It is true that I never approached other teachers that gently, instead I went mostly head over heels into their embrace. I do use sitters for physical ordeal work where the dangers are more readily obvious like bleeding to death or suffocating.

How do other people feel about sitters with Salvia?
 
 
Quantum
13:45 / 11.07.06
Essential, although they may get a bit freaked by the unusual reactions (walking in a circle, getting naked etc.) I was in a field on a very sunny day and the effects were very noticable indeed, mind you it was a fat dose.
 
 
Ticker
17:09 / 11.07.06
Can you describe your dose/delivery system?
 
 
Quantum
18:02 / 11.07.06
I think I did a few pages and years ago, but I can't be arsed to look it up. It was the 10x extraction and I smoked it in a pipe, held it in for as long as I could then sat still. It was at Glastonbury festival and I think mny friend gave me a triple dose, I only managed about half of it and then the whole of space and time collapsed as though it had been painted on a frail canvas the whole time which had suddenly been ripped away by a high wind. After I blinked a bit I could see again and I experienced looping time like a 'Groundhog Day' three seconds, the same tiny events over and again, a cycle which I had to break by getting up. Then stumbled around in a small circle and sat down again, totally losing track of what was and wasn't socially acceptable and streaming tears. It lasted about a minute or less, decreasing in intensity and then I was fine, just a bit stunned. Much more intense than anything else I've tried including high dose hallucinogens, which are pretty intense.
 
 
Ticker
19:20 / 11.07.06
did your sitter expect weirdness out of you and did they have to intervene at all?
 
 
Quantum
21:19 / 11.07.06
Mmm, nope, it wasn't very structured, they mostly just took the pipe when my motor control went temporarily. My SO was a bit phased though, worried because I was so vacant and acted so weirdly, I did need to hold onto her at one point because I just really needed a comforting hug to help with the extreme strangeness. I didn't do anything spectacularly unusual but apparently it's quite common to get naked and so on and I can see why.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:39 / 11.07.06
Yes have a sitter, but make it someone who knows. The Beautiful Man and I started off sitting for each other, and we knew what to expect and how to react. He has been and I would hope always will be the only person I would ever want to sit for me, he sat for me through my first ever DMT experience, and my first experience with salvia.

As for chewing the leaves xk, we have done this simply because of a deep rooted stubborness when it comes to shamanism and a determination to experience the real 'barriers to entry.' It takes a great deal of dedication to chew a quid for long enough and it tastes bitter and vile.

Now we dry our leaves and smoke them. We're thinking about making our own extract though, just to see. The Mazatec believe that any act of tending a plant is a sacred act and gains you kudos with the plant spirits.
 
 
Quantum
21:58 / 11.07.06
(aside) I can't find a thread on DMT but I'm sure there was one... there must be, surely? I have some and want to read upon it before meeting those machine elves or whatever.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:09 / 11.07.06
How weird. I can't find it either, but there definitely was one. I will keep looking for you.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:12 / 11.07.06
TBM thinks he might have an archive of the DMT thread. He's going to have a look for you.
 
 
ghadis
22:45 / 11.07.06
I'd recommend a sitter as you can panic on a strong hit of the stuff. I've only used it with a 10x extract and a pipe. I've had some great times with people sat around (Illmatic and The Forth i'm looking at you!) when the people that you are with and having a good time with are on a similer level. You tap into that as it's that sort of thing. Sat round in a circle in a room.

But i do remember doing some with a friend who really staggered around and tried to get out of the house, bashing into things etc. Not a good experience for him or us. My fault really as i hadn't really talked to him enough about what he was doing as he'd never taken any type of drug at all apart from the odd spliff.

I've taken it on my own a few times and havn't really got that much out of it. I've tried it in rituals but found that there isn't much point, for me, to use it in a certain way.

For me the effects are much like glue sniffing or other solvents. When i first tried salvia i was taken back to my teenage years,when i used to be quite a bad glue sniffer, and the whole feeling of familiarity of it all was unreal and quite a shock.

Of course when i mention this to some people who are really into Salvia and other 'natural' plants and drugs they tend to either ignore me or tell me i'm talking shit.
 
 
Ticker
03:20 / 16.07.06
I had an amazing day. I brought my wee bottle of Emerald Goddess tincture to my friends' house this afternoon.

After a lovely motorcyle ride along the back roads (nothing beats the humidity like 45 mph in a sea breeze) I arrived with a heart full of happiness. My ex PB greeted me and we picked berries off a big black berry bush and talked about motorcycles. We hung out in the kitchen and he read the Salvia pamphlet while we waited for our other friend, his roommate and my first ex T. (Normally I would just call them my friends but later in this account the aspect of ex-ness is relevant)

We all chatted about the Salvia. T had smoked it once and only had the whip-it heliocopter hum experience.
After some discussion about sitters the agreement was reached to just well, wade the fuck in as we decided to do the recommended moderate dose. Two droppers full of hot water and 4 droppers full of salvia into a shot glass for each of us with the intent to follow the instructions and hold the diluted tincture in our mouths for 15 minutes.

With the high alcohol level of the tincture barely diluted it felt like I had poured boiling water under my tongue. My eyes teared up and T banged on the table as he acclimated. I checked the time on my cell and tried not to think about the searing pain in my mouth. So I started reading the pamphlet and review the effects. Within 3 minutes the text went sideways and I covered my eyes.

Peacock feathers of green and blue spun up behind my eyelids and I felt the green rich liquid in my mouth as a thick sea. Reality slid sideways and I was in the concave outside pocket in a velvety textured space. Mindful of my mouthful I knew I had moved into a different reality and started to gleefully welcoming Salvia. More of a Green Fairy presence than Absinthe has ever been for me I was very aware of being in another's perception. It was akin to the dissolution I've experienced on very high doses of mushrooms but without the emotionally painful fear of leaving.
I opened my eyes and checked the time discovering that I'd only been holding the mixture for 10 minutes!
I gestured to my friends to close their eyes hoping that they too would find the other place suddenly so accessible.

I tried not to giggle and waited for the next five minutes (I was profoundly concerned with not offending the spirit by failing in my duty to hold the liquid in). It was with great relief that I let the stuff drool out of my mouth into a container set aside for the purpose. PB went outside to spit his out and T swallowed his dose. T commented on the beauty of the green goo I let slowly drizzle out of my mouth. The Emerald Goddess tincture is very lovely looking even upon exit!

I started laughing and exclamed about how high I was and asked how they were. PB informed us he was also high and 'feeling things' and T told us he felt nothing or something very slight.

I was a bit shocked at his lack of experience as I was very much aware of being altered. The inside of my mouth felt awful and I tried to rinse it with water to no avail. Finally I went out into the gardens and the sound of the bees made me want a sober guardian as I couldn't tell if there really were bees and if I was in danger of being stung etc etc. I wandered over to the front of the house and PB and I hung out in the grass.

I had a very MDMA-ish insight in that moment. I wanted to talk to PB about how my consciousness was being affected by the Salvia. He and I had tripped before when we were partners and I wanted very much to call on that shared experience. I felt the distance between us and the social construct of polite separation of experience. I realized that the societal designated intimacy of sharing only with your SO was blocking my exchange with another person I loved even though the context was not sexual. The intimacy in question was the vulnerable wonder of an altered state and the desire to share it.

In the few minutes earlier with the velvety black greenness behind my eyelids I had felt a blissful comradery. Looking at my ex as he smiled at the grass I saw a person I loved that I could not reach out to. I was aware the inability was a constructed falsehood and it made me laugh. Humans are so ridiculous some times.

We went inside and I sacked out on his bed as he showed me a book of pressed four leaf clovers he was collecting to make a lampshade for his sister. The cat came in and purred on me like a motorcycle engine. Slowly things started becoming more regular and T showed up still sober and we all trooped into the kitchen.

45 mintues has passed by and I was now mostly sober but with a soft focus and a very angry mouth. At 3 hours I rode my motorbyke home wthout any issue and then went to a hafla with T. We talked about how we have reclaimed our friendship (been 10 years since we dated) and how we both hoped we might share the same level of comfort with our more recent exs in the future.T told me he agrees that PB and I are still figuring out our friendship and I should be able to nudge it along.

Now it's been 10 hours and my mouth and tongue feel a lot better only scalded. I've realized once again how much of an uptight restricted person I am and how with some work I can improve my relationships with people I love. Mostly I learned that Salvia is a very wonderful and magical plant I need to tend and be friends with. Next time I'd like to chew it.


I'd also like to develop dialogue with my friends about comfort levels for this kind of work. I suspect Salvia may not make me touchy feelie like MDMA physically but it seems to make me want to be verbally so. Though not about 'us' as in ex-ness but about Us as humans.
 
 
EvskiG
14:11 / 16.07.06
I also tried it this weekend, twice.

25 mg of extra-strength leaf (with 1 mg of salvinorin A per dose) acquired from Sage Wisdom. Smoked in three big hits, holding the smoke for about 30 seconds per hit.

Felt the effect by the second hit. It started with a strong multi-image effect: suddenly my lovely wife standing in front of me appeared to have eight eyes, eight arms, etc. like a Hindu goddess or a Jim Woodring picture. The rest of the room seemed similarly fragmented or multiplied. This was accompanied by a moderate sense of ego-loss: I had trouble remembering who I was, what I was doing, how long I had been in this state, or how to articulate my thoughts in language. I also felt a strong physical PULSING sensation, which came and went in waves.

All of the above lasted for about five minutes or so, after which it settled into a milder but distinctly altered state of consciousness (reminiscent of, but distinct from, a moderately strong LSD trip) that gradually tapered off over the next fifteen minutes to half an hour. No real "mystical" feeling to the effects -- certainly less than a mushroom or LSD trip. Almost all of the lingering effects were gone within two hours.

Now I'll have to try the liquid and see how that differs . . .
 
 
Ticker
14:26 / 16.07.06
I'm wondering if diluting the tincture will lessen the effects due to the absorption rate?
 
 
Olulabelle
22:04 / 16.07.06
I would imagine it probably would. If you dilute a thing, for instance adding wine to soda to make a spritzer then you find that the spritzer affects you less than straight wine in a glass on it's own. That's because the alcohol hits your body at a different dilution level even though the total content is, in the long run, the same. I can't see how Salvia would be any different, but I haven't ever done it that way so this is just assumption.
 
 
+#'s, - names
22:50 / 19.07.06
Ultimate party videos of the ultimate party drug.
 
 
Ticker
02:55 / 20.07.06
that link makes me fear for Salvia's legal future.
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:27 / 20.07.06
Sacred Weeds Salvia Divinorum, some of the videos are actually very good, especially the above entitled. i remember watching these on channel four some years ago, they attempt to provide a semi scientific study of salvia divinorum.
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:44 / 20.07.06
Infact most of the series is avalible including henbane, water lilies, fly agaric etc do a search on you tube for sacred weeds.
 
 
Ticker
13:52 / 21.07.06
[ thread rot]

henbane is in a historic recipe I was given for woad as the psychoactive ingrediant.
anyone have experience of this plant?

[/thread rot]
 
 
grant
15:11 / 21.07.06
I'm nearly certain henbane's in the belladonna family.

Lemme look -- yep. Solanaceae.

Same as potatoes.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:05 / 21.07.06
/offtopica/

xk, I've made woad before and read quite a lot about it and I would be wary of a recipe that contains psychoactive ingredients. I have never come across such a thing until now. I just did a search for "psychoactive woad" in google and that seems to be the general consensus of opinion too.

Who gave you the recipe?

/end offtopica/
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:06 / 21.07.06
Those Salvia videos are pretty amusing and remind me very much of the Salvia Honeymoon my peers and I entered upon our early experiences with the plant. Having spent years cultivating the plant and developing a sort of relationship with it's Spirit I do find myself somewhat concerned. That concern is still rooted in a sort of disappointment with the continual rise in concentrates and extracts; 40x . . . geeeze.

Working only with dried leaf I, and many peers, discovered a sort of learning curve WRT moving up and down the S.A.L.V.I.A.* spectrum. Patience, effort and attention has revealed to me that "Salvia" (the spirit or intelligence behind the experience) sort of teaches a language that one learns in preparation for having one's world "flipped." It's this learning curve that is often reflected when a first time user (of the leaf only) is unaffected by those first (few) attempts.

Eventually, after expectations have dropped or perhaps a measure of ego attachment has fractured, one gets "flipped" by Salvia. Essentially a person moves from floating around the S.A.L. portions of the spectrum well into V.I. and even A. Speaking from (quite a bit of) personal experience, it's my firm believe that each person preps their consciousness with-in the S.A.L. range before moving up & out into V.I.A.

This learning curve seems to be "skipped over" with the use of extracts. A user seems to be vaulted into V.I.A. were much amazement and fun on the part of witnesses is had. However, I find myself wondering if the internal work with-in that learning curve is lost or never given a chance to develop in the face of that instant gratification.

For me, it's that internal work that has yielded the greatest rewards. It's allowed me to use Salvia in a variety of medicinal ways. Curing headaches, stomachaches, Hangovers and burn-out-from-too-much-partying. It's also equipped my consciousness to much more effectively navigate the hallucinogenic mindscapes of DMT and the like. I find myself wondering if these sorts of "rewards" are to be found with-in the use of extracts and concentrates.

*It bares repeating that the S.A.L.V.I.A. Spectrum goes something like this:
  • S: "Something" is senced, maybe it's just that nitrous like Wah Wah

  • A: "Altered" sences and maybe distorted perceptions.

  • L: "Light" or luminous appearance in one's sight.

  • V: "Visions" and "Voices."

  • I: "Intense" hallucinations.
  • A: "Amnesia" one returns from their trip not quite sure what happened in that time. They may have been very active walking around talking to "people" who weren't there etc. Or simply sort of nodded off.
  
  

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