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18:22 / 12.06.03

As intrigueing as the Salvia Divinorum strain sounds I truely hope I can wait for another two months to acquire some.

But if you can wait and you live in Florida you will be able to purchase lives plants next spring from The Herb Shop in Pensacola for a mere $40 per four inch plant.

Not an advertisement, simply wanted to let everyone know that may live near here where they could eventually purchase live specimens if they can wait a little while.

04:56 / 16.06.03

Recently I read here about Salvia and took the advice offered by someone on the first page under this topic, ordering the 6x from ectasy melrose. I smoked the whole gram (very cautiously in case it hit me all at once) in one night trying for effect and hardly anything happened. Now, while my two friends who 'sat' me think it is a hoax, I went and immediately upon finishing that first order placed a new one for the 10x. Last week I smoked half of that, and for lack of a better way to describe it, it just kind of made me feel stoned.
Now, I see afew interpretations here and just wondered what others thought via their experiences.

Interpretation #1:

The appropriately mentioned 'building arelationship with the drug' interpretation. The first couple dozen times I smoked grass nothing ever happened to me and then all of a sudden BAM! Perhaps It is just a matter of letting the body and the plant become acquainted in order to open the appropriate receptors in the brain.

Interpretation #2:

Ectasy Melrose [and this is not an accusation or slander of any kind, but instead a fact finding request form the others on this board]: are they a reputable source for this plant?
I really pretty much work under the assumption of the correctness of the first interpretation, but I just wondered, anyone else out there able to confirm or deny successful purchases/experiences from this online store? Just watching me arse. Is there a better site for ordering?
Cheers

12:40 / 16.06.03

Maybe it's the method- the best way is to take as big a hit as possible and then hold your breath as long as possible, then lie down...
I have heard that smoking it gradually does just make you stoned sorta. I never developed a relationship with Salvia, I've only had it a couple of times. The first time I felt a bit stoned, the next time I had a fat hit from a full pipe of 10x and held it in for about 30 seconds, then my conception of reality disintegrated for about five minutes.

the rake at the gates

22:04 / 16.06.03

the same sort of thing has happened to me, i gave some of my homegrown to my smoking friends to try it out and they said it was like being stonned but with slight visual weirdness, i'd been warning them about mind shattering trips and telling them in advance as to how powerful this drugs is and the general opinion was that i shouldn't believe everything i read on the internet, but i've spoken to other users who claim that its very strong and i should be careful, so i put the weak effects down to it being only natural non enhanced leaf and their poor smoking technique, ie not heating the leaf enough or not holding it in long enough, no doubt because there used to smoking weed, so im gonna try them on the 10X see how that works out

13:48 / 17.06.03

I've tried the 6X from EM and it wasn't much to speak of. I got about as much out of the plain leaf, which I've mostly worked with. From what I've seen it seems the 10X is the real kicker. I've seen people completely shattered on it, and am planning to finally try that level sometime soon.

13:55 / 17.06.03

Another intereasting one I've tried recently, Ibogaine. It put me in an extended waking dream like state where the borders of internal and external reality disappeared, much as they do on low doses of Salvia. Only, it lasted for about 10 hours, and was very peaceful. But otherwise, I noted a lot of similarlties in the experience. The magical/spiritual uses for this one are simply enormous. And it mixes stupendously well with E

10:50 / 04.07.03

I can highly reccomend the so-called Diviner's Sage, although, with everything you shouldn't be holding any expectations. I thought I'd melt into the immediate envoirenment, but heck I ended up going outside to do The Hymn of Pan!!!!! Good stuff!!!! I like it, but I was told that I'd lose all sense of ego & identity, and I never.... Pity the DEA are getting onto it in Amerikkka.....
Had a similar experience with DMT - not the expected Machine-Space Elves I encountered, but a 4-dimensional Mayan giant butterfly (in red-oxide, I'dd add!) - that's the nature of thee game innit......
Ritual Intensifiers, goddess bless 'em!!!!!
Oh yeh, sorry Cusm - I transgressed the etiquities of the Forum by using Cap Locks all the time, won't happen again mate......

13:44 / 30.07.03

Hello folks.

Got a question for the salvia growers out there. I'm thinking of growing it myself but I have a cat. You know the type : never gets beyond the window ledge, sleeps most of the day on the sofa when it's not planning a surprise rush on feets passing near him and... chews anything green he can put his pawns on. He seems to love my girlfriend's mint. Not clever tho, the smell is a dead giveaway. But I digress...

Anyone with Salvia plants AND cat(s) ? Does it have any effect on animals ? It's not that I don't want my cat to meet some 5-dimensional mouse telling him about the nature of reality but I'd be very sad if Salvia had a nasty effect of him. He's already crazy enough like that.

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22:24 / 30.07.03

What sort of arrangement were you thinking of for growing it? I don't grow salvia, nor have I experimented on any random felines, but I've lived with them for a long while and there are ways to keep them out of things, contrary to the beliefs of the uninitiated. Hanging baskets, properly positioned, are nearly impossible for them to reach, and there's always keeping it in a room he can't get into. If he's truly such a homebody, perhaps keeping it outdoors or in a greenhouse is an option, although I don't know how much outdoor space you have. You might also consider enclosing it in chicken wire or a birdcage or something; just don't let it grow so large that the leaves touch the sides. The fact that he already has a taste for mint leads me to think he might be fairly determined to get at the salvia, but he also sounds a bit on the lazy side, so a certain amount of discouragement might work.

My wholehearted recommendation is never, ever to let him get into it. Substances often have unpredictable effects on animals (cf. household pets and chocolate, for example). While it's charming to think your cat could have a visionary experience after eating your salvia plant and become a super-holy cat shaman and lead a new feline spiritual revolution, it's equally likely that he'll have a terribly adverse reaction. And anyway, then you'd be out a salvia plant.

In other news: A shop in my town is actually carrying it now. Sounds like now's the time for me to get off my ass and try this stuff, as I've been meaning to do for months.

the rake at the gates

11:06 / 31.07.03

salvia is very very very bitter so i doubt your cat would like the taste, so i imaging it would be alright, saying that cats might really like the taste, so just put a barrier round the bottom or just put it in a another room

12:10 / 31.07.03

Plant some catnip on the other side of the room, or tie up a valerian teabag in something more durable, your cat will ignore the salvia and destroy them instead (and meet five dimensional mice etc.)

14:26 / 31.07.03

Thanks for your suggestions.

The hanging basket is definitely the way to go because I have no outdoor space and the flat is not too big. The poor bastard has such a small space already for his mad runs, no need to barricade my personnal office. Beside, the discouragement technique suggested is pointless ; I've never seen such an obstinate animal.

It's that or I'll have to turn my gardening frenzy toward cactus or shrooms.

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17:06 / 31.07.03

A little dilute vinegar in a spray bottle works wonders, too. Don't tell me it won't work on a stubborn house cat; I've seen it stop a full-grown leopard in mid-leap. It can be sprayed on things you don't want him messing with as well as used as a disciplinary tactic, just keep it on a mist and don't spray directly into the eyes (unless you're dealing with a charging leopard, in which case all bets are off).

21:07 / 31.07.03

Well, I *do* use a plant spray as a matter of fact. But he got so used to it these days that even a trip in the shower when he makes a BIG error only seem to amuse him. That's discipline for you...

Not thought about vinegar tho. Boy, am I a newbie...

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00:11 / 01.08.03

(by now this is utter threadrot)
I learned that trick from volunteering at a big cat sanctuary. They took in a lot of abused animals from fur farms or in one case from a bunch of drug dealers with more money than sense who wanted a mountain lion to guard their warehouse. The only discipline they ever needed with their cats was a firm talking to and a bottle of vinegar. I think when they took it into the cages of those cats who were more loopy than the others it was close to full strength, especially the leopards who are known for their volatile tempers and ability to leap thirty feet into the air and then take your head off by lashing their tails too hard or something. Cats hate the smell, and if it's strong enough it burns the eyes pretty badly too.

14:51 / 01.08.03

[continuing rot] Make sure that the vinegar is the distilled white stuff, not malt or cider or balsamic vinegar...[/rot]

I finally laid hands on a salvia plant, and I'm having trouble keeping the humidity up high enough for it. I think I need a better "tent" than a couple of sheets of clingwrap.

20:55 / 07.04.04

The Salvia thread lives again...

I've been reading about growing Salvia and in my wanderings I came across a little piece of writing about Salvia's links to Lucid Dreaming. Specifically, "The main property of salvia divinorum is to induce flashes of REM activity during waking" and "Salvia divinorum thus seems to activate neuronal systems which are triggered when one enters the REM phase of sleep."

So I looked that up on Erowid and Lycaeum but I can't find anymore direct references to the fact that Salvia actually induces Lucid Dreaming, and in fact I found a couple of posts people had made which said that this particular article is (to put it mildly) bollocks.

So does anyone know? (Come in Mr Tricks..). Is it? Does it? Or does it just induce a dreamlike state?

22:05 / 07.04.04

Isabelle, So glad to hear you've finnally got a plant (sorry I haven't been able to get one to you) But PM or e-mail me with details about it and I'll see if I can offer any input to help the plant grow along.

'belle:

IMO Salvia can certainly induce dreamlike states and inspire lucid dreaming... amongst a whole host of other possibilities... Alot depends on what one has already cultivated throughout one's courtship with the plant spirit.

15:10 / 30.06.04

Blimey. Did a bit of this last night for the first time. Total "what the fuck just happened?" moment. How the hell is this stuff managing to remain legal? My best description of what took place is that I was shunted into another dimension for about five minutes, then back again. It was like experiencing reality from a perspective way outside the normal habitual range of perception, although it felt deeply and profoundly familiar at the same time. As if I used to experience reality like this long ago, and had forgotten all about it. In a certain sense it was like five minutes of peaking on really strong acid then back to normal again. But the personality of the drug was nothing like acid, not quite as organic and 'nature spirity' as mushrooms either, a bit of a harsh edge to it. Not entirely comfortable. Difficult, even. Raw and hard, but comforting at the same time. The actual experiences I had were deeply emotionally affecting, but they completely defy my ability to describe them in language. Can't do it. It just sounds nonsensical and silly when I try to put any of it into words. Furniture in my flat took on vast significance that I can't even comprehend let alone attempt to describe. A weird sense of familiarity to the whole thing – almost nostalgia. It was like my perceptions were being filtered through an alien field of consciousness, but it was only alien in the sense that I had somehow forgotten this level of awareness and experience. Possible memories of this being a normal state of consciousness when I was little. Maybe as a pre-verbal baby or something like that. Five minutes of this, then back to normal.

15:25 / 30.06.04

Recently got some interesting advice from someone who makes heavy use of Salvia. The main one being to at the moment of snapping to outside reality, attempt instead to snap in, so that you instead experience a hyperaware sense of Nowness in your current reality, rather than going deep into visionary space. Does this make sense for anyone who'se done a lot of her? Also, the mix of Salvia + 5-meo-DMT is reportedly very positive, the DMT offering a means of mastery to the normally wild nature of Salvia.

14:57 / 01.07.04

Cusm: The main one being to at the moment of snapping to outside reality, attempt instead to snap in, so that you instead experience a hyperaware sense of Nowness in your current reality, rather than going deep into visionary space. Does this make sense for anyone who'se done a lot of her?

Makes perfect sense to me... I've gone both ways with it (ooh, and once at the same time. it hurts the brain like yay.) I haven't done it all that many times, but it's always been 10x and usually with some residual weed. The snapping in is hyperawareness of physical state, to the extreme-autism-like state of sitting there and noticing for five minutes that my ass can feel the chair and points of body contact can feel one another. Inner reality or outer reality, I love the stuff but I'm glad it doesn't last very long.

09:50 / 02.09.04

So I finally ordered some Salvia today (thanks to ghandis) - not sure how long it'll take to arrive but once I've tried it I'll post up my results. I'm quite nervous to be honest, I bought the 10x extract and I've never taken it before - maybe if I just try a little I should be fine right? Right?

11:09 / 02.09.04

maybe if I just try a little I should be fine right? Right?

Depends what you're doing with it. I've only gone for the full 10X waterpipe shove you into another dimension for 5 minutes hit. Never smoked it like weed so dunno what that's like. If you're going to visit another dimension there is no halfway house. I'd reccomend having someone present to sit with you. Lie down for the duration of the trip. Don't try to do anything while you're displaced. How familiar are you with hallucinogens like acid and mushrooms? It has a different personality to them, but is equivalent to peaking on strong acid condensed into a few minutes with no lead in or come down involved. Straight in. Mad shit. Straight out.

11:43 / 02.09.04

Yeah that's what I'm worried about I've never done mushrooms or acid or many many other drugs.. I think I may try smoking it in a spliff to start with see if that does anything, I'll be with my housemate so I'll have someone to stop me climbing the walls...

It's not cheap though is it? Maybe I should have a salvia gathering? :P

12:10 / 02.09.04

Yeah, don't do it without having someone present to sit with you, and maybe have a couple of beers first to relax you into it. If you havent done any full on psychedelics before, be prepared for a fucking weird five minutes!

13:56 / 02.09.04

Bear...I wouldn't bother trying smoking it in a spliff first.It burns at a higher temperature than weed so you really need it in a bong (using one of those turbo lighters) You won't need much of the 10x. Just a pinch or so.

Like GL said, Do it with a friend or two, have a few beers, don't get too anxious about it. Enjoy yourself.

14:06 / 02.09.04

Apologies if this is linked above - haven't had time to go through whole thread - but here's a link to DM Turner's book on Saliva. Enjoy.

But you might want to read it after. Going the experience fresh as it were.

14:08 / 02.09.04

Let us know what sort of street you turn into.

14:10 / 02.09.04

I agree with Gypsy. Salvia is rather hardcore as a first psychedelic experience - but with the definite possibility of thorough 3rd eye squeegying!

I've been experimenting with Salvia weekly for a bit now, and have to say I am fairly amazed at how much consistency there is amongst the the various trip reports, and my own experiences - even more than with shrooms or acid.

It really is like there is a specific place that Salvia takes you ...

Fantastic stuff. How this has remained legal is beyond me, but HOORAY that it is!

14:33 / 02.09.04

Thanks for all the info and cheers for explaining to put a pinch in the bong, I thought you took it weed style...could have got messy.

I think the beer option sounds good, will give it a try on Saturday afternoon.

14:44 / 02.09.04

Actually the place where you got it Bear has a good forum. Might be an idea checking on there for ideas about dosage and the best ways to take it etc although like Ill says it's best not to read up too much on 'what to expect'

14:58 / 02.09.04

Agree with you on the commonality of experience cirranon. It really seems to play with notions of memory a lot.

Cheers for link Illmatic. This was very familiar...

'There is also an apparent reduction in boundaries, and the sensation that my "being" can literally enter and inhabit various objects, including inanimate ones. There have been numerous reports from people who have had
quite vivid and convincing experiences of becoming objects such as a dresser drawer.'

What sort of street indeed!!

15:07 / 02.09.04

THIS may be of interest...

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

19:09 / 03.09.04

To pipe up on the lucid dreaming angle, I've smoked Salvia a decent ammount and I am always rewarded by the most intense lucid dreams I've ever had.

Note, that that includes, on at least one occasion... horrible lucid nightmares from which I could somewhat control but not wake from. And everytime I changed things to be more peaceful, the dream would amp up to being even more horiffic.

Also note that I've never been able to acheive the "full on innerspace explosion" level trip, I've only ever reached a hyper-now state that feels like gnosis.

16:47 / 04.09.04

It's going well so far, I've only been taking little blasts of the stuff through a pipe I'll take a big hit later tonight when the booze wears off a little bit.

First thing I felt after taking (as did my housemate) was confusion, not confusion/terror - just a feeling that something wasn't quite right.

I'm watching Grease now not sure if that's a good idea or not.

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