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Papess
12:25 / 27.10.07
My son and I were discussing the intelligent design or lack of, as the case may be, of children's toys. He asked me what I thought of Purse Pals, and we both agreed they were indeed, stupid.

My son asks me then about why, why would anyone make such a toy? So, I explained to my little man the twisted logic of such a toy and the possible inspiration of a recent trend, in which pop star divas carry their little dogs in their purses.

Upon hearing this, my son in complete revulsion exclaimed, "Eww...Can you imagine how their purses must smell?!"


I don't know if parenting gets easier, but it sure as hell can get funnier.
 
 
HCE
14:10 / 27.10.07
I'd like to put in a request for parents to share more funny things their kids say. It's a regular feature on a friend's LJ and I always enjoy it.
 
 
Sekhmet
21:16 / 28.10.07
Okay, Alice is now six weeks old and I finally have time to jump back into this thread while she is sleeping. Thank the gods for the post-feeding coma, however short-lived.

sorenson, have you had any more success with the fussy baby issue? It seems that the only thing that will do for Ally, when awake, is to be held by a person and in constant motion. Otherwise she wails. She shuns swings, and while she will fall asleep in the car (usually) it seems to be under protest, as she screeches her little lungs out initially and I am not certain that the ensuing state of sleep is not actually her passing out from oxygen deprivation.

That said, she has a lovely period every morning for an hour or so where she is happy and cooing and interactive and likes to play a game she has invented that we call "Reach for Kisses." And she is of course the most beautiful thing on the planet. I never understood what parental love was like until they put her on my chest in the delivery room and my heart explodey on the instant.
 
 
_Boboss
19:54 / 29.10.07
sorry if i'm being a little duh here, but she sounds a bit colicy? there's lots of remedies, drops and things, none of which, sadly, are guaranteed to work. i'm sure you've thought of that already, that was very granny sucks eggs of me i'm sure..
 
 
Sekhmet
20:15 / 29.10.07
I think she doesn't qualify as colicky simply because she's not "inconsolable" - my understanding is that with true colic there's nothing you can do to make it stop. Generally you can get her soothed by carrying her a bit bouncily while talking or singing, though it may take awhile. In some cases it's gas, of course, and we do use drops for that.

I do wish she spent more of her awake time being cheerful, though; when she is happy and comfy she generally falls asleep, so she seems in my slightly addled perception to have only three settings: asleep, eating and crying. Probably normal for being not even two months old yet.

I have to admit I have had next to no experience with babies (make that no experience, really) until having one of my own and I didn't realize quite how hard it would be, especially seeing as I'm on my own with her during workdays and I'm trying to work from home - it's nearly impossible unless she's napping. I'm stressed out and tired, and I'm very disappointed in myself, since I can't seem to keep her happy or get work done or keep the house in order, and everything seems to be in chaos. Hubby does help when he's home, but for eight or nine hours every weekday I'm simply on my own, and I deal with her all night as well, except on weekends when he sometimes takes a feeding or two.

I wish I could just focus 100% on her and appreciate this time - everyone keeps telling me to enjoy it while it lasts - but I don't really find much to "enjoy" about it so far. I end up getting quite frustrated when I'm trying to get work done and she starts screaming yet again.

I feel like a horrible mum.
 
 
_Boboss
20:55 / 29.10.07
well, you certainly don't sound like a horrible mum. you sound as if you're doing an extremely difficult job in very trying circumstances. (why isn't dad doing 50%(+) of the night feeds? you're at the stage where you're going to be vulnerable to PND, and it sounds like you need to be getting more uninterrupted sleep.)

might be helpful to remember, sometimes babies cry whatever you do, and their own feelings at such times are really less important than yours - you're the one who sounds like you might be really sufferingthe little one's just doing what little ones do. the helpful mantra at such times is 'it's just a phase'. equally true for both the good bits and the bad bits, more necessary for retaining your sanity during the bad, of course.

if at all financially possible, put the work on the backburner (maybe just until the evenings?) and worry about the minute-by-minute chores and comforting the pod in the day. get dad to put her in the pushchair and go for a long walk on the weekend to give you a chance to catch up. sorry, i'm really not very good at lecturing or giving advice or what have you. basically all i mean to say is 'good luck' and maybe 'don't be too hard on yourself'. cliches come cheap over here tonight apprantly...
 
 
sorenson
21:16 / 29.10.07
hi Sekhmet! congratulations! the love is amazing, isn't it - there are many things i couldn't have foreseen, but the strength of the love is definitely the most intense.

wow, i have so much to say i don't even know where to start...

firstly, to answer your direct question, now that Arlo is 3 and a bit months he has settled down quite a lot. but he is still a terrible sleeper (wakes about every hour overnight). as he's got older though he's had more of those awake happy periods during the day - so hang in there, i reckon they will come! we did buy a book about fussy babies, but ultimately the advice came down to 'hold your baby a lot, de-prioritise other stuff, and try to remember that things change - live in the moment and do what it takes to get through it'. which is pretty much what we have been doing.

it sounds to me like you are stuck in a really common situation - your baby doesn't sound unusually fussy to me. newborn babies are really fucking hard work, much harder than i ever imagined. your baby isn't unusual in wanting to be held and rocked - if you think about it from your baby's point of view if makes perfect sense given the close, warm, constantly moving environment they've just transitioned from. we couldn't have survived (still couldn't survive) without a sling and a fit ball - you might find this a good way to get some work done. put the baby in the sling and sit on the ball in front of the computer and she will sleep and you can get some work done (we don't work but we do both spend a lot of time in front of the computer). but really i'm with Thor - i would ditch the work if you can possibly afford to, at least until she is about three months. we even went as far as getting a cleaner once a week just to do things like vacuum and clean the toilet, just to take a little of the burden off us.

i have a bit of a thing at the moment about being annoyed with the way our culture expects women to be at home on their own all day with a baby, and then manage it all night as well because their partner is sleeping. it's so totally unrealistic and unfair. i don't have anything to offer on that except my absolute empathy and annoyance! i think it's no wonder that PND is rampant. babies need lots of people around them - parents, aunts, grandparents, friends - and i think it is a terrible tragedy the way western culture has conspired to isolate women and babies at a time when they need people around them more than any other.

it sounds to me like you are doing a fantastic job in trying circumstances. keep up the good work! and believe me when i say it does change - it definitely gets easier. and the baby gets more enjoyable too - now that Arlo is laughing and interactive he is a lot more fun to be around. there is a theory that i quite like, which is that because humans started walking on two feet, which changed the shape of the pelvis, the compromise is that our babies are born about three months early relative to other similar mammals. so you can think of the first three months of life as a 'fourth trimester', in which the baby's needs are pretty similar to what they were in the womb - to be held close, fed frequently, rocked a lot. And I have certainly noticed that even Arlo, who was always a very wakeful and engaged baby, has really come into the world much more since he hit three months.

of course now that we are that magic three months that i keep banging on about, we are expecting another one any day! i am now 39 weeks pregnant...crikey.
 
 
Papess
21:22 / 29.10.07
I feel like a horrible mum.

Stop that right now! You are not a horrible mum! Of course it is not easy. It is never easy. If someone tells you that they had a cakewalk caring for an infant they are lying.

Sekhmet, keep your spirits up, you are experiencing natural frustrations. It is okay. Also, your child can feel what you are feeling. As hard as it is to decipher what the child feels, they can pick up on what you feel very well. They have just spent nearly a year inside you, so that should be pretty reasonable. Also, they do cry for a reason. They can't talk so they cry, right? For all you know she may just want to have a conversation with you!

You may want to try this. I wish I had it when my little guy was a baby.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:53 / 29.10.07
Sekhmet, you are not a horrible Mum and your baby loves you and needs you very much.
 
 
Cailín
01:45 / 30.10.07
My sister and her partner had a routine when their baby wasn't sleeping through the night and was fussy. She was fed by dad when he got home from work every night, and one night on the weekends, he spent the night on the sofa with the baby (they set up a baby cot thingy in the den). This way, mum gets a little time to herself every night, and one good night of uninterrupted sleep each week. She said it helped a lot, and the baby was less apt to cry all the time because everybody was happier.
 
 
electric monk
03:03 / 30.10.07
You're not a horrible mum, Sekhmet, but you do sound as if you're overwhelmed. Can Hubby lend more of a hand? Because this:

Hubby does help when he's home, but for eight or nine hours every weekday I'm simply on my own, and I deal with her all night as well, except on weekends when he sometimes takes a feeding or two.

...well, it doesn't really sit right with me. There's definitely room for Hubby to step in here, IMHO. Please do talk to him and let him know how you feel.

If he needs convincing, let him know that you have it on good authority (mine) that nighttime baby feedings can be filled with a quiet bliss that is unmatched anywhere, and that he should get in on it while the gettin's good.
 
 
Sekhmet
15:43 / 30.10.07
monk, he would certainly do it if I asked him to, but I'm trying to make sure one of us is fully functional... he has a pretty demanding job and we can ill afford for him to get fired for being overtired and making mistakes. He did help with night feedings during the first three weeks when he was on paternity leave and he loved it. The theory is that if I need extra rest I can get some during the day when she is sleeping, but of course I never sleep during the day - I end up doing work or laundry or trying to pay some attention to our poor dogs.

Please don't get the wrong idea - hubby has been doing most of the cleaning and cooking, and he always offers to help. TBH, a lot of this has come about because I'm not very good about accepting help and have a tendency to try to do everything myself.

We actually did have a discussion about this and I think we're going to re-prioritize... I'm not going to try to work as many hours, and he is going to take full charge of the baby in the evenings so that I can get some things done and/or get some rest. This way I should be able to focus more on her during the day and not spend the whole time worrying about other things I need to do, which should make me more patient with her.

Cailin, we might also have him take a whole night with her on the weekends, that's a great idea. We have a twin bed in the baby's room, and I end up sleeping on it most of the time - generally co-sleeping with the sprog, actually, because we both tend to fall asleep during night feedings.

THOR, sorenson, I wish I could stop working entirely for the duration, but we really do need for me to have some income. I have been lucky enough to find a job I can do from home and part time, but they needed me to start immediately, so I am making the sacrifice now in order to be allowed to remain home with Alice instead of putting her in daycare.

I am feeling more optimistic now. Thanks everyone for the input and encouragement, and best luck sorenson with the impending arrival. I don't envy you dealing with two at once, though!
 
 
electric monk
16:24 / 30.10.07
I'm very glad to hear all that, Sekhmet. Sorry if I was overly harsh on your hubby. I think I read into what you'd written a little more than I should have. Mea culpa.



And congrats, sorenson!
 
 
Spaniel
20:16 / 30.10.07
Congrats Sekhmet, and hello Alice.

You don't sound anything like a bad mum, you sound like a human being dealing with one of life's biggest challenges.

It really will get easier.
 
 
Proinsias
00:53 / 31.10.07
This may run slightly contrary to the attachment parenting and we only have one child so it is possible no matter what route we took we were blessed with an easy maintenance child, but anyway:

Sleeping: My father's advice after six weeks of newborn sleep deprivation 'if they are changed, fed and watered let them scream'* we done this for three nights. The crying went from from three hours to two hours to non-existent and has remained so for four years. If we have guests in she will cry her heart out as she knows we will crack and get her up if she sounds distraught enough. Background noise is also a factor, my wife's parents advised vacuuming around her shortly after she has gone to sleep making no attempts to restrict noise around her, even exaggerate, for at least a few weeks. We have created a child that is better at sleeping than me+beer. We do allow for exceptions but ensure they are not ongoing. For example, If she is ill and cannot sleep we watch Miyazaki movies whilst I do what I can to relieve the problem, as soon as she has recovered there will be one or two painful nights which do not involve her getting back out of bed to watch cartoons.

I strongly believe in the 'happy parent(s), happy children' line of thought and I know that a few days of being a bastard has helped me enjoy my time with my daughter far more.

As far as the work thing goes, It can't really be avoided. Just try to make it as equal as possible. When I was at uni and working nights I really didn't feel up to looking after my daughter a lot of the time but I done it for the sake of my wife's sanity and now wouldn't swap it for the world, looking back she now regrets alot of the time she delegated to me then - emotions have swapped places from 'I've had enough of this' to 'thank god for those times'for both of us.
Sekhmet: Do you have any potential babysitters? I recall planning to have the wee one stay with grandparents so we could have a nice meal or hit the town and then just sleeping for twelve hours instead, it was heaven. Again I think I may be blessed with wonderful grandparents/parents but friends can often be called in when needed.

Good luck and apologies for ranting.

Last but not least, I realise that you will never get this time back with your kid but it really does get better and better and better as they grow up - at least until four, if it goes downhill from there I'll let you know but so far there is no indication.

*I have read there is no, physical, issue in regards to this with girls but boys after several hours can rupture important things down below if they become exceptionally worked up.
 
 
Spaniel
12:08 / 31.10.07
Something that is worth bearing in mind about letting children cry is that it doesn't always work. I've just spent a week with friends who have been doing exactly that with their little 'un (now a year old). After three easy, sleep-filled months the child, post illness, has reverted to a state of multiple night time screaming sessions. In fact their kid cries for attention considerably more than ours (hardly ever), and seems to be far less interactive.

Okay, I'm not sure all of that (any of it?) can be put down to the way they manage their nights, but it was interestig to see, because the way they had been talking previously suggested that they had everything sussed.

Of course, doing things our way hasn't been without its challenges, some of which are ongoing and frustrating and demand a lot of patience from us as parents*. We have still yet to spend a night away from the tiny beast, for example, and evenings out for my wife are still, on the whole, a no no. That said, we do have a very happy, very playful, extremely lively and communicative little boy, who sleeps very well of an evening, so we must be doing something right.

Sorry if I sound all combative, I don't mean to. It's just that I instinctively cleave to a very child-centric mode of parenting, and worry that the discussion (not this specific one) seems to be skewed towards emphasising the parents needs, and I can't help wondering whether that's a product of our self-obsessed culture**. I certainly don't think baby training is evil - in many instances it's very likely the only option for all kinds of reasons - and I appreciate that it comes is variety of different flavours, some considerably gentler than others. I'm also aware that the way my partner and I do things is greatly facilitated by living hugely privileged lives.


*And yeah, I agree with Prosinias, that's the key. If you're climbing the walls there's no way on Earth that's going to be good for your child, no matter what your parenting strategy

**Not saying that everyone that goes in for baby training is self-obsessed
 
 
Papess
12:27 / 31.10.07
There is a really delicate balance between what is good for the parent and what is good for the child, that is needed. However, the sacrifices should always remain on the parent to burden. That said, I also agree with Prosinias that a parent has to take care of their own needs too. If though, several hours have gone by and the baby still is crying, that is not good for either parent or child.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
12:29 / 31.10.07
But that's the thing with children isn't it; as soon as you think you have everything sussed out you can bet your life something new is creeping up on you!

Surfing the Waves of Chaos, is what I used to call it.

A few good weeks, then the first colds, again a few good weeks: first teeth coming through, another cold, post-vacation anarchy, etc etc..
 
 
Spaniel
12:38 / 31.10.07
Soooo soooo true
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
13:32 / 31.10.07
Our son, who is 2 1/2 now, has a happy cheerful character but is maybe a bit headstrong, had an interesting phase a while ago.

We put him to bed normally, without too much difficulty, but then when we went upstairs to bed ourselves we would usually find him asleep in the strangest places. Often at the top of the stairs (yes we have a safety gate), but also on the floor in his room and once even under his bed..

He would be sound asleep and we would just put him back to bed. He hasn't done that for some months though.
 
 
Spaniel
14:59 / 31.10.07
Check this shit out.

The other day I was flitting between the living room and the kitchen in an effort to keep an eye on the Bosun and make his lunch. After a prolonged stint at the stove, I returned to the lounge to find that he'd moved a chair from under the desk, climbed it, clambered onto the desk above, reached up to the shelf above that (he would've had to have sttod on the table), grabbed his pots of playdough, clambered down, removed a nested table from it's stack, opened the pots, and proceeded to play with the playdough on the now-unnested table.

He's fucking nineteen and a half months

I didn't know whether to clap or freak out. In the end I think I settled for a good gibber.
 
 
Olulabelle
16:23 / 31.10.07
Boboss, the fact that your is child climbing is not that big a deal. We used to be apes.
 
 
grant
16:44 / 31.10.07
We're having a problem with the boy (2.5, almost) getting his own food and milk out of the fridge whenever he wants it.

He's not very good about 1. closing the fridge door and 2. not spilling the soy milk when he drinks it straight from the carton. I'm not sure about the cow milk - maybe he's better at erasing the traces with that bottle, or maybe it's just usually so heavy he has to get one of us to pour it into something.
 
 
Olulabelle
17:07 / 31.10.07
Is it possible for you to pour a bit in a cup and keep the cup in thef ridge for him? Then he wouldn't a/ drink the milk from the carton and b/ spill it.

I don't know about the door. Our door beeps at us when it's been left open.
 
 
Spaniel
19:32 / 31.10.07
Boboss, the fact that your is child climbing is not that big a deal. We used to be apes.

Reaction number 1: "how dare you suggest that my child isn't brilliant"

Reaction number 2: "Am I supposed to think that you would have been happy with your son engaging in that kind of activity unsupervised?"

Reaction number 3: "Deep breath"

Reaction number 4: "To be chillaxing. Lula's just trying to bring some perspective"

Reaction number 5: "I still think it was quite impressive and a bit scary, but maybe not as impressive or scary as I remember it"

Inside a parent's branehead.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:09 / 31.10.07
Yes, perspective. After all, he is a human being and the human race is famed for being jolly clever and pretty big on learning to do things.

Also he's one and a half. That's big in baby terms but parents never say it like that, it's always about months. I suppose it sounds a lot younger when you say nineteen months.

Not that I'm trying to rain on your brilliant kid parade, which obviously all parents are entitled to, however nauseous it may make those around us feel. Don't forget that we all think that though. Our own kids are always the prettiest, nicest, cleverest rah, rah, rah. You never hear a parent saying how unlovely their own child is, at least until they get to be teenagers. Then, I hear, it all swings the other way and we'll wish we never had them.

Joy.
 
 
Proinsias
22:18 / 31.10.07
That is my big fear lula. My wife was apparently the best child you could hope for until she hit her teens when she morphed into a walking irrational argument. I on the other hand was a hellish child to the age of eight or so, my mum reckons I got a lifetimes worth of aggression out my system in those eight years.

My plan is that the wee one will inherit my wife's early years and my teenage years, since I've got the bestest child in the whole world it shouldn't be too much to expect.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:46 / 31.10.07
Reaction number 5: "I still think it was quite impressive and a bit scary, but maybe not as impressive or scary as I remember it"

I don't see what's unimpressive, when your kid shows that amount of practical reason for the first time you should be impressed and pleased, as long as you know you're being all fatherly it's cool. He's developing logic and independence, I know adults who aren't bright enough to stand on a table when they need to.

Perhaps it's time to keep the playdough a bit closer to the earth though.
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
07:28 / 01.11.07
That is a nice one Boboss. Looks like you will have your hands full!
I remember that 1 1/2 is the age where they have the words 'No Fear' stamped on their forehead. Anything goes.
In a couple of bruises time, towards 2, he will start to be more careful.

When our boy was that age I remember that suddenly we had to start teaching him that certain things he just shouldn't do because they are dangerous. That was hard, as he normally doesn't want to listen. But things like walking off the pavement onto the street, he immediately gets punished for that, and that worked fine. Now he has reached the point that he is more aware of danger, and we can trust him a bit better.
 
 
Spaniel
09:40 / 01.11.07
Don't forget that we all think that though

Never forgot it. I don't think I was competing so much as sharing my awe at what at the time was quite an exciting event. I mean, it did only happen on Monday afternoon so it was pretty fresh in the memory.

It is truly the age of danger, tho', and the Bosun is a one of those kids that likes to take it by the horns and then some. He's continuously covered in bruises - in fact a month or so ago his face was so covered with bashes and blemishes that I was genuinely worried people would think we beat him, or that we're really shitty parents.

He's starting to get the message about safety, but it's a slow process.

In other news, last night Bobosso and I presented Bosun with a dark room and an illuminated jack-o'-lantern. His first reaction was curiosity combined with trepidation - wanted to look and to communicate, but not get too close. Later, however, post the lights being raised, we could see that he was getting increasingly anxious, every few seconds glancing over at the lantern lurking in the corner of the room. After a few minutes his anxiety had turned into outright fear with him refusing to open his eyes, and subsequently burying his head in our respective shoulders and gripping onto us for dear life. It was really quite disturbing, but also intriguing because his terror was clearly a product of thoughts and imagination - he built it up in his own mind - rather than simply a fight or flight response.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:42 / 01.11.07
Has anyone considered the kid might be telekinetic?
 
 
Spaniel
11:04 / 01.11.07
Or an indigo child
 
 
Sjaak at the Shoe Shop
11:08 / 01.11.07
I had to look that one up, but apparently that is quite likely as 97% of all children under 10 are supposed to be indigo children.
Telekinesis seems like the thing to go for then.
 
 
Papess
11:11 / 01.11.07
I think they are called "Crystal Children" now. Not sure why, but so I have read.
 
 
Spaniel
11:17 / 01.11.07
Below 10 all children are magic.
 
  

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