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Okay, so what did you say, phex?
I didn't draw paralells between the peace movement in BsG and the real life one, they're more like the people who opposed war with Nazi Germany than the millions who protested against Iraq.
...which is weird, because one thing I’ve sometimes heard said about the millions who protested against Iraq is that they’re like the people who opposed war with Nazi Germany. So, y’know, that’s a pretty charged comparison for you to draw before insisting that you don't think there should be protests and alternative views all over, er, battlestar galactica. As you say, there certainly were people and groups who protested against WW2. So, to be clear, you’re only telling us that you think that anyone would be wrong to object to *this* war with *these* cylons, not that people shouldn’t be shown as protesting. And given that, you're happy with this particular set of peaceniks being portrayed as idiots, because...
if they were to gain popular support it would mean combination genocide/suicide for humanity.
But most people in the fleet don’t know what the Cylons want or whether they are *only* interested in exterminating humanity, or if a surrender/peace can be negotiated. Any information that Adama etc do have about the Cylons has been tightly controlled. And you don’t actually know what they want either, Phex, although the actions of the Cylons so far have kinda indicated - to the audience, at least - that they’re interested in humanity, and that ‘they have a plan’ rather than, say, a final solution, to use your nazi thing. So, I’m saying that people all over the fleet should be asking these sort of questions, and I think you’re just giving me your answer to that question, that you, personally, would happily leap into a viper and shoot toasters. Is that right?
It's fair enough, that's you, but personally I’m more agreeing with sleaze about the clumsy and cackhanded approach to the complexities of many of these political issues. The only people that we get to see even thinking about different ways of achieving peace in the entire fleet are this bunch of murderous idiots? Pah.
And, on
That's why I wouldn't characterise the motivations of the peace movement as 'natural'- it runs counter to the survival of the entire fleet.
... I’ll try this once more, because you’ve rather picked out ‘natural’ there. Maybe it’s not what you’d do, but it’s to be expected that there’ll always be some people who want to explore a non-military option in a time of war. There’ll always be people who won’t actually want to fight to their last drop of blood and might prefer to be on the losing side and alive, rather than fighting and being destroyed. There wouldn’t be any need for propaganda otherwise. Y'know, for the longest time I think I was enjoying BSG because it seemed to be pro the virtues of running away rather than those of standing and fighting. |
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