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08:54 / 04.06.07
And like I said, I have an odd sense of humour, and that obviously doesn't click around here, so maybe I should just use the place to talk about music, taoism and films, and fuck around elsewhere.

I still can't believe all this. We're just wasting our time because you guys think I'm on an ego-attention-this-is-all-about-me-me-me trip, when all I was actually doing was just amusing myself and hoping one or two others would have a chuckle aswell. I'm really not wound up at all now, just confused at the nature of this site again and pretty amused. I can't understand how this is so serious! This place is really wierd at times.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:55 / 04.06.07
I don't think being taken too seriously is a problem you have ever faced on Barbelith, nor are you likely to, you unintentional clown.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:55 / 04.06.07
And how much time and effort would have been saved if you had not posted it in the first place, thus wasting the time and energy of the moderators of the Music thread? Good use of "retarded" there, as well.

Now, you don't appear to have answered my question. Since only some of us have telepathic powers, presumably not everyone could have been expected to have known that your action was taken without any thought whatsoever, and that the one and only reason I posted the gif in response to your post was that it was the first thing I saw that had anything about race in it that I saw once I had the gif- I suppose we should just thank Heaven it wasn't the Darfur or Duke University threads.

So, once again:

Question one - are you denying that anyone had a problem with your actions? Presumably not. Are you, then, saying that you still don't understand these problems - that you don't understand the sequence of words forming sentences with which people have expressed them?
 
 
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09:11 / 04.06.07
I suppose we should just thank Heaven it wasn't the Darfur or Duke University threads.

Hahaha! Thanks, that's probably the funniest thing I've read here in quite a while.

So, once again:

Question one - are you denying that anyone had a problem with your actions? Presumably not. Are you, then, saying that you still don't understand these problems - that you don't understand the sequence of words forming sentences with which people have expressed them?


Ok, you're right on the first one, I'm not. As for the second, it's still confusing, but that's probably because I don't hang around here that much now, and at some other sites I use that just wouldn't have been a problem. I still don't see any response to what I've been saying from the off though too, about this place been too uptight and taking itself so seriously. What about that?

I mean : I know there's reasons why things aren't as crazy as other sites, and that's cool, but it looks like it's shifted too far into a controlling mentality and too much time is wasted on things like this. But yeah, I can see now how posting a random-type gif image in a thread here can be a wrong thing to do, but I don't agree that it should be such a problem in the firstplace.

And tbh the first barbannoy post was made because I actually care about this place, and it makes me a bit sad to see something like that taken so seriously.

And just incase you're wondering : I don't like it when things are dragged out like this, because all this typing is really bugging me. I thought the barbannoy stuff often gets left as a one off rant, but I suppose I have a history around here so it's gone into this type of thing all over again.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:23 / 04.06.07
Work with me.

As for the second, it's still confusing, but that's probably because I don't hang around here that much now, and at some other sites I use that just wouldn't have been a problem. I still don't see any response to what I've been saying from the off though too, about this place been too uptight and taking itself so seriously. What about that?

OK - so you are confused about the objections people are raising. As such, rather than attempt to understand them, why are you instead assuming that they are a consequence of this place been too uptight and taking itself so seriously?
 
 
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09:39 / 04.06.07
why are you instead assuming that they are a consequence of this place been too uptight and taking itself so seriously?

Because one gif image of a kid saying "That's rascist!" has generated so many words after it, and I'm not sure if many other sites on the net would've gone into this length about it. I think it's uptight because it was minutes before someone posted asking for the post to be deleted, and over-serious because there's so little sense of humour about it. Ok, it wasn't even that funny, but this type of over analysis after something so small and random is what often happens here.

I think I'll just take my wierd sense of humour elsewhere for the most part like I said, and use this place to chat about stuff in future. I think I'd go slightly mental if I had to go through this again. And with the retarded thing : my brother has been mentally retarded and physically disabled since birth, pretty badly in some areas aswell, but the use of that word to explain a messed up situation like this seems fitting to me. Sorry for any offence caused to others.

I think my main problem is that I don't feel like I can have a laugh around here, but don't seem to have a problem doing it elsewhere. Maybe that's what pisses me off. My sense of humour just doesn't fit around here, so I'll take that elsewhere.
 
 
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09:44 / 04.06.07
I'm sure you fuckers enjoy this. This is how you get back at me isn't it?
 
 
Quantum
09:48 / 04.06.07
I still don't see any response to what I've been saying from the off though too, about this place been too uptight and taking itself so seriously. What about that?

I think, perhaps, that your perception of the board might be different to other people's. Perhaps try re-phrasing that as 'I feel you (Barbelith posters) are acting too uptight and taking yourselves too seriously, it's only the internet after all, jeez guys where's your sense of humour' as a slightly more accurate phrasing.

I'm not sure how these two paragraphs fit together;

And tbh the first barbannoy post was made because I actually care about this place, and it makes me a bit sad to see something like that taken so seriously.

And just incase you're wondering : I don't like it when things are dragged out like this, because all this typing is really bugging me. I thought the barbannoy stuff often gets left as a one off rant, but I suppose I have a history around here so it's gone into this type of thing all over again.


So, you care about this place, but all the typing bugs you? I've no idea of your history, personally, but 'this type of thing' is people being annoyed with you.
Quite refreshing to be accused of over-seriousness at a time when captioned pics about Aleister Crowley's hat and a walrus with a bucket are a standard response.
 
 
Quantum
09:50 / 04.06.07
I think I'll just take my wierd sense of humour elsewhere

Bye then.

I'm sure you fuckers enjoy this. This is how you get back at me isn't it?

Wow, you're way paranoid.
 
 
Quantum
09:54 / 04.06.07
So, I had a peek at the posts that started you off and I noticed this ;

I went to the Barbannoy thread, probably because I'm bored and this place winds me up sometimes

Are you just bored? I think you need to calm down, it's only the internet dude.
 
 
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09:54 / 04.06.07
So, you care about this place, but all the typing bugs you? I've no idea of your history, personally, but 'this type of thing' is people being annoyed with you.

Yes and yes to the first bit. I have a history of saying how things piss me off around here from time to time, but nearly always forget that this is what follows. It's my own fault.
 
 
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09:59 / 04.06.07
Are you just bored? I think you need to calm down, it's only the internet dude.

Yeah agreed. I think I try to wind people up too and it sometimes just backfires horribly. Maybe karma for taking the piss so much when I first arrived here. Then all this that follows wears me down while Haus and Flyboy stand in the distance pointing and laughing at me.

Maybe it's time to search for a more suitable gif image, brb.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:09 / 04.06.07
I am not pointing and laughing, kiddo. I am exerting a surprising amount of energy on trying to make you less likely to behave in a way that will earn you scorn and eventually may get you banned, even though I do not personally feel that Barbelith would be noticeably the poorer for your absence. That is, I am selflessly trying to help you.
 
 
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10:14 / 04.06.07
Ok, that's cool, thanks for the help.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:14 / 04.06.07
Dude, at least part of this is down to the fact that the gif just isn't that funny. I mean yeah, maybe taken in isolation there's a tiny bit of comedy there, but in the context of a discussion? The only reason for posting that gif in a discussion is to say to another person "I think you're making a spurious accusation of racism so I'm going to take the piss out of you." That's it. There is nothing else you can say with that gif. That's why it's so SHAGGING IRRITATING.

Maybe you ought to think about why people who routinely get hammered for having the temerity to point up incidents of casual racism might not find your little animation all that funny.
 
 
Quantum
10:24 / 04.06.07
I think I try to wind people up

Mission accomplished.
 
 
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10:25 / 04.06.07
Yeah ok, no probs. Will leave out the 'random gif in the middle of a thread' stuff in future.
 
 
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10:32 / 04.06.07
I think I try to wind people up

Mission accomplished.


Ah I'm not denying that. Maybe I just miss this place when it used to be livelier, and a few crazier characters would be around. Like I said, it's my own fault, and as Haus added, carrying on will only get me banned anyway.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:39 / 04.06.07
A trickster figure. A bit like Coyote.

Now.

Because one gif image of a kid saying "That's rascist!" has generated so many words after it, and I'm not sure if many other sites on the net would've gone into this length about it.

Well, that's not quite true, is it? For one thing, we are only going to this length because you demanded that we address it, by reposting the deleted conversation not once but twice, here and in the "Oh dear" thread. So, that's all you. Second, it is not the case that many other sites on the net would not have responded to it - if you had posted it to the forum of the NAACP, for example, or the ACLU, I imagine you might have found that it would have been responded to pretty sharply. What you mean is that other bulletin boards you frequent would not have responded to it. In this case, you have decided that these other bulletin boards are "right" in their attitudes - which, coincidentally, happens also to be your attitude - and that Barbelith is wrong - is uptight and takes things too seriously. All this actually _means_ is that you are, perfectly naturally, assuming that there is a naturally correct level of uptightness, and that you happen to operate at it.

Now, that is perfectly natuural - it's normal to assume that your reaction to stimuli is correct, and that anyone who reacts differently is just being difficult. See, for example, XK's trouble getting her father to understand the implications of the things he forwards - memes, if you like - here. Or Gourami's trouble getting somebody to confront the consequences of their actions when they posted offensive jokes about Chicano/a people on their noticeboard, here.

However. A little reflection might help one to consider that it would be a remarkable coincidence if _everyone else_ was wrong all the time if they did not react like you, and you were by the same token right, also all the time. People here have told you that a) your post was threadrot (which I think is incontestable), but it is pretty clear that the response to the threadrot aspect was aggravated and exacerbated by, as TTS has posted while I draft this, some abreaction to the apparent dismissal or mockery of questions of the treatment of race, and that dismissal involving a funny animated GIF of a black child - and the idea that you had this funny black child and were looking for an excuse to stick it into a thread is not entirely helpful as an alternative. This is quite important to understanding the response you got, I think - it is not "random gif in the middle of a thread", but "random gif exhibiting questionable use of issues of race in thread discussing, among other things, issues of race". That's important, here, and I think it's something that you haven't really got a handle on.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:07 / 04.06.07
Maybe I just miss this place when it used to be livelier, and a few crazier characters would be around.

Well at this rate I shall soon be back on the special pills, so maybe you'll get your wish.
 
 
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11:12 / 04.06.07

Well, that's not quite true, is it? For one thing, we are only going to this length because you demanded that we address it, by reposting the deleted conversation not once but twice, here and in the "Oh dear" thread. So, that's all you.


Well I just ranted as a barbannoy, but wasn't demanding that it was addressed. I'd have preferred it if you'd have just ignored me now aswell, heh.

Second, it is not the case that many other sites on the net would not have responded to it - if you had posted it to the forum of the NAACP, for example, or the ACLU, I imagine you might have found that it would have been responded to pretty sharply.What you mean is that other bulletin boards you frequent would not have responded to it. In this case, you have decided that these other bulletin boards are "right" in their attitudes - which, coincidentally, happens also to be your attitude - and that Barbelith is wrong - is uptight and takes things too seriously.

You have it right there when you say pretty sharply. It probably wouldn't have gone into this length, even at the stage where I posted twice here. It might've just been a quick response, or some flame or something that got me to shut up, I don't know tbh, because I'm not in that situation.

All this actually _means_ is that you are, perfectly naturally, assuming that there is a naturally correct level of uptightness, and that you happen to operate at it.

Nope, I rarely operate at any type of correct level of anything, but I still think that I can have the ability to notice an imbalance in the way things happen here, but if you guys are happy with the way the place is and most of the members are, then that makes me wrong, so it doesn't matter at all.

Now, that is perfectly natuural - it's normal to assume that your reaction to stimuli is correct, and that anyone who reacts differently is just being difficult. See, for example, XK's trouble getting her father to understand the implications of the things he forwards - memes, if you like - here. Or Gourami's trouble getting somebody to confront the consequences of their actions when they posted offensive jokes about Chicano/a people on their noticeboard, here.

Thanks, will have a look at those links, and you might be right to an extent with me thinking other people are being difficult, and that my reaction is a decent bit less correct than I usually think it is.

However. A little reflection might help one to consider that it would be a remarkable coincidence if _everyone else_ was wrong all the time if they did not react like you, and you were by the same token right, also all the time.

Well I don't think to those extremes, but I sometimes think that people who have had issues have just ended up leaving in the past, or have got tired of trying to debate the issues they've had.

People here have told you that a) your post was threadrot (which I think is incontestable), but it is pretty clear that the response to the threadrot aspect was aggravated and exacerbated by, as TTS has posted while I draft this, some abreaction to the apparent dismissal or mockery of questions of the treatment of race, and that dismissal involving a funny animated GIF of a black child - and the idea that you had this funny black child and were looking for an excuse to stick it into a thread is not entirely helpful as an alternative. This is quite important to understanding the response you got, I think - it is not "random gif in the middle of a thread", but "random gif exhibiting questionable use of issues of race in thread discussing, among other things, issues of race". That's important, here, and I think it's something that you haven't really got a handle on.

Yeah, well I'll make sure to double check anything involving race issues even if I'm joking around with gifs then.

Cheers again for the help.
 
 
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11:17 / 04.06.07
Well at this rate I shall soon be back on the special pills, so maybe you'll get your wish.

I hope that doesn't mean prozac, after trying that stuff twice and thinking it sucked. I just ended up getting wasted on them with alcohol both times instead, in fear of lasting the proper course at 1 a day and becoming addicted.

Gotta go for now anyway, so will check back later.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
11:21 / 04.06.07
Yes.

Interrupting something of a heart-to-heart here, but this site isn't "just the Internet", far from it, possibly as far from it as you can get. Barbelith's most frequent posters are *bored and irritated* with the whole "just the Internet" thing and are a good deal more likely to pay attention to what you say than the typical "regulars" societies of other boards.

This level of sensitivity results in "wind-up" posts yielding a lot more success than their originators are typically used to dealing with.

There are many, many ways of enlivening a message board. Winding people up is the most commonly used and least contructive of them. It works, but its a bit like improving the seasoning of a dull stew by adding a bowlful of threshing baby alligators. There's such thing as too lively. And there's such a thing as the wrong kind of liveliness.

Wouldn't you say?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:35 / 04.06.07
Interrupting something of a heart-to-heart here, but this site isn't "just the Internet", far from it, possibly as far from it as you can get.

In fairness, that sounded more convincing pre-lolcats.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
11:38 / 04.06.07
True.

But at least Barbelolcats are actually *funny*.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
11:54 / 04.06.07
...some of them...
 
 
Char Aina
15:57 / 04.06.07
"But at least Barbelolcats are actually *funny*."

No they aren't. The LOLcats are about as funny as they ever were, which is 'not funny at all'.

In fact, they're quite possibly less funny than that. The late uptake of the joke by Barbelith members suggests to me a sense of humour reminiscent of that displayed by a 'wacky' middle aged parent making car-crash-terrible Pokémon jokes, apparently for the benefit of their children.

I suspect the Barbelith versions are not generally considered the cream of the 'kitteh' crop, and that's surely saying something awfully mean.

Of course, your opinion may well differ, as might many of the opinions held by the other members of Barbelith.
Clearly some do, or else we would not be witnessing the spectacle of the LOLcat here.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:05 / 04.06.07
Hello, there! Good to see you back. I was a bit worried.

I generally browse Barbelith without images, which is sort of lolcat insulation. Like any Internet craze (remember spangles? Remember all your base?), it will die down soon, I imagine. Once we stopped thinking we could use them to resolve arguments, I think things settled down a lot.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
16:15 / 04.06.07
A few Lolcats were funny, but then anything that reproduces in huge quantities is bound to throw up a few mutants here and there.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:27 / 04.06.07
Rumour has it that Chuck Norris once lost a fight to a lolcat. The reality is that this is just a story Chuck tells to lure more lolcats to him.



...sorry.
 
 
Char Aina
16:38 / 04.06.07
Hello, there! Good to see you back. I was a bit worried.

Cheers. While it's nice that you do, please do try not to worry. I'm good, and relatively trouble free. my lack of Barbelithing has been very informative, and at least as helpful to me as the time I have spent on Barbelith.
I only wish I could communicate the lessons I feel I am learning to others in a way that would be intelligible and of use to them.


But yeah, I agree. The internet will see more not-quite-funny nonsense, and it has surely seen it all before. I dislike the cats, but they don't bother me all that much.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
20:12 / 04.06.07
In fact, they're quite possibly less funny than that. The late uptake of the joke by Barbelith members suggests to me a sense of humour reminiscent of that displayed by a 'wacky' middle aged parent making car-crash-terrible Pokémon jokes, apparently for the benefit of their children.

It's appropriate that you mentioned that because I:

1. am now of above average age and
2. had no idea that lolcats even existed before they turned up on Barbelith. Hows that for insulation?

This sort of thing happens to me quite a lot. There's a thread somewhere here in which I explained my total ignorance of the existence of Paris Hilton before her South Park episode. I thought she was just a funny South Park character.
 
 
grant
01:39 / 05.06.07
a sense of humour reminiscent of that displayed by a 'wacky' middle aged parent

Me! Me! Me!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:53 / 05.06.07
I can not believe I'm being required to drag out the "the world is not limited to the straight male gaze" chestnut and would love it if somebody could design a keyboard with a key that automatically types out the response for ease of use.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:30 / 05.06.07
i need to blow my nose, but barbelith isn't very good tissue. it doesn't really transform into anything, it just kinda is. i guess it's not that annoying. i could just go and blow my nose in a napkin or something i guess. sorry barbelith, still love ya.
 
  

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