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Tryphena Absent
20:35 / 05.03.06
I wonder if carp or nagging fishwife came first?
 
 
*
20:41 / 05.03.06
Nagging fishwife, in English, at any rate. It's Anglo-Saxon. Carp are native mostly to the Pacific drainages of East Asia. So far as I know, the auld Angles were not angling for carp in China, so nagging fishwife (naeglynge feoscwyf) must be the earlier construction.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:44 / 05.03.06
I think etymologically carp the fish and carp the verb have different roots, oddly enough.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:48 / 05.03.06
Ah. Id way ahead of me there. Mind you, naeglynge feoscwyf is so going to be the name of my first fennec.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:51 / 05.03.06
But why fishwife in the first place?

What was it about wives of Fishermen that coined such a horrible phrase?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:54 / 05.03.06
I don't think a fishwife is the wife of a fisherman, necessarily - rather a woman who sells fish at market (who presumably would often be the wife of a fisherman)... so, presumably it compares one to someone who bellows a lot.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:56 / 05.03.06
I'm guessing the fishing community from whence it probably sprang, being largely blokes on boats, was fairly misogynistic- at least in the sense of "being a bunch of blokes on a boat, being fairly bored, and mostly having in common the fact that they had wives back on land, getting round to moaning about them, because they had to moan about SOMETHING other than the fact that they'd caught absolutely knack-all fish and it was raining, but they wanted to moan and didn't want to seem like they could neither catch fish very well nor cope with a spot of drizzle". Like a locker room, but without the lockers, and with a wobblier floor.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:07 / 05.03.06
Ahhhhh, Albion...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:10 / 05.03.06
I'm annoying me at the moment. I think I should just go to bed, or watch a movie or something, and stop taking out my shit on everyone else.

We don't have an apologies thread, and I'm too grumpy to start one, so I'm putting it here.

G'night, or maybe see you in a couple of hours, Barbelith. I'll try to be less annoying.
 
 
Shrug
22:16 / 05.03.06
We sort of do have an apologies thread with "I just wanted to say I know I was wrong".
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:17 / 05.03.06
Well, or they could have just actually got married to fish.

Long-term relationships are notoriously hard to handle - she'd be able to go and see him, but he'd struggle a bit to live in her world unless he was in... a bowl. In a cage. His resentments about this would tend to spill out once he was back in the sea, lofting a few dry ones with the other cod, rays and so on.

Meanwhile, back on the surface the brides of said 'catches' would, quite understandly, begin to feel as if they'd been stiffed a bit on the arrangement, seeing as they were the ones who had to make the effort to keep the marriage together, in terms of trying to breathe underwater, to make all the compromises etc, or else their husbands would feel trapped.

That kind of situation's going to stress out anyone, really.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:20 / 05.03.06
Shrub- I don't think I've been wrong- I just think I've been a bit of a git. G'night (I mean it this time...)
 
 
Shrug
22:34 / 05.03.06
Ah, yes, okay then. It could be stretched to wrong in manner, maybe. It's a useful thread in that more people should make use of it. I'd bump it myself but I think I'm more frequently stupidly off-topic or terribly unclear than outright wrong, which is a bit different (which is my general and vague barbannoy).
 
 
Orange
23:23 / 05.03.06
And someday, I hope that the fishwives who are married to fishermen and the fishwives who are married to fish can overcome their differences, understand the parallels between their tragic circumstances, and embrace each other as sisters. Power to fishwives of all kinds, I say.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:30 / 05.03.06
To be fair, Stoatie, your behaviour's quite some way down on the Barbelith scale of gitness.
 
 
Chiropteran
23:38 / 05.03.06
I think etymologically carp the fish and carp the verb have different roots, oddly enough.

From Merriam-Webster:

carp vb "Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Icelandic karpa to dispute"

carp n "Middle English carpe, from Middle French, from Late Latin carpa, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German karpfo carp"

FWIW.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:42 / 06.03.06
Also FWIW,

a woman who sells fish at market (who presumably would often be the wife of a fisherman)

I think this must be a holdover from a time when "wife" just meant, you know, "female", and all animals had "wives"--the the wife-fish, wife-dog, the wife-cat, the wife-man, the wife-bat, etc.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:42 / 06.03.06
Good lord, no one is going to get this joke, either.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:47 / 06.03.06
The Wife-Man and her sidekick, Niece?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
01:47 / 06.03.06
Man-Bat?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:50 / 06.03.06
No, no, it's a very silly pun. Shall I explain it? It won't be funny if I do.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:50 / 06.03.06
PS-Jack, maybe you read too many comics.
 
 
Triplets
02:25 / 06.03.06
the the wife-fish

Do you see?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:23 / 06.03.06
The fact that this guy has seen fit to change his name to "Sensitive Rapist". Aww, issums scawed of da big bad feminism fweads dens?
 
 
eddie thirteen
01:48 / 07.03.06
I gotta admit, I'm dying to hear him defend why he made the change (which I suspect is consciously motivated by nothing more than attention-getting), and to watch what happens once he has...is that sadistic?
 
 
Loomis
08:56 / 09.03.06
Do we really need to barbquote every putdown? Putdowns have their place, but I'd like to think that our favourite quotes that we want to record for posterity could be a little more positive.

I know it's not an original thought to wonder whether there's too much of a focus on shitflinging on Barbelith. But when the snark not only fills the original threads but must be quoted elsewhere so we can all have a little titter at how wittily we can abuse people, I think it's time to have a think about what we want this place to be.
 
 
Mistoffelees
09:10 / 09.03.06
Yes, more positive quotes!

I quote Xoc´s cool badgers:


He´s done more of them, but I can only find this one.
 
 
Loomis
09:20 / 09.03.06
[whispers] pssst! Mist! This isn't the barbquotes thread. I came here for a whinge because it's the barbannoy thread. By all means spread the badgers though. [/whispers]
 
 
Mistoffelees
09:52 / 09.03.06
Oops, that´s what happens, if I open ten threads at once. Sorry.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:43 / 11.03.06
It's a really, really small thing, to the point that I despise my own pedantry, but loath (or loth) is the adjective, loathe is the verb.
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:50 / 11.03.06
That reminds me of so many people mixing up loose and to lose.
 
 
Ganesh
12:18 / 11.03.06
Or breath/breathe.
 
 
Shrug
12:24 / 11.03.06
It's a really, really small thing, to the point that I despise my own pedantry, but loath (or loth) is the adjective, loathe is the verb.

That I never knew.
I was thinking about bath/bathe earlier this week. Although, afaik, in that case both are acceptable to use for the act of cleansing.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:39 / 11.03.06
SHUT UP OR I WILL CUT YOU.

Ahem.

To bath is to wash somebody in a bath, or to take a bath. To bathe is to immerse something in fluid, which may or may not be in a bath.
 
 
Shrug
12:44 / 11.03.06
Ah, well, in that case thanks for setting me straight.

But I would sow a tear in my pants but sew crops, right?
*evil laughter*
 
  

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