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20:42 / 24.09.02

Hi I'm dain and I'm new to this...this forum is truly intel. Look for a place called Salvia Divinorum Corps. They have a buyer's club (wholesale) prices, and other worthwhile activities. Salvia is the closest to death I think I've come. I've smoked three, four times, it keeps telling me to let go and flow in the river that always next to me, but it's too frightening yet. Letting go of body feels like letting go of EVERYTHING you know?
If the Sage gets scheduled, I expect to see you all in D.C., ready to bring it all down.
Also, can somebody post some experience based recommendations on datura?

21:47 / 24.09.02

Tried datura (now, after taxonomic reclassification, brugmansia) when I was a callow youth, but (luckily, I think) not enough to get an effect - roots under tongue. Nasty.
Tried again when old enough to know better, soaking cigarettes in alcohol-leaf/flower extraction. Couldn't break through the body effects (nausea, throbbing, headache) and now that I've read more, I don't think I really want to.

solid~liquid onwards

09:02 / 27.09.02

i made some 10x extract last week...im still to scared to try it though

18:02 / 05.10.02

10x!?!?!?

alright... how about posting the process for it!!!

Have a small batch of 5x I still haven't gotten around to...

I've a theory tat at a certain point it may not mater... 'cause the plant is still the plant & it will comunicate to you what it feels it would...

but that's jsut a theory at the moment.

NewPickettywitch

18:38 / 05.10.02

Here's a site worth seeing: http://www.salviaspace.com/salvia.html
They're in the US and have the lowest prices of any I've seen online; they also appear to be much more knowledgeable about what they have for sale than some of the sites I've seen. While I've not had the chance to use enhanced leaf yet, I do quite well with a gram smoked very quickly (and deeply) from a water-pipe. My personal impression is of a loss of the sense of Time and a typical hour for me with Salvia feels (and looks) very similar to the first signs of psilocybin coming on: such things as incremental changes in perception with regard to the visual field (light, shadow, patterns in rugs, etc.). For me, it's also comparable to Valium in its sense of Calm. One of Daniel Siebert's suggestions is that if music is played, something very quiet be chosen, and I've had wonderful experiences with Steve Roach or Robert Rich CD's playing at low volume. Anything loud and blaring, such as TV (or The Butthole Surfers!) ought to be avoided to really experience the Time-lessness, or for that matter, any music that has a beat to it...

20:25 / 05.10.02

The one time i tried Salvia was two years ago, smoked two generous bonghits of 5x, literally just floated back into my couch and dropped the bong (glad someone was there to catch it...). keeping my eyes closed i was instantly flung into heavy thought processing until i panicked and opened my eyes. with no memory of what i had done to enter that state, i opened my eyes to full-blown ultra-vivid reality-quality hallucinations that were an ego death/reality death/'cosmic joke' revelation from the get-go. after seeing my furniture unfold itself and walk away as if it were only there waiting for the moment i unlocked the 'secret', and watching my 'friends' peer out from suits that looked like my friends and black-clad cosmic stagehands begin to tear down the 'set' of my living room, i saw the ceiling of the room disappear revealing a monstrous miles-long monolithic ME composed of 3D dioramas representing points in time during my life, memories, and i was being 'assimilated' into this giant cosmic me for good. i thought the jig was up, the game was over. suspended in time, i finally had one rational thought that convinced me that i was hallucinating, and tried to push the trip away, slowly becoming more grounded as time passed. when it was finished, my friends told me the trip lasted merely 45 seconds. i had nightmares that haunted me for two months and nearly had a nervous breakdown at the end of it, paranoid delusions and everything.
i would say be careful with dosage, duh.
friends who experimented with much lower dosages reported gentle aural/closed-eye hallucinations, very friendly and chill.
should i try again? does anyone think i'll just have the same trip?

17:33 / 07.10.02

Would you be able to handle it if you did? You should be at least prepared to have your mind blown if you want to mess with her, as a general rule. Even in low doses, she can be quite intimidating. She's not a recreational experience, she's a teacher or a tool.

22:30 / 08.10.02

Well, I would certainly recomend just the simple leaf, if you're going to revisit the experience...

I've found that Salvia experience rairly repeat themselves, so while it may be equally (or More?) intense the context or content of the journey would probably be different. ritual is Very useful when approching Salvia, you might want to make use of that as well...

Have you considered growing a live plant? The relationship may be useful on a follow-up Journey.

12:44 / 07.11.02

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A bill (HR 5607) introduced in Congress on
October 10, seeks to make the
Mazatec ceremonial plant Salvia divinorum and its
active principle
Salvinorin A the next outlawed drugs under
federal law. The Center for
Cognitive Liberty & Ethics (ccle) is organizing
and preparing opposition
to HR 5607, and is also calling upon all
interested people to express
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>> Read More at
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Please forward this message to others who may be
interested.

solid~liquid onwards

13:07 / 07.11.02

(thats pretty pricy)

oh man, guess who will no doubt follow in the U.S's big fat footsteps

get your own plants while you can (their pretty inconspicuous)

01:15 / 15.01.03

Actually sttab, if you think about it, half of our current cabinet would probably legalise weed if given the opportunity, so i can't really see them outlawing salvia. The US government is prone to extreme paranoia when it comes to any form of mind-altering substance. Don't you remember 'Dave the Cowboy'??

Anyway, where would the rest of us grow salvia?? We don't all have the same cosy little suitcase setup as you.......

15:15 / 15.01.03

According to the info center (that last link), it's not illegal here. Yet.

13:57 / 20.01.03

Yay. The salvia thread is still alive. I found a shop in Dublin which sells both leaf and extract. I didn't have enough money to get any but hopefully at the weekend I'll get some. I'm considering keeping a hit to do on my own.
Anybody got any thoughts on using it to charge sigils?
How hard is it to grow properly?

14:17 / 20.01.03

A friend of mine has several very healthy plants. They didn't need much more than a good potting and the usual care and feeding. They're quite hardy, it seems. The difficult bit is finding a live cutting to start with, more so than the growing later.

21:25 / 04.03.03

Howdy. I'm a film student and I'm making a short documentary on Salvia. I'm looking for some folk to interview.

If you live in:
Santa Fe, NM
Boston
or Los Angeles

And you:
Use Salvia
Grow Salvia
or Sell Salvia
(or have at some point)

I'd like to arrange a short interview with you for sometime between March 6th and March 16th. Nothing major. Informal. Probably a half-hour at most.

Please post if you're interested.

Also, if you have any particularly fantastic ideas for topics to discuss in the documentary, please let me know.

13:20 / 05.03.03

The ubiquity of salvia species - they're pretty much everywhere. The only one that does something is pretty rare, but it has cousins on every continent and in every growing condition, just about (except maybe tundra and desert).

14:19 / 05.03.03

I've had quite a few drug experiences in my time, smoking a fat hit of 10X Salvia is by far the most intense. At Glastonbury, looking at a tree in the field with the stone circle, I smoked a pipe my friend had loaded- he put 3 or 4 times the recommended dose in, I thought 'Pah, legal smoking stuff eh? I'll smoke it and be mildly hungover' this opinion formed after smoking normal strength Salvia and feeling very little. I was so wrong.
The world fell away, and was revealed as an illusion, which was fine except that I felt I was trapped in two second time loop of infinite duration- like a micro groundhog day. I wanted to follow the trip but I had to check I could get back to mundane reality, so I got up and ran around in a circle, sat back down, to prove I could affect the world and wasn't trapped (apparently lots of people spontaneously do that). Then I just sat, eyes streaming, trying to work out what the fuck was going on. Fifteen minutes or so later I was fine, a bit shaken for a few hours but no long lasting affects except a feeling of surreality for a day or two- but that might just have been Glastonbury.
I don't know if I'd do that regularly- I've never taken any hallucinogen that seemed so real or affected my perceptions in such a dramatic way on such a fundamental level. I've not had any since- partially because it hasn't come my way, partially because it's so damn strong. 'Weak' Salvia (natural strength) seems so mild as to not be worth taking, and I've heard mixed reports on 5X. Is it worth buying some 5X to test the dosage or will I just be disappointed?

01:40 / 12.05.03

i've tried a 5x extract with a group of friends recently and this being our first experience with salvia, we all experienced a feeling of contempt either in the beginning of the high or during the come-down period. during my hits of salvia, i felt a feeling of contempt for a friend who was sitting by me. later on, my other friend, after his hit became very defensive and sat away from us, while cursing at us when we tried to see if he was fine. however, certain hallucinogenic effects happened afterwards. i felt as if my physiology was becoming independent. i felt as if my left hand was warring against my right hand and while closing my eyes, the visuals were much like a really bad movie (think phantom of the paradise/barbarella/flash gordon mixed into one).
during my second hit i felt as if my shirt had become digitalized and was trying to devour my eyeglasses which i kept in my shirt pocket. other experiences from my friends were as such that one felt as if reality had melted away and it felt as if they were on the set of gumby. one felt that as he was looking at us all at once, we were all moving in unison. others reported a "floating experience".
what concerns me is this feeling of contempt which was experienced by most of us during this. i am wondering if any of you had felt this while smoking it.

01:57 / 12.05.03

My first expieriance with Salvia was the 5x. Upon hitting it the second time, an immediate dissacociation with my body occurred. My two friends definatly seemed to be more sinister and there was an immediate intensification of colors. The trip didn't last very long, and me and my freinds dubbed it the crack cocaine of hallucinagens. My second expieriance was with a 10x dose. This was much more dramatic as if it seemed I was existing on the verge of two realities. I was with the same two friends, two males, but I got the definate sense that there were two more people in the room, but not the same room. The feeling I had was that there were two "ups" and two "downs", and that confusion of spacial dimension was a very strange expieriance for me. I haven't done any since, but I plan to once I find my balls.

the rake at the gates

21:56 / 12.05.03

anyone now any good books about salvia?, mainly how to handle the trip, ie how a shaman would use salvia as a tool

22:40 / 12.05.03

'Weak' Salvia (natural strength) seems so mild as to not be worth taking

This I find interesting as the majority of my Salvia experiences have been with leaves droped by plants in my care...

It's always seems that the potency of the "trip" depended on several factors...

Setting
Dosage (a great big bong-rip usually works vs. say a simple pipe)
Frequency of use
Relative newness to the plant

above all other such substances this one seems to demand a sort of "relationship" before any real profound experiences are made available. I've experienced much of what's been discribed using simple leaf. ALOT has to do with one's own mind-set...

As for books... not too many to be found...
PHARMAKO/POEIA
is a favorate . . .

04:02 / 13.05.03

This may have been posted above, but Erowid.org has a bunch of articles on salvia.

My brother just found a place in the city that sells plants for pretty cheap, so it looks like I'll finally get a chance to try this. Very excited.

15:42 / 15.05.03

First time I tried Salvia was a small 'legal highs' bag from a festival that did nothing. More recently I aquired a 10x extract. You need to smoke a good hit in a pipe or bong and hold in the smoke for 15-20 seconds to get a good effect. Smoking it in a spliff isn't effective because it burns salvia burns at a higher temperature. When you get a good hit you feel a kind of rush of vibration come on, vaguely like poppers but psychedelic (can have an anesthetic feel a bit like ketamine too). On one occasion when I took a reasonable sized hit, everything seemed to assume a kind-of indentity and an intention of physically moving. I lost awareness of what things were (even though I could see them). I shut my eyes and saw a huge rotating wheel with spokes and panels, which wanted me to join with one of the panels. At this point I was thinking (and almost shouted) "I dont fucking have to!", then I realised that I didn't need to shout that or do anything else. That was pretty intense... on the 'come down' which usually begins after the 2, 3min peak, things such as music seem very 'groovy', and lyrics may seem to be speaking directly to you. Believe it or not, my friends and I found that Gangsta Rap worked really well with it, because the beats kindof lock in to the whole experience. Stoner Rock was too muddled, and Dance music too intense.

I also found that Salvia induced very weird trippy dreams (I smoked it in the afternoon, and when to sleep about midnight), even for several nights. My dreams looked colourised, and had lots of weird patterns sketching everywhere. This wasn't unpleasant; it was quite cool, but I wouldn't want to smoke Salvia on a regular basis, because of residual effects. It's quite interesting that on the S-A-L-V-I-A scale, the effects are compared with the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at the onset of sleep. This is something I have also experienced, and I would say there is a similarity - both are very physical, can give the sense of 'alien' entities or presences and out-of-body experiences.

16:29 / 15.05.03

Right-on with the S-A-L-V-I-A scale...

I've also found there are cumulatice effects in a prolonged session.

With-in groups we've found major markers for "group mind" type of experiences. Shared hallusinations... Hard to explain, but the experience of "levels" or "veils" cutting through the group at specific angles, each person experiencing those "angles" in relation to where they are placed with-in the group.

Simple group-mind trip set-up:
With-in a circle where a group could pass a bong around, a pace where each person was experiencing one of the following stages optimized the collective trip(in my experiences). It's an organic sort of process in my example I'm including 7 people sitting in a circle with a huge source of leaves in the center accessable to all.
The circle could work with fewer people, with more people additional bongs would be helpfull. Think of the "Row-Row-Row Your Boat" sort of cascade in timing:

person_1--takes a hit & passes the bong.
person_2--repacks/hits & passes, person_1--"goes with-in*"
person_3--packs/hits/passes, person_2--"goes-with-in", person_1--experiences salvia
person_4-packs/hits/passes, person_3-"goes-with-in", person_2-experiences salvia,person_1-returns
person_5-packs/hits/passes, person_4-"goes-with-in", person_3-experiences salvia, person_2-returns, person_1-verbalizes any insights probably to persons_6+.
person_6-packs/hits/passes, person_5-"goes-with-in", person_4-experiences salvia, person_3-returns, person_2-verbalizes any insights to persons_1 & or 7+.
person_7-packs/hits/passes, person_6-"goes-with-in", person_5-experiences salvia, person_4-returns, person_3-verbalizes any insights to persons_1 & 2.
person_1-packs/hits/passes, person_7-"goes-with-in", person_6-experiences salvia, person_5-returns, person_4-verbalizes any insights to persons_2 & 3.

After the circle has been completed the verbalized insights tend to echo into the experiences of those on the otherside of the circle. The cumulative effects have on several occasions lead to a sort of Fibonacci Sequence both in terms of the "geometries" of the trips as well as the level of depth/height/intensity of the experiences...

has anyone else experiences or experiemented with the potential of group/collective experiences?

18:11 / 15.05.03

The group ideas interesting, it's cool to do a bong of Salvia with a couple of other people roughly the same time, so you all 'get it'. When you trip, you do tend to bounce 'vibes' of the other people in the group, so you tend to think you've all had the same trip, even though you might all have different experiences. I read somewhere that this can even effect animals - apparently dogs can really enjoy tripping with people on mushrooms (the dog's not on mushrooms). The only problem with Salvia, is the experience is fairly short, so it can be hard to co-ordinate properly + i find Salvia isn't quite as 'social' as other stuff, but yeah if done properly it could be cool.

19:47 / 15.05.03

My Dogs LOVE IT when I/we trip...

He hearding instincts totally kick in & if thee's a group of us she totally devotes herself to keeping us together & safe.
Plus being available for some big time snuggling...

it's cool to do a bong of Salvia with a couple of other people roughly the same time, so you all 'get it'.

What I've noticed with that is that occasionally someone may "act-up" while influenced by Salvia... Walk off, do a dance, sing. With the Spiral Method™ there's at least some-one not entirely under the effects incase some "handling" is required. OF course a group of trusted "friends" would allow for greater depth/heights than would a casual collection of people.
And Yeah, not everyone can "open-up" to/in a social setting...

19:49 / 15.05.03

I've noticed cats get an intense amount of amusement from humans tripping, the spiral does seem like it would be better if everyone wanted to trip at the same time I'll have to try it.

22:40 / 15.05.03

Spiral:
the spiral does seem like it would be better if everyone wanted to trip at the same time

I would certainly agree that it helps if the "group" is interested in exploring group consciousness...
By all means give it a try... let us know how it goes...

20:09 / 17.05.03

Hi.
I'm new here but since you're talking about Salvia. I thought I'd drop a line to say I grew it for a long time and have smoked it and it's extracts MANY times. It's my favorite drug because it can be used in any of the ways that any other drug can once you learn how to work with it. By the way I manage these communities:
Livejournal:Psyconaut
and
Livejournal:Tripreport
and I've written a few reports for Erowid.
Here is more about me.

21:58 / 27.05.03

well that's quite a ah.... resume

you have there... How long you been around Barbelith?

Welcome...

13:17 / 28.05.03

I had some friend who were determined to do E this way... they mashed up a few pills and used a straw to blow it up each other's ass... No Joke!!!

Both of them instantly got a case of diarrea.. and spent the rest of the evening feeling pretty "shitty" (pun intended) and dumb for having wasted both the rare pure MDMA as well as the money it cost to aquire it. The rest of us who tool it the traditional way of course had a blast as well as no end to the sympathy we had for them.
We laughed our asses off about it later... it still makes me chuckle.

your friends were on the right track. my girlfriend and i tried it a few months ago, but instead of blowing the dry powder up each other's asses with straws, we crushed up the pills and put the powder in water, then sucked up the water in an eye-dropper sort of thing and put that up each other's asses.

i expected the diarrhea issue to come up, and so while i was waiting for it to absorb, i just laid on my belly and tried to relax. i managed to keep it inside for about an hour, which was more time than i needed - about 45 minutes in the E started to hit me like a fucking freight train.

by the time i needed to shit at about an hour in, i was rolling so hard i was almost willing to just stay on my belly, melt into the carpet, crap my pants, and deal with it in the morning. almost =)

it didn't work quite so well for my girlfriend, but she still rolled harder than she would have otherwise. i would encourage your friends to try again.

14:40 / 28.05.03

Yi. The Aztecs would be proud.

Note you can get a similar effect by letting the pill disolve under your tongue and absorb sublingually through your gums, such as is done (token attempt to get back to topic) by chewing bundles of fresh Salvia leaf. Though I've always been partial to snorting the powder for the freight train effect. It burns like a bitch, but hits almost instantenously

16:23 / 28.05.03

wait, cusm, do you mean railing the Salvia extract, or are we back to the E? i didn't think snorting would work for Salvia...

18:08 / 28.05.03

Sorry, E for railing. I'm not sure if you could rail salvia extract, though I suppose its possible if its powdered well enough...

02:28 / 01.06.03

getting salvia plant from scotland, probably arriving on tuesday. can't wait.

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