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Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:02 / 05.06.07
Urgh. See what you mean, Papers.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:33 / 05.06.07
I'm sure you fuckers enjoy this. This is how you get back at me isn't it? --Frosty

No, I doubt very much that we do. I especially don't, because I was vaguely starting to think of you as someone who'd got off to a rocky start here but who had demonstrated a real willingness to listen to what people were telling him, take it on board and make changes in their approach. You have these tantalising lucid moments, you see. And then you have to post stuff like that, and I get so disappointed.

And from the Headshop...

A lot of trans activists bandy terms like queer around without any apparent understanding of the terminology. Some of us have studied gender & sexual theory/politics at university, rather than - say - engineering...

Yeah, those silly old trans activists! Thinking they might know something about terms like queer when they didn't even take a degree in gender studies! And--engineering, you say? Well, frankly, I think anyone with a background in one of those evil hard sciences is too tainted by hir evident lust for male privilege to be allowed anywhere near gender politics. EVER.
 
 
Spaniel
09:34 / 05.06.07
Yes. Indeed.

What's pissing me off about Barbelith today? Other than the above? Well, what's above that, frankly.

Te, if you ever read this, please note that I find all your talk of random posting extremely suspect. You're either being very dumb or very disingenuous.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
09:43 / 05.06.07
and would love it if somebody could design a keyboard with a key that automatically types out the response for ease of use.

You could assign a string of text to a function key on your keyboard to do just that, if you liked.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:47 / 05.06.07
See this is it: I honestly believe JF/Fireman/Te/On Leave found that icon floating around somewhere and thought it was so hilarious he couldn't wait for someone to use the word "race" in a discussion so he could post it. I don't think it ever entered his head that the icon's creator might have had something more ugly in mind than "aww, aren't little kids funny when they're all serious?" or that a discussion touching on issues of race might be motivated by real and genuine political beliefs and concerns, rather than this oft-invoked desire to impress some notional audience.

On Leave: I still think that your heart is in the right place, dude, but your head isn't. Your future round these parts rests on your ability to extract it from your arse.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:48 / 05.06.07
Well, frankly, I think anyone with a background in one of those evil hard sciences is too tainted by hir evident lust for male privilege to be allowed anywhere near gender politics. EVER.

Hey! I..uh...um....

Fair point, carry on.
 
 
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11:09 / 05.06.07
Urghh, I'm a bit gutted that this has surfaced again, but I guess I caused it, so I really hope that this clears up any further confusion :

I was vaguely starting to think of you as someone who'd got off to a rocky start here but who had demonstrated a real willingness to listen to what people were telling him, take it on board and make changes in their approach.

Yeah I do, seriously. When it comes down to it though, I just had a stupid moment and posted the image, and like Haus pointed out in a lot more detail, the consequences of doing that at this site were something I'd totally forgotten.

Te, if you ever read this, please note that I find all your talk of random posting extremely suspect. You're either being very dumb or very disingenuous.

To be completely honest and recall the reason I did it as much as possible at this moment in time : It was a mixture of a lot of things, as most things are. Mainly though it was a pretty selfish way of posting it and then laughing at the post like a stupid kid would, and hoping some others would also get the nonsensical nature of it, and that the thread would just carry on as it did. And yes, I have my very dumb side, and it was maybe disingenuous because of the way that I'd again got pissed off about the site recently and I didn't really care about posting it, and maybe even a childish dig because of the way I've been finding the music forum a bit crap recently, apart from one or two threads. (which is one of the reasons why I've spent a lot more time at music sites lately, where I found the gif that just made me laugh, and still does, maybe because it reminds me of the way that adults will often leave serious issues unspoken in fear of causing a shitstorm, and a kid will be around who'll just point out very clearly that something is wrong, and say what the adults never had the courage to say in the firstplace. It's something I love about kids and that nearly always makes me laugh.)

And yeah, it was the wrong way to go about it, but when I think of the way I'd been wasted the day before, and recent personal shit like going through two courses of depression on meds and my mate pointing out to me that my hair was thinning out and I was maybe starting to go bald the previous night, things kind of fit together a little more..

On Leave: I still think that your heart is in the right place, dude, but your head isn't. Your future round these parts rests on your ability to extract it from your arse.

Yeah I know, and if I carry on having stupid moments and get banned, I'll accept that with no probs at all, because I'm sure there'll be nothing I can do about it and I'll deserve it. Will try and remain unbanned though with a lot more effort this time hopefully. It'll probably come down to leaving my stupider side to express itself in other places, which I'm fine with.

and from the beginning again, something I missed :

Right. Christ knows why, On Leave, formerly Te, formerly the Cosmic Neo Fireman, you've seen fit to post about this in two threads if you're really not that wound up about it.

The second post was me wound up, admitted, but the first one came about after Haus wrote :

Otherwise, Conversation.

...which resulted in the gif following two of his comments instead of one, about two minutes after I'd seen his post. (as I doubled or tripled my asshattery, however you want to quantify it, gifs or posts.)

I'm just gonna hope that this is about done now, because I can't really think of anything that I haven't tried my best to explain. I think that accepting the nature of the site will probably be the best thing I can remember from here on out.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:25 / 05.06.07
But I still don't know what you mean by "the nature of the site" and what it is about it that fails to satisfy you and has been pissing you off, On Leave. Clearly it's not the taking-things-too-seriously thing as this precedes that. Can you dig a little deeper? As a moderator of the Music Forum who occasionally takes an interest in trying to keep it shambling onwards, I'd be especially keen to know why you've "been finding the music forum a bit crap recently, apart from one or two threads". What's been crap about it? How might this be rectified?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
11:35 / 05.06.07
Hey On Leave. Thanks for explaining things to everyone. I hope you don't get banned in the future, and I hope that maybe you'll start some threads in the music forum that are more to your liking. The Angel of Death one in the youtube thread was pretty cool. Anyway, just wanted to say hi, and hope you feel better.
 
 
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11:40 / 05.06.07
But I still don't know what you mean by "the nature of the site" and what it is about it that fails to satisfy you and has been pissing you off, On Leave. Clearly it's not the taking-things-too-seriously thing as this precedes that. Can you dig a little deeper?

It probably stems right back to first joining and my own misconceptions. Thinking it was going to be a site full of Invisibles fans and all the things that would follow that, and then finding something different as the site had for a large part moved on from that and had turned into a site covering all the different subjects it does. I think it's just my own selfish notions of what I'd love the site to be like, so with me realising more as time goes on that this is the case, I'm more inclined to just accept it for what it is.

As a moderator of the Music Forum who occasionally takes an interest in trying to keep it shambling onwards, I'd be especially keen to know why you've "been finding the music forum a bit crap recently, apart from one or two threads". What's been crap about it? How might this be rectified?

Ah this is just down to my own tastes in music, and not seeing as many threads about it as I'd like to. It's again me wanting more of what I'd like to see and not appreciating the varied things that people are into, so a problem on my part again. There's a pretty big pattern of it coming right back to my own hang-ups though, so maybe there's nothing that really needs to be changed.
 
 
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11:43 / 05.06.07
Thanks Jack, that's really cool of you, and yeah, I'll maybe make one or two more threads in the future about bands I prefer, instead of wondering why there aren't any threads about them.
 
 
Seth
12:38 / 05.06.07
Ah this is just down to my own tastes in music, and not seeing as many threads about it as I'd like to. It's again me wanting more of what I'd like to see and not appreciating the varied things that people are into, so a problem on my part again.

YO! If you'd like threads on music that you like, please start them yourself and do your best to make them interesting for discussion and informative even for people who may not be into the band. Give us links to where we can check them out too.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:44 / 05.06.07
Well, I think one of the things the site is not is a place where black people are intrinsically amusing - if this was an Invisibles fan site, pure and simple, it would probably look a lot more like an open sewer, as people vied for the favour of their absent deity by being as outrageous (11! 23!) as possible. At least around here we vie for the etc by asking to be made moderators instead. Pretty small footprint.

So, we get to the "I shouldn't have done this on this site", which is an interesting one. Certainly, I think it's useful to be aware that different environments have different expectations of conduct. However, I think that also has to be underpinned by an understanding for and a respect towards the reasons why these expectations should be different.

Example - John, the Exploding Boy, who understood _that_ he would receive a negative response if he called women slappers, say, on Barbelith. However, he didn't understand _why_ - except that Barbelith was more "sensitive" than the other environments in which he operated. As such, the same thing had to be explained every time, and almost exactly the same process gone through. Ultimately, he left Barbelith in perplexed rage, because he could not get his head round the idea that anyone could _actually_ not agree with him for any other reason than a desire to be offended by things that were not really there. It was very sad, and also very tiring.

So, if these things are learning experiences, that is at least a progress narrative. Bit of reacclimation often useful when returning to an environment.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
15:54 / 05.06.07
I think I might just leave the Temple alone for a bit. Perhaps quite a long time. Or I may end up setting fire to my eyes.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:28 / 05.06.07
Know the feeling.
 
 
illmatic
17:45 / 05.06.07
Sibelian: If you are talking about the Abyss comments, I don't know. "The Abyss" is yet again one of those terms that means anything and everything (I seem to keep saying this - see also "magic", "liberation") and gets thrown around all over the place with little regard for it's original meaning/context.

I actually think The Temple has been better than normal, the last few days.
 
 
illmatic
17:52 / 05.06.07
In short, I don't think "The Abyss" as Crowley talks of it, means times of severe distress and despair. Calling that "The Abyss" and therefore giving it some sort of macho validation means you should get hit round the head with a saucepan, IMO. It's much more of an existential confrontation in Crowley and the best thing I ever read about this was an essay by Ben Rowe critiqing Crowley's ideas, saying as far as he was concerned the whole thing didn't exists and that the Big C was, in fact, talking bollocks.
 
 
illmatic
18:03 / 05.06.07
Good discussion Here after excruiatingly shitty first post. Rowe essay> The Illsion of the Abyss.
 
 
Quantum
18:35 / 05.06.07
There is no gap between the divine and human levels of existence; the transcendent being is already constantly present and active in every person Rowe

That's a great essay, thanks Apophenia. I may bump or create an Abyss thread because my experience is more like his that AC's, but tomorrow, I am extremely low on spoons at the moment and might cry and shout.
Sibelian, if you're going to take a break then a) we'll miss you and await your return and b) you can do more totem pictures and finish your article, can't you? GET TO WORK!

My annoy is the temple-as-a-microcosm-of-the-board phenomenon, with the stupid questions thread as the mini-convo. I don't know why, but it just makes me feel like it's a small pond, or ghetto. I'm as guilty as anyone in hanging out in the Temple more than the rest of the board, but often people will pop up, only post there and assume everyone follows the same path, then drift away or implode, only venturing elsewhere rarely and not really getting the board. I don't know why I'm moaning really, I think I'm just in a bad mood.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:36 / 05.06.07
Not a Barbannoy, particularly, but perhaps if people are going to talk about what's getting their goat on teh board, they could be a bit more clear about the details?

It seems a bit much to type in 'Entire Forum X makes me sick' or related, without providing at least a couple of thread-specific examples which those of us ghouls who hover around Barbelith in the hope of a decent argument (which is as meat and drink to our withered souls) can then head to directly, you know?

I often feel like Dot Cotton, trying to ferret out the latest gossip at the Queen Vic. And I shouldn't have to feel that way, should I?
 
 
Feverfew
19:00 / 05.06.07
Not unless you want to.

And, admit it, you want to.

I know what you mean - but I suspect people are more comfortable being nonspecific rather than saying "This post by Poster X really annoys me".

It's probably just politeness as opposed to "Oh noes! If I say this about Poster X they'll use teh chaos majix on me!"

(I hope.)
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
19:40 / 05.06.07
TTS - Let us go ARRRG together.

ARRRG.

Apo - most useful, thank you, that WAS *part* of my irritance but it's really the general extent to which some people whom I would rather not name are seemingly almost deliberately missing the point, occasionally whilst seemingly deliberately obscuring things, hardly a bannable offence but OWWWWWWW, hence my vagueness. Yes, I was using the term "Abyss" somewhat loosely, and perhaps should have made judicious use of inverted commas.

I wonder if my little rant further down thread from the beginning of that particular sub-topic was TMI, actually.

AG - I wondered if someone would say something like that. I'm not particularly convinced my annoyance is reasonable. I have to process it.

QC - Fear not, I shall return...

Peppermint - Quite so.

Wow. Lots of attention! Should I post to Barbannoy more often?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:08 / 05.06.07
I suspect people are more comfortable being nonspecific rather than saying "This post by Poster X really annoys me".

Sure, but to lay into a whole forum seems a bit too vague, also. Perhaps something like 'Thread X is doing my piles in', with reasons, might be the way forward? Although even then, I suppose it might be better to reply directly.

(I realise I'm arguing against the very existence of what's possibly my favourite thread on Barbelith, here ...)
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:17 / 05.06.07
The most recent page of Scary Sex Stuff thread annoys me because it's just gone beyond anything I have the energy to engage with ~ sometimes you feel it would take you all day to respond to the things that you feel need nudging, questioning or correcting, and it still wouldn't really do any good.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:25 / 05.06.07
I think the Temple has suddenly got a lot more betterer in the last few days, but the stuff that was getting on my wick a week ago is still basically there. It's just tuned down to a dull roar.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
20:33 / 05.06.07
I think the Temple has suddenly got a lot more betterer in the last few days, but the stuff that was getting on my wick a week ago is still basically there. It's just tuned down to a dull roar.

Wot TTS said.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:43 / 05.06.07
The most recent page of Scary Sex Stuff thread annoys me because it's just gone beyond anything I have the energy to engage with ~ sometimes you feel it would take you all day to respond to the things that you feel need nudging, questioning or correcting, and it still wouldn't really do any good.

...which is pretty much why I stopped engaging with it last night, at least for the moment. Felt as though we were going round and round in circles...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:12 / 05.06.07
I know I ought to be wading in too, but I just don't have the gumption right now. I think I have feminist fatigue.
 
 
Ticker
23:20 / 05.06.07
I think I have feminist fatigue.

I seem to have it as well. I don't know about you but I could use a drink and a cabana person to attend to my fetching needs while I take the cure. (is it me, or it that example of shit grammar actually somewhat fun?)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:25 / 06.06.07
Cabana people for everyone! Highly paid, of course. With excellent mixology skills.
 
 
HCE
04:54 / 06.06.07
Sorry, where is this thread?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:58 / 06.06.07
Here. Enter at own risk, et cetera et cetera.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
07:41 / 06.06.07
Calling that "The Abyss" and therefore giving it some sort of macho validation means you should get hit round the head with a saucepan, IMO

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to this, Apo, but yes, I agree, waving "Abyss" scars about seeking validation is a bit sad. What I was hoping to point out in my little rant was that having a bad time in life doesn't necessarily convey magical abilities, if we all became more magically powerful when we had a bad time then pops and sparks would be flying from paediatric oncology wards across the country, wouldn't they? But even saying that's a little flippant, I suppose... I was essentially agreeing with TTS's original comment, albeit perhaps in an unhelpful way.

The thing that peeved me was brother george deciding that I was being serious when I said that a proper abyss should have tentacly monsters.

It will teach *me* not to make jokes in the Temple.
 
 
Quantum
08:51 / 06.06.07
No, it should teach you to use sarcasm punctuation for the weak of mind.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
09:26 / 06.06.07
Wot, like this?



Are you sure? REALLY SURE?
 
  

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