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Battlestar Galactica Season 2 US Thread (SPOILERS)

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:17 / 07.01.06
Ooh... has it restarted in the States?

Off to BitTorrent I go... (well, tomorrow, probably)
 
 
sleazenation
17:21 / 07.01.06
Well - nothing is really resolved yet and won't be until next week -

Not sure I'm convinced by Fisk still hanging out drinking with Tigh after the standoff happens...

And there are a lot of nigglely little things like the whole school room angle they were playing up with Adama and Cain sitting in front of Roslin...

And the absence of the ethereal Six talking to Baltar. While I realise from the perspective of the story they want to tell it is difficult to have her there I wanted to see more of her reaction to 'Gina' (the six in custody) - particularly in light of Gina's wish to die.

While we don't yet fully understand how cylon consciousnesses are reabsorbed when uploaded I can just see a fascinating piece of character conflict with ethereal six wanting to protect the ressurection ship for her own sake as well as that of the other cylons against Gina's desire to just die and not be brought back...

Of course... we don't actually know whose side Six is on yet - she sold out her cylon buddies to an extent in the pilot... and there is the lingering question of coincidence in the fact that Baltar successfully identified a cylon agent seemingly by chance...
 
 
Bed Head
20:51 / 07.01.06
Yeah, the Fisk-Tigh drinking scene was about the worst moment. And kinda made me think of Father Ted: you know, the way every single priests' household is shown as having a rogueish Ted-model priest, a clueless Dougal-model priest, and a disgusting old man in the corner. Like, does every Battlestar need to have a hopeless drunk as XO? Is it required? Fisk even appeared to be painted with gin-blossoms in that scene, for heaven’s sake. (on which: the makeup this episode - That Baltar. Lashings of eyeliner. Again. Or is my monitor faulty? Or maybe I'm just seeing him that way.)

Buuuuuuut, other than that, well, I’m actually really happy with things being unresolved. My problems with the last episode were the gaping holes in the narrative and all the non-characters, and with those holes + characters then seeming to be concreted in by that fucking podcast, not with there being loose ends as such. Love loose ends. Suddenly it looks like there’s loads of different ways that things can go. It’s great. Especially like/am convinced by the whole Starbuck-as-Pegasus-CAG thing. And the look on her face at the prospect of going back to Caprica.

And I liked all the character time this episode - er, apart from the Tyrol-Helo scene - just one face-to-face confrontation after another, pretty much all the way through, rather than anyone running around or any Stuff Being Done. Even the whole Viper confontation bit at the start was really just pilots locking eyes and trying to out-stare each other. And they're all *itching* to be allowed to start shooting, but instead it's such a non-fight fight. And then they all suddenly look like a pretty school of fish when they all come around and line up in the same direction. Really tense scene, then a momentary, unexpected flash of imagery. Then straight back to THE TENSE. Lovely stuff.

Don’t really agree about the school room angle - I enjoy it when Adama really rumbles his lines, and sank in his chair he was able to do lots of that, but that scene seemed mostly all about the Pres and Cain, and it worked for me because Michelle Forbes had such an excellent ‘what are you going to do about it?’ face whenever Roslin was talking. But, schoolroom? Adama may have stayed in his seat, but about two lines in and both women were standing. On a level.

What else? I’ll be sorry to see Dr Baltar’s Fabulous Dream Apartment go, if his line about that was serous, and he won’t be going there any more for his little narrative interludes. I really dug that house.

Won’t do my usual shtick abut the Resurrection ship. Except to say that the blackbird’s stealth technology was invented by the galaxy’s greatest mind, that noted intellectual Lt Karl ‘Helo’ Agathon, whereas the Cylons are only a race of super brainy computers. And that Gina then responded to those photos with a fully-formed narrative about what it is and what it means and even a personal motivation for giving up the information. But, hey. I think I’d much prefer all of that to be due to time considerations and for the sake of a straightforward plotline, than because of any idea that Gina and/or Boomer might have allowed themselves to be in those cells in order to Play Their Part. I’ve gone right off that possibility now, funnily enough.
 
 
Seth
12:40 / 09.01.06
Yeah, cracking stuff. The scene on Colonial One between Kane, Adama and Roslin was saved for me by Adama refusing to look at either of them and totally clamming up, exactly like my Dad would, exactly like I would. Just sitting there like a stubborn immovable object, wicked.

Also loving all the second-guessing we're doing as viewer. With any incarnation of Boomer and Six being potentially completely untrustworthy there's absolutely no way of knowing which side is victorious when Galactica seemingly triumphs. That's lovely and bleak, thaty is.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:51 / 09.01.06
I think the Roslin-Cylon theory is beginning to bear more weight with this episode. Her immediate jump to "kill her" was very out-of-character to me. And the cancer is beginning to put doubts in my mind. Like Leonon-In-Mini-Series doubts.

I loved that this was essentially another Starbuck Is Kickass episode.

I like that the preview shows Ensign Ro saying "Frak...you." That episode is gonna be a wild ride, it appears.
 
 
sleazenation
17:10 / 09.01.06
The writers certainly seem to be keeping their options open with a potential 'shock' revelation that roslin is a cylon... But my gut feeling is that actually pulling that trigger would be jumping the shark...
 
 
Seth
18:11 / 09.01.06
I'm a bit concerned that Starbuck might be a wildcard they play a few too many times to get them out of a sticky situation. How many times has she turned up in the nick of time now?
 
 
Lel
15:24 / 11.01.06
Just saw the mini for the first time (which I guess isn't what you're refering to when you say 'pilot', I'm not sure what you mean when you say Six betrayed the cyclons).

They've also cast a very different version of Baltar's role in the attack. He did not betray humanity except in the most broad and indirect sense, which is not the impression you get watching later episodes.

My guess at the overall story is that the cyclons wanted to kill all humans, but then they discovered they couldn't reproduce. So they're following BSG until they can determine whether or not they need human females as hosts. Thats really the only way I've found the jives with both the mini-series and the later episodes.
 
 
sleazenation
17:12 / 11.01.06
No - when I say pilot, I mean the mini - cause it served as a pilot for the ongoing series.

What I am referring to WRT Six's betrayal is that in the mini she points out the the cylon equipment to Baltar who points it out to the Galactica crew- now this might just be as small measure to ingratiate Baltar into the trust of the Galacticans and to extend her hold over him, or not - it is never quite made clear, like so many things in Galactica...

As I said - its never made clear how Baltar managed to spot the PR dude was a cylon - was it luck or Six's guidance?

As for Baltar's guilt in the attack - he gave Six access to secuity information that she should not have had - that she subsequently turned out to be a cylon and part of a plot to attack humanity just makes his guilt even worse...

As to what the cylon plan actually is... that also remains uncertain.\ - according to Caprica Boomer i think a monotheist cylon god (as opposed to the polytheistic Galacticans) is involved...
 
 
Lel
19:38 / 12.01.06
Well he was only half lying about his cylon detection method. He later came up with a working cylon detector (it worked on Boomer and he didn't tell anyone). So its possible he really did detect some abnormality. But the implication when it aired was certaintly that he was making the whole thing up.
 
 
sleazenation
21:09 / 12.01.06
Well quite - it is never quite made clear how the test works or if indeed it does actually work at all - it seems to work because it points out boomer is a cylon, but that could be due to Six's influence...

And so far Baltar appears to be the only one that can work the cylon detector... so it is only as trustworthy as Baltar is and as we have already seen this season he is quite capable of being a liar and a murderer...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:34 / 14.01.06
speaking of Baltar and Six...did we just see the end of Red Dress Six? Was his commitment to "Gina" erasing his delusional guilt... is that what we saw? His story in this latest episode was very interesting...just when the Baltar/Six story was getting really redundant and boring...

the biggest thing i enjoyed about this episode was simply how they treat the audience as intelligent adults able to see beyond sex in every moment. i'm talking about the Adama/Roslin kiss. Clearly a platonic kiss between friends, from one who is thankful but sad for his friend.

Normally that type of intimacy would have been played for the ambiguous sexual tension (moonlighting/mulder/scully syndrome). this show, though, understands that we will "get it" and not make hoo-ha out of it.

things i didn't enjoy about this episode were the obligatory near-death experience of Apollo, and the cop out surrounding Cain's death. i was looking forward to a Starbuck racked with guilt story arc.

hmm...so I wonder how long it will until Pegasus is inevitably destroyed?
 
 
sleazenation
16:24 / 14.01.06
speaking of Baltar and Six...did we just see the end of Red Dress Six? Was his commitment to "Gina" erasing his delusional guilt...

It is unknown if we have seen the last of the red dress six (or indeed quite what the red dress six is - she is the only non-corporeal cylon we've seen and she could just be a delusion in Baltar's head.

I would however argue about Baltar's guilt, or the very least his responsibility. There is no question that he is responsible for the fate of the 12 colonies. And he knows it. He should never have given a beautiful blonde access to the plans that he gave six access too without the appropriate security clearance. What is open to question is the amount of guilt he feels about those actions and interestingly enough I don't think Baltar has ever felt all that much guilt about anything he has done, be that womanizing or accidentally allowing his race's greatest enemies to cause genocide.

When Baltar found out the part he played in the destruction of the 12 colonies, his reaction was not one of guilt about or about his personal responsibility - it was one of fear that he might be found out. Equally look at the way he cheerfully killed crashdown (admittedly surprizing himself), and has never even thought of the consequences...

Baltar's moral compass is not all that reliable...
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:13 / 14.01.06
As to what the cylon plan actually is... that also remains uncertain.\ - according to Caprica Boomer i think a monotheist cylon god (as opposed to the polytheistic Galacticans) is involved...

Well, not 'involved' as 'actually exists and is pulling all the strings', more 'involved' as in how the same monotheist God is involved in President Bush's descisions and policy.
The presentation of religion in Galactica is fascinating, because for once the good guys are not following the Judeo-Christian tradition at all (not even an analogue): they're pagans. The bad guys are following the religion that most of us are familiar with, at one point Cylon-Boomer even says 'you shall have no God before me', referring to her unitary God. Oh, and, the Cylon's are fuckin' (or 'frakkin') Robots -Toasters- and yet they're religious fundamentalists.
Their plan? I would guess it's the usual 'death to the unbelievers' routine, but they also seem like they're trying to 'save' humanity, or at least human genes, by cross-breeding with humans- loving thy enemy in other words.
 
 
sleazenation
22:09 / 14.01.06
Well, not 'involved' as 'actually exists and is pulling all the strings', more 'involved' as in how the same monotheist God is involved in President Bush's descisions and policy.

I'd have to disagree because so far whenever Sx has offered a religious explanation, or prophesy thus far it has always been fulfilled, as opposed to Bush's pronouncements, usually backed up with religious language, which have proven wildly divergent from the facts on the ground (mission accomplished, anyone?).

The reimagined Battlestar Galactica is interesting mainly because it is such a product of its time - it is saturated in the themes of post 9/11 America, both in terms of politics and religion...
 
 
sleazenation
09:44 / 15.01.06
Lots of other niggly things...

I wanted Gina (the six from pegasus) to react more angryly to Baltar's refusal to kill her - I wanted her top recognise the enormity of what she has done - she wilfully betrayed the cylons and contributed intelligence that led to the deaths of tens of thousans of cylons - an even arguably on the same scale a the destruction of the twelve colonies and she did it because she didn't want to live herself... did it to specifically enable her to die.


Also - There is a murderous cylon lose in the fleet and everyone still seems remarkably calm. Gina killed Admiral Cain, possibly the single bestr defended officer in the fleet and the person most capable of defending themselves, killed them and disappeared into the night... Surely they can't think that anyone is safe if she has been killed... yet every one is calmlywaltzing about attending funerals and such... it just doesn't make sense...

Also, Helo and the cheif seem to be free by the end of the episode, without any mention of quashing their convictions or granting them a retrial. - again, i don't buy it. Therre are any number of ways to resolve the situation - a general presidential pardon in light of the great victory against the cylons for example, but we really needed to see it or have heard about it, otherwise it becomes another plot thread that has been fudged.
 
 
Seth
12:39 / 15.01.06
yet every one is calmlywaltzing about attending funerals and such... it just doesn't make sense...

Helo and the cheif seem to be free by the end of the episode... we really needed to see it or have heard about it, otherwise it becomes another plot thread that has been fudged.


I’d be surprised if you don’t get what you’re after. BSG spends a lot of time dealing with the aftermath of events. Just because we haven’t seen these yet, doesn’t mean we won’t. Next episode we’ll probably jump straight in to the Gina search and Helo/Chief stuff, and as usual they’ll probably do it in a way that indicates the story has been up and running for a while before we’re given a peek. I just assumed those story elements were in hand and we’d get to see them later.

As for the Gina’s assassination of Kane, I initially thought it was a cop-out too. But I think that’s more because BSG has wrongfooted us again when we were already quite committed to the idea that Starbuck would kill her. Instead we have a traumatised Apollo, cut adrift literally as well as symbolically, possibly the most idealistic character seemingly completely disillusioned with his Dad and the president and facing his own guilt about what he was almost capable of doing through blind loyalty. I have no idea where they’re going with that, but there was something in the way in which Apollo’s face bookended Kane’s funeral that made me wonder what they were trying to do with him. Cheap way of making us think he’d died? Hamfisted way of showing us that he wishes that he’d died, or that a part of him is now dead? Or an uncomfortable foreshadowing that there is now something very, very wrong with him?

The price for the seemingly easy victories of this episode will have to be paid somewhere, and it will be up to how they write the follow up stories to see whether Resurrection Ship II can be earned.
 
 
Spaniel
07:01 / 16.01.06
I think the file I downloaded was fucked up. There was no build up to the engagement with the Resurrection Ship, just Apollo blowing out its engines and subsequently getting blasted to bits and ejecting, and there was no funeral for Cain.

Can anyone confirm?
 
 
Seth
08:07 / 16.01.06
On the first point, there really was no build up. It was just straight in to the battle, Battlestars vs Base Stars, shot from Apollo's curiously detached perspective.

Kane definitely got blown out the door Spock style 3:16.
 
 
Spaniel
08:30 / 16.01.06
Oh dear, looks like another trip to Limewire for me.
 
 
sleazenation
10:45 / 16.01.06
Other niggles... the whole 'you're not my type' thing Gina say before dispatching Cain... I just struck me as a line written by a man with no concept of what Gina had been through... in the commentary he admits he originally planned to have gina and baltar kissing until the actress pointed out that a woman who has been systematically beaten and gang raped for months on end is unlikely to want to be touched at all much less jump into some serious tongue action...
 
 
Seth
09:57 / 17.01.06
I'm still not one hundred percent sure that Gina actually went through what everyone seems to think she went through. That's not to say that I think it's all an act, I' just not necessarily taking the series at face value. But yes, it could just be bad writing.

If it were justice Gina were after I'd have much preferred a storyline where she kidnaps Kane and tortures her. That could have been classic telly: Adama trying to rescue the woman he ordered assassinated, and the condition of Kane when she's recovered making him wish he had got Starbuck to off her. Nice reversals.

I think Barbelith should write for telly.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:52 / 17.01.06
Barbelith should so write for telly.

The thing I loved about this episode -- apart from that Cain is dead! And Starbuck didn't have to kill her -- is how the assassination plot really pushed that huge, blazing battle into the background. Destroying the resurrection ship, and the base star, weren't the main event. They were a given.

I, too, trust that next week those hanging threads will be dealt with, although sometimes I fear my trust in the writers is misplaced that way. It's more likely that we'll get answers in the podcast -- sloppy, Ron More, very sloppy. Where is Gina? Where has Baltar hidden her? How is he going to stop her killing herself, if that's what she wants?

Also, I really liked Gina's "You're not my type" line. It's pretty much the only queer-ish exchange I've seen on BG, with the exception of the intensity btw Starbuck and Cain. It wasn't necessarily 'realistic', but it worked. And what was up with Baltar's echoing that whole bit about the pyramid game to Gina? Did Six beg him not to because that somehow folds both personalities into one? This was also the first time Baltar was able to make Six 'leave'. His power is growing.
 
 
Lel
14:59 / 17.01.06
I think we will see more of Gina but it will all be centered around Baltar. The fleet will forget about her just like they forgot about the other model Six currently running around somewhere (remember the episode where Baltar is accused of betraying humanity?)
 
 
sleazenation
15:14 / 17.01.06
Sorry but being a bit of quasi-queering does not get that line off the hook as far as I'm concerned... I'd much rather see some queering that fits with the characterization and situation... but it's unlikely on this show, which is all about het-babymaking...

As for the Gina/six thing... it is interesting, and left deliberately unresolved. We don't know what the nature of separation between the two is... Does Gina already know the story that Baltar is telling her? Does she share six's memories?
 
 
Bed Head
15:45 / 17.01.06
I don't know about Gina’s line so much, but I liked what happened right after it - that, after all the macho bullshit about Not Flinching, and anticipating how Starbuck’s eulogy to Cain insists that 'she never flinched’, we see that the last thing she did was actually to have a good ol’ flinch. ie, doing exactly what anyone would do with a gun in their face, all military bullshit aside. Nicely undercut that stoopid eulogy, I thought.

This was also the first time Baltar was able to make Six 'leave'. His power is growing.

Yeah, well, maybe. He’s asked her to leave before, but the last time he tried *telling* her to go away, she bashed his head into a bathroom mirror. Ah, happy memories.

This 'making Six leave' thing coincided with the destruction of the resurrection ship though, so now we apparently have a Six and a Boomer who are effectively cut off from The Plan or from any Cylon schemes, who apparently have highly personal motivations, and who won’t and/or *can’t* simply return to the Cylons at the drop of a hat. They’re portrayed as being in the same boat as Galacticans, in fact. Can't go back.

So, here’s what I think was happening in that scene - Six-in-Baltar’s-head reiterates that she knows God’s plan for him and his destiny, which is something she’s been constantly reminding him about throughout the series; by defying/rejecting her, Baltar thinks he’s cutting himself loose from that plan and Taking Control, and where he and Gina go from here is maybe going to be The New Storyline, I think. But. Baltar only ‘activates’ this new phase of her life by parroting lines that his Six has fed him. Again, maybe he thinks he’s in charge of what he’s doing, but he *could* be simply responding to a prompt. I mean, her whole ‘I miss sports’ monologue was actually rather lovely. But what was it for, if not to provide him with something to say that he knows Gina will respond to? Or that he thinks he knows that she’ll respond to.

And I do kinda think that, assuming she's gone, this rejection of the non-corporeal Six has become a *necessary* readjustment for the show, because to continue with her knowing commentary was maybe making it too obvious that the Cylons always, always knew everything that was just about to happen. Baltar’s rejection of the plan/his place in the plan could be to give the *illusion* of seizing control/striking out to the unknown once again... so it’d be rather fine, I think, if this too is part of The Plan.
 
 
Lel
19:23 / 17.01.06
Yeah, well, maybe. He’s asked her to leave before, but the last time he tried *telling* her to go away, she bashed his head into a bathroom mirror. Ah, happy memories.

Ahhh, a key scene in the series I think. Doesn't that scene takes place before the real-life Six (the one that framed Baltar) is discovered. So it could very well have been her slaming his head into the wall. Which means up to that point, we really have no idea which of Baltar and Six's conversations were with the one in his head, and the real Six serving aboard BSG. Even he wouldn't know the difference. And notice that she hasn't been able to harm him since the real-Six was discovered.
 
 
Bed Head
21:59 / 17.01.06
Doesn't that scene takes place before the real-life Six (the one that framed Baltar) is discovered.

Sorry, man, the one I’m thinking of doesn’t. I’m thinking of a scene in Kobol’s Last Gleaming atthe end of S1 - he’s telling her that he wants a break, and she’s telling him to get his arse into gear and to get off the ship and onto the planet surface. And I think that was non-corporeal Six in action - I’m pretty sure that we even get to see that he’s alone in the bathroom. Don’t know *how* she banged his head, but I don’t really think it matters - what matters is that she does her whole prophetic thing, making sure he’s *always* in the right place at the right time.


Another thing with the latest episode. Agree with Mister Disco that watching the battle through Apollo’s eyes as he floated in his chair and watched from afar was really rather good.

Some pretty imagery to his hallucination, too - I always love it when BSG sticks some natural world imagery/natural light in, just for the sheer contrast to the rest of the show. But, seeing himself in crucifixion pose while the resurrection ship is being destroyed, no less, and do my eyes deceive me, or was he floating in a river with the current never carrying him downstream? Oh, I have my Apollo is a Cylon theory, and I’m going to grasp at any straw that helps me with it, dammit.

(So, in that vein, and just to Totally Go Off On One for a second, Apollo says to Starbuck in their first scene this episode that being there for each other is necessary, otherwise ‘we really are no different from the Cylons’. Then some ambiguous behaviour while he’s floating around - I’m unsure as to what purpose that whole ‘Dee trying to make contact’ scene could serve, if not to point out that he’s in range and maybe *could* speak to Galactica if only he wanted to. Likewise, does he deliberately take his hand away from the hole in his spacesuit and start letting the air out again? He still appears to be at least semi-conscious at that point, and later admits that he didn’t want to come back and feels all guilty for having let Starbuck down in exactly the terms he outlined at the beginning of the episode. So, really, what *could* all that be about? Me, I’m kinda hoping for an extended period of doubt and ‘omg, could I be a Cylon? Am I really a danger to Galactica?’-torment, a la Galactica Boomer in series 1.)

But whether he’s a Cylon or not doesn’t really matter, maybe. I’d be equally over the moon if all the vaguest of clues + creeping sense of doom are there, and he duly convinces himself that he definitely is a Cylon, and then feels cut adrift again when turns out not to be. That’d be fun. But anyway. Mostly, I agree with Seth in hoping/thinking his experience in this episode will turn out to be very significant for him, whatever it’s about and wherever it goes. And, ooh, nothing like a near-death experience for stimulating a character’s interest in religion - maybe he’ll start researching the Cylon religion. Somebody on this show needs to start exploring it for us.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:17 / 17.01.06
But, seeing himself in crucifixion pose while the resurrection ship is being destroyed, no less

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on that, to be honest...

I thought this was a great episode- my only disappointment was that it pretty much began focusing on the Adama/Apollo/Starbuck relationships, which have always been my favourite part. Then the plot got in the way, as I guess it had to.

I'd like an entire A/A/S episode again- I have to confess I cried in the season 1 episode where Starbuck confesses to Adama that she'd fudged Zach's flight test results. The dynamic between those three is what makes me care about them- and that's what makes me care about what happens in the rest of the show.

That aside, though- I'm glad it's back. 2 episodes in to the second half and it's like it never went away. And they've struck a decent balance again between the "mystical", "military" and "political" threads.

The whole "not flinching" thing too- the scene with Starbuck and Cain was exquisitely well-done. Slightly disappointed (though at the same time mightily relieved- she was SURROUNDED by Pegasus guys at the time, having just had to show her pass, and would have been SO dead) that she was never quite brought to the time of trial... but this being BG, there'll be plenty more hard decisions on the way.
 
 
Bed Head
21:01 / 22.01.06
So, no-one?

I’ve watched it twice and I’m still with Helo/Boomer/Baltar when they all ask the same question - but why, what’s changed, why now etc. It’s never really explained exactly *what* Roslin and Adama are thinking with this whole ‘abort the threat to our fleet’ thing. No doubt this is all cleared up in the podcast ho ho.

(Also, my downloaded copy came with a snippet of a commercial break, featuring what seemed to be a pro-life campaign advert - it’s been so long since I saw *any* commercials, and I’ve never seen any for something like that, but, jeez, if that’s what it was, then why would such a campaign be buying airtime in the middle of this show? I’m not quite seeing any great sympathy with the pro-life “message”. Or do these adverts just show all the time?)

Plus, that caricature of an anti-war movement was damn irritating. Especially the piggy-faced, absurdly short-tempered + petulant guy who acted as spokesperson. And besides, the idea that any anti-war movement would be infiltrated by the Cylons before it was infiltrated by the military seems kinda off. Like, way off.


There were some things I liked, though.
 
 
e-n
21:52 / 22.01.06
I was wondering about the delay in posts too but hadn't got anything insightful to say so I wasn't going to go first!

I too got the torrent with that snippet of the ad.
Very odd.

As for Roslin's change of heart over the baby, this might have made more sense if doc cotter had given some reason why the abnormalities in the baby's blood were a risk.They just left it hanging until Baltar came up with an explanation for why it was "odd" but wasn't a threat, but they never set out why it should eb a threat in the first place.I guess this must have been due to time constraints or they didn't want to use techno babble.

The anti war people come off as idiots, but then again, Baltar does says that its been weeks ago since he last saw number six and perhgaps in that time there's been no cylon attacks.

The producers might also be be playing with the perception of the fleet, something we haven't seen much of in the show. I'm probably wrong (as I haven't got the time to go back throughg the episodes right now), but when was the last time the actual fleet was attacked and not just the Battlestars or else the Battlestars have had an andventure and lost the fleet?

The colonials also had a treaty with the cylons after a war before but I think they just needed to set up spme new plot strands for the next few episodes and this seemed liek a good idea at the time.

Pig face was awful.

Oh and will someone court martial Helo all ready?
I know that everyone on this ship flouts authority but I had hoped that he wouldn't try and take on an assault team defending boomer baby, especially after all the talk about "raping machines" and heart searching in the Pegasus brig but I guess thats true love eh?

By the way for anyone not reafding th other thread Sky One in the UK have cut the spoiler bits from the beginning thank the gods!
 
 
sleazenation
22:51 / 22.01.06
And all this before we even get to the magic Deus Ex Machina magic cure for cancer...

Now it may be that Roslin's cure was planned from the very start... but for me it rang hollow and cheapened the entire show. If a character has a terminal illness, the need to die, especially one that is so heavily trailed. Stepping away so radically from such an established narrative element riskd diminishing the value of every other narrative element we are given.
 
 
Seth
23:45 / 22.01.06
Agreed. Roslyn’s cure was exactly what I was hoping wouldn’t happen, a cheap sci-fi end to a crucial plot strand delivered far too quickly and easily. You see, I could buy that the Cylon/Human hybrid has qualities that are extremely desirable, almost some kind of Holy Grail, and that natural immunities are one of them. That’s been pretty much set up already by the Cylon’s desperation to interbreed. But to have it trotted out so neatly, so quickly, and with so little leg-work to earn the moment, right in the nick of time, by sticking BoomerBaby with a needle and transferring some blood… it seemed appallingly ill-conceived. Up to now the cancer has been treated as it would in any non-SF show, and the abrupt about face seems to cheapen BSG’s established internal logic.

What exactly are we seeing here, BTW? I’ve not seen the podcasts. Where can I download them? I’m beginning to get the impression that Battlestar Galactica as shown in its forty-five minute slot is a rather lean and pruned beast… to the extent at which we’re missing vital parts of the narrative. I’ve heard rumours (can’t recall where for the time being) that Pegasus, the fulcrum of Series 2, actually exists on the DVD boxed set in a form twice as long as that which aired, with plenty more time given to Kane and the integration of the two crews/introduction of new characters. I’m coming round to the fact that there seem to be some glaring omissions in the writing that demand to be accounted for (the motivation for the termination of the pregnancy, the fallout from the last episode, the galvanising of a peace movement under a Cylon suspect, the whole three weeks later approach - are any of these things justified elsewhere, and if so, where?). Can the story not be told in the time allotted?
 
 
Bed Head
00:33 / 23.01.06
Alternatively, and I can’t remember where either, but I’m sure I’ve read Ron Moore going on about how the broadcast episode is the *finished* episode, that’s it, there will be no extended ‘Pegasus’ or anything like that. And while I think the idea of a podcast might be quite interesting as an extra, I really don’t want to be required to download something in order to get important bits. The whole 'Pegasus' thing has made me kinda resent the existence of those podcasts, actually.

And the broadcast episode *isn’t* so lean, either: there are scenes in every episode that seem to go nowhere or add nothing. It could be told in the time allotted. We didn’t really need quite so many flashbacks to Roslyn politicking on Caprica, we didn’t need the shots of her being wheeled down corridors. I personally could’ve lived without three whole scenes of Helo Not Understanding this week. A minute here, a minute there, and then there’ll be room for important plot stuff. But, yeah, abnormalities in a fetus - could be a threat, could be a miracle cure, omg what to do... that’s something that could have been a sub-plot bubbling under for more than one episode. At least. They’ve had zillions of dopey Sharon/Helo scenes with them doing nothing but gazing at each other thru the bars, but has that gone anywhere for the past half-dozen episodes?


Argh. Besides, this particular cure for cancer = appallingly ill-conceived, yes, absolutely. How does it affect the prez’s view of herself as fulfiller of Pithian prophesies, f’rexample? Presumably she’s not leading them to salvation if the dying leader finds a miracle cure. Does this mean the prez with the visions and the arrow and clutching her bible as she scrambled around on Kobol, all that is now suddenly swept aside? It seemed so important at the time.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:08 / 23.01.06
(Also, my downloaded copy came with a snippet of a commercial break, featuring what seemed to be a pro-life campaign advert - it’s been so long since I saw *any* commercials, and I’ve never seen any for something like that, but, jeez, if that’s what it was, then why would such a campaign be buying airtime in the middle of this show? I’m not quite seeing any great sympathy with the pro-life “message”. Or do these adverts just show all the time?)

Are you talking about the floating fetus commercial?

Cause that was a commercial for BSG, actually. I can only imagine it was cut short for whatever reason. But the fetus continues floating around, and then you see it's spine light up red, and there is some narration about how it will change everything or some such...followed by the BSG logo.
 
  

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