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Battlestar Galactica Season 2 US Thread (SPOILERS)

 
  

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sleazenation
19:47 / 20.08.05
I prefer 'hybrids' - but we don't yet know how true that term is - have we actually seen an autopsy performed on one of them yet?
 
 
sleazenation
20:07 / 20.08.05
As for Boomer - she's pregnant - or at least claims to be, and the child is at least half-human - I think even the crew of the galactica would hesitate before killing a pregnant woman...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:38 / 22.08.05
I'm rather wary, having watched 2x06, of how the military, first Tigh and now Adama, are ceeding so much power to Rosslyn. It seems more that they are doing so because the writers can see no other way to keep Rosslyn, Lee, Starbuck and the others as part of the story without it, but the whole "the family needs to be whole" again message, gah. Now, I have no problem with the balance of power slipping the other way, so that the President has real power, not just the figurehead status that Adama was letting her have last season. But he never cared for Earth, he said at the end of the mini that he was just saying it to give people hope, he doesn't need Roslyn to find any information on Kobol because he was 'given the co-ordinates as a Battlestar commander', another lie he made in the mini. Is this, in the end, all about him wanting Lee back?

I hope we see some idea of where the Cylon masterplan is going soon, because to withdraw the base star from Kobol yet leave Cylons on the planet seems odd strategic thinking, if they are shepherding the humans in a direction I don't see where the half-arsed random attacks get the Cylons, just let them find the tomb and be done with it, or sweep in and kill them all.

Oddly, I don't find a Lee/Starbuck relationship as bad as I once might. Perhaps it's Starbuck's abuse issues which preinsure it won't go smoothly.
 
 
fluid_state
15:05 / 25.08.05
I found this on another forum, and thought I'd share it for laughs. There aren't many laughs on this show...

"I'm from Alabama so I feel very comfortable using this stereotype, but has anybody else noticed that Adama is kinda like a Redneck going through a divorce?
Case in point:
He has a big fight with his wife because she started using drugs and has taken up with all that Bible learnin'. They split up and he has her arrested for stealing his prize sports car.
In the middle of all this he gets shot by his kid's crazy friend who is always hanging out with the local mechanic. It's like something you'd see on COPS, right? Maybe that would explain the shaky camera.
His oldest son leaves to go live with mom and her new, ex-con boyfriend and his oldest daughter runs away to shack up with a dumb-as-dirt sports jock. Meanwhile, he leaves his other kids in the care of drunk Uncle Saul and his harpy wife while he tries to get his shit together.
He spends some time moping around until his young but wise-beyond-her-years housekeeper tells him to stop being a whiney baby and try to get along with the Mrs., if only for the kiddie's sake.
Throw in the ever present undercurrent of possible incest between aforementioned son and daughter and you've got yourselves a Blue Collar TV soap opera right there."
 
 
sleazenation
07:41 / 28.08.05
So, it looks like the people who didn't think balter had a chip in him were right.

and it looks like i was right, in a roundabout sort of a way, about six not carrying a child.

Ho hum - much of everything else failed to convince, but such is the problem when dealing with prophesies. There inevitably comes a tipping point where an invisible guiding hand becomes evident, but that is the hand of the writers rather than the hand of god. And the movements of that had seems to be getting more mechanical (or ex mechinal) and less convincing with each passing episode.
 
 
Tom Coates
11:39 / 28.08.05
I don't understand why everyone's taking the prophecies at face value. This is a show with ships that travel faster than light and robots creating biological frameworks and trying to breed with humans. Full on body-horror, war-combat science fiction. But it's science fiction nonetheless. Given that, we have to assume that there's something going on with those prophecies - someone wrote them, for a particular purpose, either because they were on Kuvala root and could see the future, in which case it's not really religion as much as it is literature passed down, or there's some bit of time travel going on. But do we trust the person who wrote those books? Why do the Cylons feel so strongly about it too? What's goin gon with their conception of godhood? Who plants the seeds of this particular struggle? Did a Cylon write the prophecies?
 
 
sleazenation
13:39 / 28.08.05
I think people are taking the prophesies so seriously because we are close to 1.5 series in and we haven't seen them seriously questioned yet. I can't recall a single instance off the top of my head where the prophesies have been found wanting or inaccurate to any large degree - can anyone else? In an evidence-based analysis, the prophesies, no matter how bizarre and far fetched they seem, do seem to have been borne out by what has happened.

My fear is that the stronger than average scientific under-pinnings (the pressing need for fuel and resources) of this sci-fi show are going to pissed on by cod-religious philoso-babble.

Thus my disappointment at the 'love is the fifth element' revelation that cylons can only concieve with humans if they both wuv each other very much... There is wiggle room to for it to be revealed later that preggers-Sharon actually recieved human ovary implants to enable her to concieve, but we have no evidence of that yet.

Oh, and by the by. Given what we know so far (and this may or may not count for much, it is an open debate to what extent the writers are narrating in good faith.) It seems very unlikely that the Cylons wrote the scrolls which pre-date the first human-cylon war.

As I think Tom is alluding to, the Cylons appear to be monothistic whereas the humans are polytheistic...

I have another fear that the series' writers are planning to advance the view of a omnipotent singular 'god'.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:56 / 28.08.05
i find the complaints a little curious, as well.

to me it's just a good old science fiction yarn with some mythology. i'm actually impressed that they are even touching a mono vs. poly debate on television.

now i'm more and more curious to find out what the deal is with the Kobol lords, and who they were exactly. they had the tech to make some weird map room kind of thing that gives you a vision. it reminds me more and more of Illium/Olympos by Dan Simmons, actually.

with TV SF, I don't expect it to ever hang together with complete consistency. This show is the smartest and most linear SF has been in years, and I'm happy for that. it doesn't tease like X-Files and, dare I say, Lost. It sets things up, gives you an answer, and sets more up.

regarding the prophecies...it's just part of the show. Religion and mythology are a big part of the plot and hook of the show. I'm sure at some point, something will come along to throw that into question, but right now, they are still establishing it in the universe.

and Adama, Tigh, and Zarek have ALL questioned the validity of the religious prophecies. That's why Adama let Roslin and her supporters leave anyway. That's why he wouldn't let Starbuck go back for the arrow. It's why he arrested Roslin in the first place. so there has actually been quite a bit of questioning.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:44 / 28.08.05
Actually love isn't the 5th element, if I understood it correctly, it's just what they were using as a thesis at the time.

So the twelve tribes are the pre-Christian Roman Empire, with the Cylons as Christianity?

And look at Baltar, it's as I said, yet again we have Six jerking him around for an episode and at the end, despite what she said, we're really back at the status quo once more. Watch this episode without their scenes and you miss nothing at all. And when the Cylons put a chip in Baltar's head, I assume they would have made sure it was undetectable by human science. I assume this isn't the script-writers going back on something that was established earlier, unless they really are planning to remake the episodes where the devil turns up.

B5 explained prophecy by sending Sinclair back to the past to write it. I can't see time travel being involved here because they're advanced but not that advanced. Maybe. And I don't think the Cylons have been around long enough for them to inviegle themselves into human culture and create prophecy. Of course, there might be someone else out there, manipulating both humand and cylons, after all, in the original version the Cylons were ruled by a big brainy thing that didn't look anything like a Cylon.
 
 
Bed Head
20:38 / 28.08.05
Wow, reading this is weird. I think I’ve been taking it as a given that the entire religious prophesy scenario thing is being pushed by the Cylons. The thing I took away from last night’s episode is the line "we know more about your religion than you do" - the implication that they’ve spent the 40-year gap since the war researching and plotting. What’s it say in the titles every week? And they have a plan. A ginormous, universe-spanning, God-sized plan. I certainly don’t think they wrote the prophesies, but I think they might have decided to use them as a basis, as a framework for their plans for the human race. That’d be a good explanation why all the prophesies are working out, surely?

With the humans not realising any of this because they're desperate, and tiny, and have grabbed hold of everything that's been presented to them since the first episode. But everywhere they’ve gone, the Cylons have been there first, and have pushed them onwards in the right direction. Boomer incapacitated Adama when they got to Kobol, and she didn’t even know why, but that was presumably part of a plan. The zillions of Boomers we saw in 'Kobol's Last Gleaming' didn't seem remotely stressed that their entire Base Star was about to be destroyed, they just let it happen. All the Cylons know about Starbuck, they ‘have plans’ for her. Also, with Baltar not having a chip in his head - should we perhaps be taking it as a tip that Cylons don’t actually *need* chips to project images into human branes, then? Roslin's spookily accurate 'visions' have been played straight so far, but I can't help but feel there's plenty of room to have them as part of teh Cylon Plan.

I mean, unless I’m missing something here, despite the "we’re standing on Earth" comment, there’s no suggestion of yer actual teleportation in that whole ‘map to earth’ sequence, is there? I thought it’s supposed to be a vision - same as Laura’s visions, same as Baltar’s visions - that they all get to share. It’s a mystical vision triggered by an arrow that was collected off a Cylon-occupied planet being plugged into a tomb that a Cylon led them to. I mean, really.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
15:11 / 29.08.05
I'm with Bedhead. The Cylons are always way ahead: whatever happened on Kobol was facilitated by them. Why else would Sharon help find the tomb? Six plays the monotheistic card with Baltar, to whatever effect; meanwhile, the Cylons are strategic about when they help and when they hinder. But it's also inconsistent: after the dramatic tension of the first season, when Cylons were always on their tails, all the time, it's difficult to understand why they're not constantly being attacked now.

I am also beginning to wonder what the fleet will find on Earth when they get there: how will this fit in with Earth history/time?

I was also disappointed with Episode Seven: waaay too much cheesy reunion crap, too little exposition of what was happening. About 20 minutes of footage appeared to have been cut between the Tomb of Athena and the last scene (which was also way too cheesy.) What exactly happened at the tomb? Some kind of weird hallucinatory Powerpoint presentation? Were they actually transported somewhere?

On the other hand, I like the implication that the scrolls are coded directions: it makes them less about prophecy and more about gaining useful knowledge. Indeed when you read the scrolls as code, it becomes evident that Rosslyn and the others, even Adama, are using the prophecies for their own purposes, sometimes manipulative, sometimes 'for good'. Beneath the fundamentalist literal reading lies a possible material literal reading: which does, as mentioned above, remind one of B5 and seem to indicate time travel or time loops. "This has all happened before. It will happen again." Doesn't Six keep repeating that? Wot's it mean, then?
 
 
sleazenation
17:34 / 29.08.05
I read the whole 'this has happened before and will happen again' thing as a reference to both the previous iteration of battlestar galactica and a reference to various theist religions (judaism and mormonism most prominently) on OUR earth that were a recurring motif in both the original series and the new galactica.
 
 
sleazenation
17:53 / 29.08.05
To clarify, i don't think this is about time travel, a sci-fi cliche that seems to be the at odds with the the spirit of the show, it's about a cyclical view of time as a repeating pattern. God's pattern. It remains to be seen if the repetition is part of god's plan lor if it is god's punishment...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:16 / 30.08.05
I'm thinking that possibly the Cylons want all humanity under their control so that a)the human Cylons can breed and b)time will never cycle around to humans abusing Cylons again. So I assume they already know what they would be told in the tomb and maybe a Base Star or two are warping towards Earth right now, if they didn't leave right at the start of the series, so I don't think there's much help that way.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:01 / 03.09.05
So, has 2x08 been shown on American telly yet?
 
 
sleazenation
09:30 / 03.09.05
No - it is going to be delayed a week - SCI-Fi channel decided to turn friday's shedule over to a viewer's choice Stargate marathon for the US holiday weekend...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:59 / 03.09.05
Blimes, I mean I like Stargate but I'm not sure even I like it that much... (sits down to watch B5 s5 and West Wing S4 DVD sets)
 
 
Tom Coates
17:26 / 04.09.05
Yeah I had a very annoying absence-of-good-sci-fi weekend and torrent tv is pretty much the only TV I'm watching nowadays. So grr.

So some of the scroll options are: kuvala root prophesies that actually come true, but not necessarily as people will expect them (that seems a little too bland a plotline to me), some form of time-travel, or some other form of future knowledge one way or another, or - of course - some larger narrative about them not really being on spaceships at all but instead in some form of 'matrix' if you will... I'm assuming the last one is out. Or - as someone has pointed out - it's just some religious guff that's being taken advantage of, which I also like.

But if future knowledge does get into the past, it still has to be written down by someone and everyone has an agenda. That makes it either pro-human or anti-human or pro-individual (or clan or tribe?). At the moment we're all assuming that there are no cylons in the past, but that' sonly because we operate on the same understanding as the people in the show that humans created them. But did they create them from nothing, or were they based on some other technology that they found. Certainyl there's not a lot of evidence of a cylon-creating level of technology even in the miniseries. A found artifact of a previous time that was extant at the time of some of the conflicts of the masters of kobol would be plausible. Cylons built on top of discovered technology - an older mind encoding ancient knowledge? It's not ridiculous. Clearly something went wrong on Kobol at some point...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:41 / 07.09.05
I really don't have a problem with the way the plot's going (or indeed appears to be going- this show has more twists than Shyamalan's knickers) although I did think some of the execution was a little clumsy- the whole "oh look! there's an Archer statue missing an arrow... and what's this we have here?" bit seemed a little videogamey... I was expecting them to combine the arrow with a bit of string and maybe some broken glass in order to solve the puzzle...
...but that kind of cheese is hardly unheard of in genre TV. I guess it only stuck out for me because the quality elsewhere in the show is so high.

Likewise with "The Farm"... I didn't have any logical problems with it... I mean there's a fair bit of suspension of disbelief going on already, and it really doesn't bother me, but the episode's structure (the majority of it could have stood on its own and out of sequence) seemed to kind of draw attention to the fact that this was an episode of a TV series, rather than a forty-five minute chunk of an ongoing story, which kind of damaged the illusion slightly.

I guess I'm splitting hairs here, really... both my criticisms seem to be things I probably wouldn't level at other shows, which is largely because my expectations are so high. If they'd made the whole thing fairly mediocre, I probably wouldn't be whining at all. They can't win, really.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:06 / 10.09.05
this was a strangely fascinating episode. The reporter comes aboard to give a roving eye view has been done by countless series (B5, to name one good example), but they did something somewhat interesting with this one. and turned it on it's head 2 times in a row. I was expecting it to be the cliche of reporter takes things out of context and makes a lot out of nothing to make the crew look bad. They did the opposite. And then they turned it AGAIN on the last scene!
 
 
sleazenation
12:20 / 11.09.05
I was more interested in finding out what is wrong with sharon's pregnancy - why was she bleeding and what dr cotto had to do to save the baby...

And there is also the question of how cylons communicate between themselves - the cylons at the end seemed genuinely surprized to discover sharon with the fleet was still alive - meanwhile reporter cylon on the basestar seemed to know exactly what reperter cylon on the fleet had seen in detail...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:50 / 11.09.05
i think it's possible that was the same Reporter Cylon.

In one episode, I believe they said something about their being a distance limitation to how Cylons can communicate. That may account for the Sharon thing.

I'm sure the baby issue will be a central plot of next week's installment, the last one til 2006! Aieeeee!

I had real trouble hearing what Reporter Cylon said at the end about the raiders? Something about relaying information? Huh?
 
 
sleazenation
20:27 / 11.09.05
i think it's possible that was the same Reporter Cylon.

Uh uh - that doesn't fly - cause she mentions that they needed the cylon raiders to carry the signal her galactica-based self was broadcasting to the cylon basestars (or whereever it is that they are). Additionally - Galactic would notice any unauthorised ship jumping out of the fleet.


Further question - if the rest of season two isn't going to be broadcast until next year, and there is a gap in production between the first 10 episodes or so of season 2 and the next 10, is there any meaningful way that it is still the same season ?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:02 / 11.09.05
Ah! That's the bit I couldn't hear. Okay, cool, that clears that issue up for me. You're right about the reporter cylons.

The explanation I've heard (i think it originates from Ron Moore) is that Sci Fi was too skeptical and/or cheap to buy a full season for season 1, so they bought a 13 episode season. He considers everything up til the last episode (Kobol/Tomb of Athena) to technically be Season 1's story arc. And this new stuff is sort of starting a new chapter. But it was a bit uneven, obviously, so they are using 2 more episodes to the divide the season in half.

it's weird...but he reasoned it out on last episode's podcast, i think.
 
 
sleazenation
21:32 / 11.09.05
I listened to the podcast, but took RDM's comments to mean more that the first 7 episodes of season 2 were the following through of all the triggers that were pulled in the last two eps of season 1... of course both explanations could be true, but that still doesn't really explain season season 2 being cut in half and shown over two years, unless you mean that Sci-fi channel can only afford to comission 13 episodes or so per year and that 'season 3' won't come til 2007...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:40 / 12.09.05
the last one til 2006

Oh you are so shitting me. Now I know how Vader felt when he went

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! really craply.

Enjoyed that one- but as I think I've said before, I'm not so hot on the more self-contained episodes. I tend to view it more as a skiffy soap than an episodic thing. Hence reporter Cylon twist at t'end- good thing, me-wise.

LOVED the use of the old BG music, too, as in the pilot only more so.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:20 / 14.09.05
Yeah, the music was a real 'lump in the throat' moment, I can understand why they don't use it for the new version of the show, but damn I missed it.

So perhaps this is how Boomer's going to get out of the cell, if a human-cylon pregnancy is such a fragile thing that she needs round-the-clock medical care then she can't stay locked up. It's a bit odd that the Cylons on Caprica seemed happy to see proof she was still alive yet didn't seem that worried that she appeared to be haemoraging quite badly.

And in light of the whole data-transmission thing and what is and isn't possible, I wonder if any of the Cylons know that Six is lodging in Baltar's head.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:04 / 19.09.05
ah! Sorry, Stoatie, I was wrong...there is still another to go this "season"....and they are actually calling it a "season finale" airing on 9-23 in the US.

Which is interesting, because that means that they intend to air "season three" next spring...

It's got Ensign Ro!
 
 
sleazenation
06:39 / 19.09.05
Or Miranda zero, if you have seen the global frequency pilot...

This week's episode had a fair few problems - why did the cylons attack ? why no base stars and why goes caprica boomer think she is considered worthless to other hybrid cylons-this certainly doesn't appear to be the case last episode...
 
 
Bed Head
22:06 / 19.09.05
‘A fair few problems.’ I could agree with that.

Right, my computer go asplode last week, so I’ll be unloading two weeks’ worth of my bullshit Galactica ramblings at once. Sorry, everyone.

Okay, so, last week. The One With Lucy Lawless. Gosh, it was a bit meta, that twist, wasn’t it? Documentary-style montage of heroic, rousing, militaristic etc bullshit, intercut with everyone on Galactica watching it, all welling up and wibbly-chinned and yay us. The theme from the original series is to signify to us that they're being fictionalised/cast in a story? Why not, because then: cut straight to a viewing screen on Caprica with the Cylons watching it like producers watching the rushes. Not only have the Cylons effectively helped put the fleet back together, they’ve given the human race’s self-image a tweak in order to achieve it. I mean, wow.

So. The whole ‘rag-tag fleet struggling against massive odds’ narrative is being created around the human race? Oh, maybe I am just reaching, but I’m going with this reading because I like it so much. It just seems so, like, timely.


Arghhh, problems with this episode - well, surely there’s the total wtf-ness of any civilian being allowed to step onboard Galactica, and being given unlimited access to the entire ship, without first going through the Baltar Test or even being accompanied by a minder. It’s very strange that the whole ‘Cylons can look like anyone!’ theme, with all the society-crippling paranoia that could involve, has now been pretty much dropped to give more room to the ‘Cylons can look like Boomer!’ theme. I’d like there to be an ingenious plot reason for this (Adama knows Lucy Lawless is a Cylon! He’s playing a cunning double-bluff/rolling a hard six!), but dammit, you just know it’s a bit of a blunder by the writers.

Then, yeah, there’s the ‘Cylon raiders as signal relay’ thing. Which I like, because it would mean there totally *is* some kind of Cylon force which is close enough to be contacted by Cylons throughout the fleet, ie they know *exactly* where the human race is at all times/ties in with my entire theory. So, relaying the hospital footage of Boomer, I get. But then, how do the Cylons manage to get a copy of the entire film back to Caprica? The news that it was broadcast across the fleet, fine. But the entire film, when two raiders are necessary to relay a short burst of footage? Hrmm.

...Er, rather like sleaze said, in fact. It seems to kinda trip over itself, that bit.



And then, this week: wow, what a weird episode. A good weird, mostly. Really like the whole letting-go-of-old-life to engaging-with-new-life thing, with the journey to Earth being more about the mental/social adjustment than yer actual physical journey; not so keen that that transition is then represented by the A Team-style building of a rather rubbish-looking spaceship. But, yay, because we’re back to the frazzled nerves and, er, sparky sexual tension, ie the whole shit! our entire species is on the brink of destruction! We should fuck but we haven’t got time! dude! vibe of the first few episodes of Season 1. Yay. And, given all the frustration in this episode - they're all talking about sex or casting meaningful glances, but no-one's getting any - I’m not so sure that the scene at the end of the episode, with all the jocks and pilots and alpha-girls discharging their weapons into a load of helpless Cylons, was supposed to look like such a normal and well-balanced and appealingly human response to the situation. More like: Nerve-busting tension is established among all the pilots; opportunity for release is, like, duly presented by the Cylons.

...I’m reaching again, I know. I’m just saying. But we already know they have *no* intention of destroying the child, that the child is part of the greater Cylon plan - whatever Boomer says about that - and that this ‘omg the Cylons have found us/caught up with us!’ thing is surely bunkum when the Cylons in the fleet are able to summon up a couple of raiders to run errands.


There were certanly more problems this week, though. Like, how long did that entire spaceship take to build, from start to finish? I can accept a bit of a gap after the Cylon ships are destroyed, but at the start of the episode we hear how Laura’s got ‘weeks, a month at the most’ to live. So, they designed and built a new ship in less than a month. Hrm. Okay.

Also: wot no Six this episode? No Six-style advice for Baltar as he helps with Galactica’s Cylon-related computer problems? Nothing at all? I can’t remember ever even seeing a Sixless Baltar before, let alone when he’s offering advice on something vitally important like this. Doubly weird when the one other on-board Cylon that we know about is fully involved. Bit of a glaring omission though, so mmmmmaybe we’ll be revisiting these scenes at some future point and find out what was happening in his head when he was turning away and sweating and looking worried every time we cut to him.

And again, re: final shot, I’m left wondering what the status of Baltar’s Cylon detector actually is. IIRC, he says he missed detecting Boomer, but got around that by claiming he had only used an early version of the test on her - so, is there now a version of the test that is believed to work, or have they dropped the project completely? Is there no programme of testing on Galactica, if only for key personnel?


And season-ending cliffhanger next week, you say? So soon? I wonder what the big cliffhanger will be..
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:37 / 21.09.05
Yeah, I was wondering where Six was in all of this too. And Tyrrell and his crew also built this new fighter in their downtime between working their regular shifts. The timescale is all fucked up in order to make a heroic point.

Each week we're told the Cylons have a plan. I'm not convinced that the production crew know what that is. The documentary told them that Sharon is okay and still pregnant, which assumes they aren't in contact with her since she and the others got back to the fleet. I don't buy the whole thing with Six being just a delusion of Baltar's because of the whole thing with the 'real' Six turning up IRL to accuse Baltar of being behind the destruction of the alliance in s.1. Now we have a situation that could conceivably destroy the fleet but also Sharon at the same time? The only ways to explain this is either that the baby isn't that important, there are factions within the Cylons with different goals (which would be nice to see but we probably won't, as it seems the old-school Cylons are now mute) or every couple of weeks they send fleets that they allow the Galacticans to destroy to keep them on their toes.

It's all going a bit X-Files, and not in any kind of good way...
 
 
Bed Head
11:49 / 21.09.05
Yay, someone other than me wants to swap convoluted and probably nonsensical Galactica theories this week! Yay!

(Yes, I do miss all the Bad Wolf stuff. I rather like theorising and speculating and then being proved completely wrong, myself)

Okay,

every couple of weeks they send fleets that they allow the Galacticans to destroy to keep them on their toes.

Well, obviously, I’m going with this third option, but I don’t think it’s as simple as just keeping them on their toes. This week’s Cylon attack would make a kind of sense as a way of providing Boomer with the opportunity to save the ship/gain trust. To gain *public* trust, if not necessarily to gain Adama’s trust - much has already been made of public opinion re: Boomer (there was that weird, rather out of place scene earlier in the series that showed a baying mob attacking the other Boomer, for example), and yet I can now see a situation developing where Baltar might be able to make a public argument for the release of The Girl Who Saved The Ship, who has demonstrated her allegiance to the human race, while Adama is trying to keep the potentially-eeeeevil Cylon locked up and treated as a Cylon infiltrator and possible threat. Public opinion vs. military diktat being a Key Theme, and all.

But yeah, the big attack in this episode pretty much directly contradicts the ‘we must protect the child’ discussion by the Cylons on Caprica that occurred at the end of the previous episode. To me, it only really makes sense as a set-up, which Boomer either is or isn’t in on.

A bit X-files? I’m thinking more like The Ususal Suspects, personally. Impossibly intricate, but there’ll be a string that’s pulled in the last episode and it’ll be like a ship in a bottle - a bit silly and not as life-changing as you’d thought it would be, but all suddenly standing upright nonetheless. It might be irksome, but I don’t think the Big Cylon Plan is necessarily going to be conventional, straightforward or particularly credible. I think it’s going to be absurdly complex and unlikely. Because how subtle can the manipulation get, if we’re talking about manipulation be a race of hyper-intelligent computers and - as we're constantly being reminded - experts on human behaviour?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:24 / 21.09.05
Each week we're told the Cylons have a plan. I'm not convinced that the production crew know what that is.

Rather. I'm glad that people are keeping tabs on plot (in)consistency on this thread. Because I feel like the cinematography and pace of BG dictate a flattened out, in-the-moment, 'forgetful' style of spectatorship. At least that's what happens to me. So I forget the inconsistencies unless they're glaringly obvious within the episode. As was the ship built in a week. I mean, if that's all it takes to build a new Viper, with a bit of design innovation, why haven't the ground crews been doing that all along? And on the other hand, I see why the writers wanted the new ship to dramatise/symbolise everyone getting on with it, pulling together, reconciling with reality. I just don't know why it also had to bear the weight of symbolically (for the audience, if not the other characters) farewelling Roslyn, thus requiring them to launch and name it. Heavy-handed, hokey, and those stupid bagpipes again. So: either they didn't have enough plot for this episode without the launching celebrations or, alternatively, next week's cliff-hanger is that Roslyn collapses and we don't know if she lives or dies...?

The attack/virus totally works as an opportunity for Boomer to regain trust as Helpful Cylon, and thus to plug into the Galactica (who knows what information she was stealing while she was uploading that virus, eh?) You could see Olmos's face tic with difficulty when he said, towards the end, "Get that Thing back to the brig." They're thinking of Boomer less and less as a Thing, and more and more as Boomer. Well, the Chief is.

(Has anyone noticed how non-pregnant Boomer looks, by the way? Surely she should be showing by now. It's been months.)

But back to the attack -- it's only inconsistent if you assume that it was supposed to be a real attack rather than a faked one. Cylon attacks have become less and less destructive/deadly since Season One (with the exception of the breaching pod episode.) Every attack serves a tactical purpose, though: a purpose that possibly has far more to do with manipulating the humans' psychological states, group morale and relationships than anything else. It seems obvious now that the Great Plan involves the fleet staying alive.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:36 / 21.09.05
I want to know why they are completely ignoring that entire "Boomer in the hospital but the baby was saved" thing?

We haven't heard anything about that. Apparently it wasn't a miscarriage, but what happened and why do they say that the baby was saved?

And no real mention of the Kobol map room, either? It's really odd how those plot points have been completely forgotten for two episodes.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:02 / 21.09.05
When Starbuck and Helo left Caprica he'd been there for only about 40 days IIRC, and so therefore half of season 2 won't have been much more than that, so Boomer is at most two months pregnant, three at the outside and wearing such baggy clothes it'll be difficult to see.
 
  

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