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Grant Morrison's Batman

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
20:26 / 10.12.08
Rock of Ages and "Lock and Key", in a slightly different way. There's an interesting thing in that - the shortening cycle before DC tries to monetize its cool ideas for the future. Kingdom Come probably has a part to play in this, but over with the Green Lanterns the entire twilight of the Lanterns bit that Alan Moore put into three panels or so has finally found a writer able to pick it up and turn it into a multi-title arc (GEOFF! JOHNS!), and in many ways Final Crisis is, as you say, taking the dystopia of Rock of Ages and turning it into a multi-title event. Morrison is at least ripping himself off, which is something, but sometimes cool throwaway events work best as cool throwaway events.

Back on Batman - as I understand it, one of the consequences of Infinite Crisis was that we are no longer totally clear on what has happened and what has not happened to heroes in the past, because events have ben changed by the melding and sundering of the worlds and Mr. Mind's continuity-eating fun. So, the things that Batman is remembering in "Last Rites" are stories that previously had been written out as pre-Crisis - are they back in continuity? Or, just at the Batman of Zur-En-Arr becomes a fantasy induced to create a fallback personality, are these not recollections but imaginings, minglings of continuity and Lump-inserted fantasy? It seems pretty clear to me that this is the case, which again shows a strange parallelism between the stories - I'm wondering whether Batman R.I.P and Infinite Crisis Batman happenings were not originally an either/or, both of which were then commissioned, or if this is something clever with intertextuality and ambiguity.
 
 
Neon Snake
20:36 / 10.12.08
I'm reading it that these are all Silver Age stories that are not being brought back into continuity - Morrison finally putting down on the comic page his often voiced conceit that "all of the previous stories happened to the same guy".

Having said that, I recognise almost none of them bar the reference to Alfred's Outsider, so they might be completely fabricated and I'm just assuming they're old Silver Age tales.

I doubt, somehow, that we'll get any clear answer.

My understanding now of the Infinite Crisis/52 soft reboots is that, practically speaking, anything you've read in post-COIE continuity is definitely still valid, unless specifically contradicted.

At any point.
By any author.

Which is fine actually, since we have a built in get-out for any continuity flubs in the next few years.
 
 
Neon Snake
20:40 / 10.12.08
I'm wondering whether Batman R.I.P and Infinite Crisis Batman happenings were not originally an either/or, both of which were then commissioned, or if this is something clever with intertextuality and ambiguity.

Newsarama have just posted an interview with Dan Didio which indicates that the whole thing has been planned out all along, the links between RIP and Final Crisis included.

Which sounds fine on paper, but the comics do not read like that. They read like RIP has now concluded and finished, and we really need to get Batman into Final Crisis mode, so let's bang out a swift crossover issue to link the two.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
06:02 / 11.12.08
I've been following Dan Didio's antics elsewhere on the web, and it looks like he needs long rest somewhere quiet, somewhere far, far away from Batman, Superman, or any of the recent crises, for fear that he has one of his own.
 
 
juju eyeballs
17:47 / 12.12.08
It was a really bad idea to have RIP tie into Final Crisis that way. Especially considering the tpb market, how will DC collect RIP in trades? Include FC6 and a page of text explaining Final Crisis?
I was also annoyed by the constant hyping of the ending that will CHANGE EVERYTHING, and the insistence that it was essentially "a murder mystery". Surely, it's the events in Final Crisis that will change everything and lead into the Battle for the Cowl? And to me it didn't read like a murder mystery at all, it felt more like a paranoid thriller.
Disregarding all that though, I really liked the book. 681 had some cool action scenes and dialouge, and a satisfying (but not Invisibles-great) ending.

Also, I think it's relevant that I haven't read much Batman before. I've read Arkham Asylum, Gothic and The Dark Knight, and he did have a prominent role in Morrison's JLA, but beyond that? Not much, probably some random stories reprinted in norwegian magazines. It was really my first exposure to in-continuity Batman and some of the things that may seem played out to others, didn't to me (I realise that many of those complaits were regarding Morrison's reuse of his own tropes).

A disjointed story with annoying marketing, but essentially a good story, in my opinion.

oh, and I was one of those guys that read the invisibles and typed "the invisibles +grant morrison" into google and wound up here. Learned a lot and helped me understand more of The Invisibles, but I must admit, it was an intimidating place to post (more used to very casual boards, and it seemed like such a tight-knit circle of people posting) so I ended up lurking for most of the time.
 
 
Triplets
19:48 / 12.12.08
O'er on the Mindless Ones someone said, "don't they know that copy means 'the same as'", referring to the fact that cloning Batman's bat-meat might be a decent idea but duplicating that monstrous personality and drive? Not so.

There's also the fact that Batman has a bloody back-up personality in case he gets mindhacked. What happens when you copy his top-level personality but try to paint over it with Anti-Life?

Wild guess: we're going to see a seven nation army of Zur-En-Arrh batclones dying to kick Darkseid in his stony face.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:05 / 13.12.08
So 'Battle for the Cowl' will be Batman versus Zur-En-Ah Batman?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:26 / 13.12.08
About 'Battle For The Cowl' - who else conceivably wants the job, apart from dICK gRAYSON?

tHE JOKer, perhaps?

At the risk of sounding like I'm sitting here in a 'Babylon 5' t-shirt, on Wi-Fi in the facilities at Starbucks,* I am quite looking forward to reading the sales figures for BFTC.

Which seem like they might be noir-ish, gothic and harrowing, in a way that the comics involved ideally should be, but likely won't.



* In fact, it's a 'Venom' t-shirt, and a bar.
 
 
SiliconDream
17:37 / 13.12.08
Who wants the job of Batman at all? I'm not a Dick Grayson expert, but I'm pretty sure he's repeatedly said he doesn't want to inherit the legacy--he's doing something different as Nightwing and he's fine with that. Tim Drake's really the only Bat-family member who's historically been interested in following exactly in Bruce's footsteps. And even he's been rejecting that possibility in recent years, as in that Titans Tomorrow silliness with his angsty gun-wielding future Batself.

I can see Tim wanting to take over and make a good job of it, which is what he's more or less doing in his own book right now, a couple weirdos like Damian and Azrael wanting to take it over for less noble reasons, and then, yeah, the Joker and Lobo wanting to do it for the lulz.

But no other superheroes really spring to mind as competitors.

They should just make it a timeshare. Every couple of days a completely different person shows up at Justice League meetings in the Batsuit. When anyone asks him why s/he looks different s/he just mutters "52tulpas" and glares at them.

Occasionally no Batman shows up, and Hal Jordan takes that opportunity to zip into the bathroom and throw on the cape and cowl, as he's always dreamed of doing. But nobody ever accepts him as the Dark Knight! Why? Why?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:27 / 14.12.08
Nightwing was Batman briefly in the 90s then decided it was too much pressure, due to the limited number of stories that you can tell in this situation that doesn't mean the Batoffice would be above knocking him on the head with a plank so he forgets that and does it again for a while...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:52 / 14.12.08
Well, that was a temp job - as I mentioned a few pages back, it was the "Prodigal" storyline, which came out of "Knightfall'. After Azrael had been stripped of The Mantelpiece of the Bat, Grayson filled in while Bruce Wayne was getting his tone on. Grayson was actively annoyed that he hadn't been invited to adopt the etc of the quite in the first place, which Bruce Wayne rationalised as because he was his own man, but was in fact because he didn't want him to go up against Bane. Whereas, really, nobody gives a shit about Jean-Paul Valley.
 
 
juju eyeballs
21:01 / 15.12.08
Everyone's been talking about how much better this run would've been with better artists, such as Frank Quietly.
If that rumour guy over at cbr is correct, we'll see that after all the Battle for the Cowl-stuff:

Grant Morrison is indeed writing a monthly Batman book after “Final Crisis"/"Whatever Happened To…"/ "Battle For The Cowl" and the like have wrapped.


And the penciller?



Get ready.


DC people tell me it’s one Frank Quitely.



Quite, quite excellent. I’ve got a couple of Frank’s art pages from his previous Batbook “The Scottish Connection" hanging in my hall. I doubt I’ll be able to afford any more now.


Yes, he is already working on it. Obviously.


link
 
 
Automatic
23:03 / 15.12.08
Fingers crossed that Jamie Grant's working on this too...
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
00:33 / 16.12.08
Bodes well for the quality of the material...

Bodes badly for the release schedule...

FQ is incapable of producing this comic on a monthly basis. While I would like to believe that Didio will let the schedule slide, I fear that Igor Korday is sharpening his pencils in readiness...
 
 
andrewdrilon
05:53 / 16.12.08
Agreed with Automatic. I hope Jamie Grant's on this as well. I'd love to see his coloring approach to Batman, in contrast to his candy-bright palette on ASS.
 
 
Spaniel
08:23 / 16.12.08
One wonders whether Morrison made a deal: I'll rewrite Final Crisis, you give me some bloody quality artists.

Maybe not.

Whatever, I am quite literally overjoyed at this news.
 
 
iamus
15:10 / 16.12.08
 
 
andrewdrilon
20:32 / 16.12.08
Yes Yus Yes!
 
 
dark horse
22:31 / 16.12.08
One wonders whether Morrison made a deal: I'll rewrite Final Crisis, you give me some bloody quality artists.

seems pretty likely, of course we can never know (until the memoires!) but it does no harm to speculate and i think this could be OTM!
 
 
HCE
04:22 / 17.12.08
I'd love to see somebody from completely out of left field brought in on this, like Chester Brown! Somebody start that rumour and see if we can make it happen!!!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:14 / 17.12.08
What I think would be really good is if a couple of people who work at DC could be persuaded to have a few drinks and then tell Rich Johnston that John Byrne's going to draw an arc, when George returns to 'Batman'

(This'll be meaningless to those who don't follow behind the scenes comics gossip as if it was The Archers, but JB's been up to his old tricks again, saying bad things about Marvel - a return to DC might be considered a just about plausible explanation for the great man's latest outburst).
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
15:41 / 17.12.08
I'd love to see somebody from completely out of left field brought in on this, like Chester Brown!

If he could handle Riel and fill that story with such passion and emotion, he could handle the Bat...
 
 
dark horse
22:18 / 17.12.08
who is chester brown?
 
 
andrewdrilon
03:25 / 18.12.08
Chester Brown is an awesome indie cartoonist from the Drawn & Quarterly bunch. He did Louis Riel and Ed the Happy Clown, among other things.

Batman by Grant Morrison and Chester Brown. I'm sure it'd be fun.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
17:50 / 18.12.08
Fun? Why, that's brilliant.

Batman without Batman. You want a comic that deals directly with Bruce Wayne's psychosis, there it is.
 
 
dark horse
21:41 / 18.12.08
has chester brown ever done any superheroe stuff?
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
18:38 / 23.12.08
I've just found this in Geoff Klock's blog, pretty interesting:

Morrison's Batman vs Miller's Batman

Sorry if it has been linked before.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:52 / 24.12.08
Aaah, this stuff is always fun... "Here, I will prove that Frank Millar is better than Grant Morrison with science!"
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
19:07 / 25.12.08
Reading the latest ish...

I can't help but feel that Rich Johnston's predictions of Batman becoming a God of the 5th world were in fact, at one point true.

Still, we have closure to a lot of points from R.I.P. and some stuff that has me drooling for Final Crisis #6.

Well, I mean, not literally, that would be gross.

There are obviously some recent Morrison tropes re-used here, (strange Phoenix/Batman parallels, for instance) but overall he's done the spectacular act of making me Believe in Batman. Something no other writer who has ever touched the character has managed. And we get to see the Batman who resulted from RIP, the Batman who made friends with the darkness like Batmite said and who still manages to carry along the best traits of humanity - albiet in a completely different way than Grant's Superman.
 
 
s_kid
20:06 / 25.12.08
theres a panel in 681 where Bats is in the torture chamber where the silhouette of the chamber looks like orions helmet...sent juicy shudders down my spine. 682 - great issue. now an agonising three weeks to final crisis 6. But with Superman Beyond and #7 hot on its heels January will be a blast if all goes to plan. Does anyone know how much of next weeks FC - Secret Files will be written by GM?
 
 
Benny the Ball
00:00 / 26.12.08
There weren't many surprises in this issue, a lot of stuff that was suggested here was to be found there, but I really enjoyed it - it had a great sense of power and an epicness that was just a pleasure to read. The art wasn't great, but the intention was enough.
 
 
SiliconDream
00:50 / 26.12.08
This issue's resolution was a bit too close to Mister Miracle's escape from the Life Trap for my taste, but I did appreciate the difference in their approaches.

Mister Miracle: "I can escape from anything! Come with me, friend!"

Batman: "Well, you're doomed, can't help you there. But if you help me, I'll obsess over your memory and wreak dark vengeance in your name! It's kind of my specialty."
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:18 / 27.12.08
I just found this in Geoff Klock's blog, pretty interesting

Well, if you were Geoff Klock's mother, I suppose.

I'd be surprised if Frank Miller's read anything by anybody else, comics-wise, in a very long time. So why would he care about what a new bug, a tic, like Morrison thinks about Batman, or much of anything else, beyond perhaps bitterly observing Morrison's easy way with the fans, and his fashion sense, at conventions? The premise of the blog is dysfunctional, I fear.

(With apologies CS, if you are in fact Geoff Klock)

Not much to say about the latest 'Batman'; it'll all shake out, or not (I'm guessing not) in Final Crisis #6!
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
17:19 / 29.12.08
Nah, I'm not the guy (or his mother). Anyways, the part I found interesting isn't the "LOOK YOU GUYS! MILLER IS TOTALLY BETTER THAN MORRISON!", but the stuff about the two writers taking shots at each other and all the cross-referentiality.

Even if, as you say, Miller didn't intend them, which is probably true. But, you know, "death of the author" and all that.
 
 
Bandini
07:23 / 11.03.09
Frank Quitely and Grant Morrison doing A Batman and Robin comic -

Batman and Robin
 
  

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