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Battlestar Galactica Season 2 US Thread (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Hieronymus
17:46 / 01.08.05
Since the first thread on the Sci-Fi Channel show was starting to burst at the seams with concerns about 2nd season spoilers, with luck this thread will ease the pressure.

Will Adama make it? What's going on on Caprica? What will become of Number Six and Baltar's horny love affair? Will the tenuous society of military and civilians unravel with Col. Tigh in charge and President Roslin in the clink?

Fire away, Battlestar fans.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:58 / 01.08.05
So I'm reading the episode summaries at the show's site and besides being jealous as all hell that I don't have cable and haven't found a d/load source for the new episodes yet, I'm wondering where pregnant Boomer has gone off to? There's no mention of her when they talk about Starbuck and Helo finding the buck's pickup truck.
 
 
Bed Head
18:18 / 01.08.05
Wow, that was quick. Excellent work H, thanks.

I wanted to post about the latest episode, really. Episode 2:3, ‘Fragged’. You're warned, but I'm not really about the *plot* details yet anyway.

Because I am loving the look of this show right now: After Lee last week, the makers seem to have realised that covering their hunky young men in blood is a really good look for them. And it so is: Crashdown looked amaaaazing this episode, painted as he was a vivid shade of red. As did Six, in the first shot where she appears, her blonde hair gleaming so brightly, standing out against the really amazingly saturated green of Kobol. Last season I has thought that maybe Kobol was just looking so intense because pretty much all of the series had been gunmetal grey. But, no. Whatever they’re doing, it still looks absolutely incredible. Super-intense green, bright red, shining gold-blonde.

Best moment: The Chief looking on the verge of tears at the end. Not a whoop, or a salute, or even a word spoken, just a moment where he’s having real trouble not blubbing everywhere.

Delighted to see the religious theme back properly, and going into overdrive. Galactica seeming like a ship on the edge of mania, the way the Quorum grabbed onto the idea of Roslin-as-prophet with both hands. Literally.



And fuck, that guy playing Tigh seems to have a retractable chin, I’ve never seen anything like it. Sometimes he’s got a skull and jaw and everything, sometimes he looks just like a worm wearing a suit. It’s a neat trick.
 
 
Bed Head
18:31 / 01.08.05
H, no Boomer in this episode. Or the last. In fact, there’s been no Boomer since a couple of minutes in the first episode - has the actress still got a job, d’you reckon? Still, they have kept her face in the title sequence...

And absolutely no Starbuck this week either. I’m in two minds. There’s me agreeing that we want Boomer! And Adama! and Starbuck! but the absence of these three so far means we’re getting to know the other people on Galactica instead, and I like that. Obviously, this show just needs to be two hours long every week. That'd work.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:05 / 01.08.05
well, i heart Starbuck, so the absence was rough, especially after last week's insight into her private life as an aspiring artist. loved those scenes with the piano playing.

so...Six is really saying that the child Baltar needs to protect is Boomer and Helo's, right?

i was very intrigued by Six's mention of how God (singular) has abandoned Kobol, because of the worship of false gods. i would very much like to know more about this part of their history. exactly what the deal as with "gods" and "lords"... I'm guessing we will find out more when they open the Temple of Athena with the Arrow of Apollo.
 
 
sleazenation
20:25 / 01.08.05
I have an ambivilent relationship to the new Battlestar Galactica, but it is at least holding to the truism that sci-fi tells us more about the time that it is made than it ever does about 'the future'...

An important part of Galactica is that it balences the religious and secular view of world, giving them both equal weight, but it is a trick that it can only pull off so long and maintain credibility.

Glad to see the Kobal thrust of the plot wrapped up and very interested to see so many, (well, two) regular cast members killed in its resolution (I don't remember seeing Tarn in the first season)...

Also good to see plenty of follow through on the numerous triggers pulled in the last two episodes of season 1 - those two episodes and the first three of this season are so closely tied together - in terms of duration and as a chain of consequences...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:34 / 06.08.05
where did all these new characters come from?!

really enjoyable new episode last night, with lots of incident, including some things that will make some people happy and some people sad.

this season looks like it's going to be quite interesting in terms of overall plot. MUCH different than season one, where everyone was working together as a whole hunkey dorey fleet.

took a couple episodes to get to this point, but now that we are here, i think it's going to be quite a ride.

more and more, Six seemed to be shoved to just a side line character in this episode...a weird quirk of Baltar, no real substance. That's a shame, because she is generally one of the more interesting sources of plot info for me.

and yay, starbuck in this episode!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:40 / 06.08.05
Ooh, looking forward to the return of Starbuck... just watched Fragged, and it was a fucking ACE episode, but it needed Starbuck. And Adama, but there were decent plot reasons for him not being there.

For all my joking about it reminding me of Space: Above And Beyond (which was clearly Tour Of Duty in space- which is why I loved it) the scenes on Kobol WERE Tour of Duty... even down to random shouts of "LT!!! LT!!!"

The way that all played out (the "failed" mission on the Cylon gun emplacement) was ace- it was everything I love about the new Galactica. Stuff happens that is (within the show's own rules) totally logical, and, in hindsight, fairly inevitable, but you're still not expecting it.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
22:43 / 06.08.05
i completely agree with the Space: Above and Beyond comparison...especially the Galactica's first season. It's incredibly similar.

it actually makes me want to see that series again. My brother was very into it, but I never gave it enough attention...I was too wrapped up in Babylon 5 at the time.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:15 / 06.08.05
See, I never really got B5. Space... was great, though hugely underrated. But then, I was a huge Tour Of Duty fan...

Thing I love about the new Galactica, it's like Space... but with a much better plot and better-drawn characters, and it's filmed like a cop show. It's a great example of using a whole bunch of cool influences, putting them together AND THEN BUILDING A GREAT NEW SHOW ON TOP OF THEM instead of just letting them do the work for you. I don't watch a great deal of TV, so my opinion is probably not that expert, but it's as close to my perfect TV programme as it gets right now.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:48 / 07.08.05
i agree. being a huge science fiction fan, and a fan of large stories with mythological underpinnings in general, this show is fitting the bill for me almost perfectly. i could do more with grand revelations and whatnot, but it's still an infant program.

B5...you should try renting the DVDs from day one and attempt to stick through the spotty first season...it starts getting crazy good midway through the second season, then just excels in story for the next 3 seasons...having a bit of an annoying period in season 5, but completely redeeming itself in the last stretch of 5-6 episodes (some of the best episodes). i would say if you like space opera...it's probably the largest space opera attempted to date.

however, back to Space: A+B...i just found out that Best Buy will have the entire show on DVD sept. 6 for $42...definitely plan to pick it up.
 
 
sleazenation
08:45 / 07.08.05
So, what do people think will happen to cally now she has pulled her Jack Ruby stunt? And is the Cheif really in much of a position to return to his duties on the flight deck? who else is left to actually help keep things running...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:29 / 07.08.05
they are a pretty beleaguered bunch at the moment. Still got Gaeta...he can do anything. and Dualla...except she's probably headed for the brig any day now.
 
 
sleazenation
14:08 / 07.08.05
Tigh is not stupid. He knows that he has been betrayed by people under his command, but if he reacts to that betrayal not only is he lost, but so is the whole chain of command and the whole fleet. Tigh might have blown it to a large extent (and I wasn't convinced by the portrayal of this but, its an interesting plot progression), but he didn't blow the whole thing - he didn't kill Apollo and the President. Tigh is also aware of his flaws, although this awareness does not mean that he has yet found effective means of dealing with these flaws...

There are a lot of other pieces in the air, not least the malevolent Baltar. Baltar's instinct for self-preservation overides all other considerations. He is a compulsive liar who will do anything to prevent being discovered - he can't accept being shown to be wrong. And now Cally has attempted to blackmail/move against him I don't rate her chances of surviving particularly highly. Baltar may well start moves against all the Kobal landing party that witnessed his killing of crashdown...

The other thing i had a slight problem with this episode was the Gideon incident - listening to the podcast RDM was attempting to portray a scene of confusion, a bullet for an indetermionate source being fired and prompting the marines to start firing into the crowd. I would have bought this far more if the civilians on the transport had been portrayed as having some guns of somekind, that way the marines could plausibly have thought they were being fired upon - as it was it seemed more like the civilans were all unarmed - which could still provoke mishaps like the one we saw, but if the aim was to make it uncertain who fired first then we really needed to see guns on the civillian side.

Oh and this also begs the question about gun ownership among the fleet- how many civillians have acess to guns? Is the guncrime in the fleet - is there any law-enforcement?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
11:03 / 08.08.05
Firing on the crowd? Jack Ruby stunts? Blackmail? I so shouldn't be reading this. My Limewire is dl'ing "Resistance" at the stately pace of 1Kb per second. Soooo sloooow.... At this stage I should be able to rejoin the other thread when they screen Season Two on UK television.
 
 
sleazenation
11:08 / 08.08.05
Mister disco - have you been listening to the battlestar galactica podcasts? - They are like directors commentaries, only with the series headwriter/executive producer. They are quicker to download than the shows themselves and often... explore scenes far more successfully than the final televised cut does...

I only mention this as I also DL the show, but am usually spoilered by the podcast before i get to see it...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:13 / 08.08.05
Must... not... read... thread... but it's so shiny!

One last comment on the first three before I try to stick to that rule- I like the way Tigh's wife, who seemed so likely to be a Cylon when she first appeared, has been steadily proving herself to be just as bad an influence as a human- even after the assassination attempt, I still know which I'd trust more out of her and Boomer...
 
 
Disco is My Class War
05:54 / 09.08.05
Sleaze -- didn't know about the podcasts, but have been watching the videoblogs on the scifi.com site. It shouldn't surprise me how much they're adapting their content to the informalised downloading audience, but it does.

I am also rather fond of Tigh's newfound wife. Her appearance on Galactica was my favourite episode last season. Absinthe! Footsie!
 
 
sleazenation
08:40 / 09.08.05
I find Tigh's wife interesting, but not THAT interesting, if that makes sense. I liked the way Adama subtlely put her back in her place in Resistence. Eventually, she will move on from Tigh and onto a bigger, more influential fish in the fleet - possibly Baltar, more likely Tom Zerik, causing much pain and plotpoints in her wake...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:16 / 14.08.05
whoa the most recent episode has a lot going on...was duly impressed. things seem to be ramping back up again.
 
 
sleazenation
22:21 / 14.08.05
I was really disappointed by 'The Farm', doublely disappointed in fact, since much of the episode was really good.

The idea of sterile Humanocyclons wanting desperately to harness human females fertility is intrguing and engaging (although quite why the focus should be exclusively on female reproductive organs struck me as a bit odd - surely sperm production would also be problematic for Cylons to replicate). It was the revelations that were tacked onto the end of the episode that I had a real problem with.

As I think i pointed out further up, much about the new BSG has centred on conflicts between secular and religious views. I always figured it was a dance that would have to end somewhere and the coin would have to fall on one side or the other and at that point the whole show would rest on how that moment was dealt with (or not dealth with). What the writers appears to have been aiming for is to find a quasi-spiritual quality that secularists could take on board more easily than the notion of a 'god' and 'love' is the quality they appear to have settled on.

In claiming that the Cylon Boomer was able to conceive a child in miraculous fashion, despite cylon infertility, due to the love she had for Helo the writers have effectively stolen the ending from the from The Fifth Element, claiming that love is 'the fifth element'.

Uh uh. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
01:35 / 15.08.05
it struck me as what the Cylons think and not what is actually the truth...so in that regard...it's not BSGs opinion, but rather the Cylon characters, showing their intrinsic flaw that will eventually lead to their defeat. the humans...think, as we, the human audience also do, that their theory is silly.
 
 
sleazenation
08:24 / 15.08.05
That could certainly the case, but that wasn't the impression i got from RDM's comments on the podcast for that episode...

Its kind of a problem inherant in always leaving space for a religious explanation while not necessarily doing the same for a hard science expplanation. It is entirely feasible that Caprica Boomer recieved human ovary implants and can't remember them - six does disparage the boomer model for its dificiencies... but there doesn't seem to be much evidence to support that possibility yet.

On the flipside, I can't recall seeing is any failure of the religious view - everything Six has claimed seems to have come to pass, and we have yet to see any prophesies that Laura Rosalin has failed to fulfill...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:54 / 15.08.05
Seen the first four and have the fifth waiting for me for when I actually have some time again. Tigh's wife bores the pants off me to be honest, but she's had her uses in the first four episodes to push Tigh to make some bad decisions. I expect that even Adama will be surprised that so much of the fleet has turned against the Galactica for the martial law decree, as he damn near made that unavoidable by arresting the president at the end of season one.

Are they writing Boomer out? The one on Galactica is dead, the Boomer on Caprica legged it with the ship, it's not like they can infiltrate the fleet with another one, even if they could find it.

And in the first episode I rather got the impression the new Base Star was orbiting Kobol, so where did it come to in episode three.

I'm starting to get a little bored of the whole Six/Baltar thing though. She turns up at the start of the episode and lectures him on one of his many deficiencies and makes vague threats/promises/predictions. By the end of that episode whatever she said has come true. Next week she lectures him on something else and... However, the way he attacks Tyrol to get information out of Boomer was unexpected and brilliant.

And at last, red-hot Cylon action! Nice to see some hand-to-hand fighting between humans and Cylons. But when Starbuck and Helo met up with the other Resistance fighters I was rather unconvinced that any of them believed the others weren't human-form Cylons, why would a Cylon not know any of the personal details of a human he was made to look like? And how did the Capricans find out that the human-form Cylons WERE actually Cylons and not humans that had thrown in their lot WITH the Cylons?

But Adama's back! Woo-hoo, kicking butt and taking fracking names!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:04 / 15.08.05
first two paragraphs: all is expanded upon in this most recent episode.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:22 / 19.08.05
Watched 2x05, as for them concentrating on female fertility and whatnot, I presume that if they are trying to crossbreed humans and cylons, if they have a lot of women hooked up this means they feel they've solved the problem of cylonsperm. This did have the worst line of the entire show so far: "They thought that what they might be forgetting is... love!" or something similar. Quite why Cylons want to crossbreed with humans after almost wiping them out... Do they have problems building humancylons?

And I know Helo is conflicted about Boomer but considering she ran out on them he's remarkably willing to just accept anything she says in this episode, they could have done with cutting some of the doctor-and-Starbuck scenes to give a chance for Helo and Boomer to face off about the whole trust issue. The same goes for Starbuck and Boomer, she seems to not mind Boomer coming back to the fleet with them.

So, we're going to have an situation with Boomer and Helo in love and the Chief still in love with a different Boomer but probably fixating on this one. It'll be interesting when they work out how to stop this Boomer being killed. I presume Six will pressure Baltar to intervene, though as Adama was asking the dead one 'why?' he might want her kept alive to give him an answer to this question.

So, does anyone think Caprica Boomer is stringing people along or perhaps has enough independence to suggest that the humans best hope is to try and ferment unrest amongst the humancylons?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:43 / 19.08.05
Episode 5 was certainly the most underwhelming episode yet this season. I felt like not much had happened, even though it did. Maybe it was the too-convenient battle scene where Starbuck somehow manages to swoon (a completely un-Starbuck thing to do) and they lose track of her. Unlikely. This whole bit, even though SB is one of my fave characters, was also way too derivative.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:49 / 19.08.05
Also, I forgot to add: since Helo and Caprica Boomer spent, like, five episodes or more of last season searching for a ship, dodging Cylons the whole time, does it strike anyone as odd that Boomer managed to find a new ship (Starbuck's Cylon raider having mysteriously vanished) so quickly and conveniently? Even with the help of the raider, this seems a bit far-fetched. Then again, the idea of such a large, organised-looking resistance movement is also far-fatched, as Ron thinger admitted in last week's podcast. So, a question: why is Caprica so important in the overall arc that they need to clumsily insert all these dumb subplots?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:09 / 19.08.05
Well, we don't know how Cylon society works, but I'm guessing (with admittedly little proof) that the humancylons are the elite and have a certain freedom of movement. There seemed to be some friction between Caprica Six and Caprica Boomer at the end of season one, especially when Helo found out Boomer was a Cylon. So possibly Boomer has the power and authority to take a Cylon shuttle without the Cylons thinking it was odd until it was too late. Alternatively, Galactica Boomer gets killed, Caprica Boomer hooks up with and helps Helo. Coincidence?
 
 
sleazenation
15:35 / 19.08.05
I believe that there are supposed to be 12 models of Humanocylons - in line with the 12 colonies...
 
 
fluid_state
21:29 / 19.08.05
So could there be a 13th, lost Humlon? The 12 models - 12 colonies thing never occurred to me before, but it would fit nicely with the theory that the Old Man is a Humlon himself...

Anyway... Boomer stealing the raider was apparently cut; Ron Moore wanted to show Boomer and the Resisty marching across a field of Cylon bodies toward the airbase.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
02:13 / 20.08.05
We need a better word for human-looking Cylons than Humlon.

Also, to answer the Boomer question: now that she's preggers, maybe she has some kind of immunity from Six's interference.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:52 / 20.08.05
fluid_state So could there be a 13th, lost Humlon? The 12 models - 12 colonies thing never occurred to me before, but it would fit nicely with the theory that the Old Man is a Humlon himself...

Well, I tend to feel that if that were the case then a doctor doing quite invasive surgery to save his life might have noticed that he wasn't human. After all, Six's spine glowed in the miniseries didn't it? And if Galactica Boomer shooting Adama was just some double-bluff by the Cylons then they really need some better plans.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:54 / 20.08.05
so last night's episode was ok...i don't think much happened at all, though. the adama stuff was interesting as usually.

the preview for next week looks good. i'm a little suspicious of it, though, because it seems to show Adama coming down to Kobol with the rebels... which doesn't make sense from a couple levels unless you go with the Adama being a Cylon theory... which i've never really understood.
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
19:14 / 20.08.05
Love this show!

How about Cylman rather than Humlon, or maybe The Hybrids (ooooo, creepy)...

I liked the odd sexual tension between Apollo and Starbuck. I don't really see why they keep Caprica Boomer though. I still would have put her out the airlock and I definitely wouldn't have let her on Kobol. I knew that a lot of this episode would be filler when I hit the "info" button on my dvr remote and it said "Episode 1 of 2". It is just the nature of American TV.

Things that I would like to know more about:
-Cylons in general, their "empire" and "society" if such terms can be applied to them.
-Cylon rulers and what they are like. Why imitate humans by going the flesh and blood route, when androids would be more "cost effective".
-The Cylman, are they one big consciousness or individuals who download their experiences at various points, or what?
-Is Baltar actually nuts or is Six somehow communicating with him telepathically or as a "virus"?
-More Colonies history would be nice.
-Why haven't the Cylons wiped out the "Resistance" on Caprica? (Boomer found them easily enough.)
-Are there other aliens in space? Have the Colonies had contact with them before?

One hour a week, 22 or so weeks a year is not enough!
 
  

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