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7 Soldiers: Guardian

 
  

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FinderWolf
16:24 / 25.09.05
>> What's next on your slate, [Cameron]?

Can you tell us, by the way? Or give us a delectable hint?
 
 
CameronStewart
17:32 / 25.09.05
I'm done with superheroes for now. I have two things up next, which I will be working on concurrently but won't be on the shelf until maybe a year from now. One is a creator-owned Vertigo book (the keen eyed may be able to piece together hints from past posts - I'm being evasive because my editor has asked that we not talk about it in detail until an official announcement is made), and the other is The Apocalipstix, the all-girl post-nuke rock band that Ray Fawkes and I created (a couple of shorts of which have already seen print), which will be coming from Oni Press.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:35 / 26.09.05
Thanks Cam for the update.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:41 / 26.09.05
Where can we find the already-published Apocalipstix shorts?
 
 
CameronStewart
18:32 / 26.09.05
One is in the Rumble Royale anthology that my studio published a couple of years ago (let me know via PM if you want a copy and we can probably arrange something) and the other was in the Comic Festival anthology that was given away at this year's Free Comic Book Day.



 
 
captain piss
19:56 / 27.09.05
Just wanted to address the idea that TTT is in any way separate from the bald guy(s) the SUM use as an avatar.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:12 / 28.09.05
tHAT WAS ME btw. lOG IN BALLS.
 
 
Automatic
09:11 / 11.11.05
In Guardian #3, do the numbers the robots are saying refer to comicbook barcodes? Every comic has, on the barcode '00X11', is there any way of matching up certain comics to what the robots are saying, and does this mean anything?
 
 
The Falcon
12:32 / 11.11.05
I thought the only symbolically purposed was the first one in the book.
 
 
Aertho
14:04 / 11.11.05
00911?
 
 
The Falcon
14:58 / 11.11.05
Aye, well 911 and then it all kicks off on the mini world. You could make a case the rest is a countdown?
 
 
Aertho
15:51 / 11.11.05
I remember seeing/thinking that as well. Towers fall, then the numbers run down... but I don't think it's that clean. I think the middle number jumps around.

Back to important stuff. Mister Six says this:

But essentially what I dislike about 7S is Grant's wave of ideas not connecting. I mean, he's got these four issues to fill and for me as a reader I didn't see a thread from beginning to end. There were very strong beginnings followed by fits and starts that culminated in a cliffhanger ending a year later (This is a limited review as I was turned off by Zattana, Klarion and Shining Knight by issue 3, only bought the entire Guardian mini). I was also peeved that the idea you could read just one mini and be satisfied was bullshit... for me, anyway. Zattana borrowed ideas and ploththreads from Shining Knight and the issues just seemed to focus on Grant's idea of the day rather than following the character's growth which should have been easy given the strong beginnings each mini had.

I'll take a stab at it and say that this is what keeps me in books like JSA, the character growth combined with the FUCK YEAH action sequences Benjamin is always on about. It surely is geeky and all, but I loved seeing stories such as the one where Mr Terrific talks about his dead wife and how he is 100% there's no afterlife. Then they fight Zombies. The story ended with this sequence of Mr Terrific seeing his wife in heaven but the stubborn bastard is still not 100% ready to admit comfort in a higher plan of existence. As you may imagine, I can relate to that kinda stubborness. He's a fully fleshed out character who grows and changes and has evolved but thankfully not had a miniseries or costume change.


Well, I believe I'm privy to the science behind it all, but I see 7S as a grand experiment in character growth. That's the thread in each mini. The growth of the main character. It's interesting to me that Six mentions an arc featuring stubbornly atheist Mr. Terrific, who at the end of an entirely spiritual affair, remains exactly where he began: stubbornly atheist.

Jake Jordan grows in fits and starts throughout the Guardian mini. I don't use the words "his mini", because the story presented examines much more than the main character. Jake is entirely emotionally supported by Carla in the beginning, and gains a foothold in a new self-image by the end of issue 2. Jake and Carla are at odds with the risks of Jake's new role in issue 3, and solidifies his own emotional integrity and affirms his role in the scheme of things at the climax of issue 4. That's just what's going on inside Jake.

Allegorically, the Pirate tribes of the subway serve as representative of Jake's doldrum existence. Fallen out of the economic system and jobless, Pirates cling to each other as Jake clings to Carla. The Pirates compete to find a treasure to newfound power, while Jake has already competed and won his newfound power -the Guardian job.

Can't go on. At work with deadlines.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:12 / 11.11.05
yeah, and the minis are more or less each character's origin/retelling, merely a series of prequels to 7S# 1, if you will.

but of course it's more.
 
 
Mario
20:13 / 13.11.05
Just revealed:

Lil' Hollywood shows up in Bulleteer #3.
 
 
Aertho
20:22 / 13.11.05
What What What?

Details, Mario!
 
 
Mario
21:14 / 13.11.05
From the solicit (and the Bulleteer thread):

SEVEN SOLDIERS: BULLETEER #3
Working as a bodyguard at a super-hero convention, Alix Harrower — the Bulleteer — finds herself enmeshed in the bizarre relationship between Li'l Hollywood, a faded super-impressionist, and her sidekick. As one tragedy unfolds, a second threatens when Alix finds herself in the sights of the mysterious, undead super-archer — Spyder — assassin for hire!
 
 
CameronStewart
16:01 / 13.12.05
I've been watching the fourth season of 24, and I can't get over how much this guy is perfect for Jake Jordan:

 
 
Aertho
16:09 / 13.12.05
Casting threads! My favorite!

Oliver Platt + CGI for Baby Brans?
 
 
Aertho
16:09 / 13.12.05
Sarcasm aside, good call Cam.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:28 / 13.12.05
He looks like he's downwind of a right stinker...
 
 
This Sunday
21:03 / 15.12.05
I posted this over in the Bulleteer thread, to no response, so I thought I'd hit up this one. This is where it happened, after all.
Anyhow: Newsmonkey Battalion Two, aka the Manhattan Newsboy Legion, Slaughter Swamp, child terror activity, and the line "even machines love her." Is this, in fact, the generation, the impetus, of all the Time Tailor/Sheedha stuff? Did anyone else even read it this way? I mean, even if you discarded the theory (and, why, might you have?) and have moved on to bigger, wilder possibilities. Did we, in fact, witness the secret origin of the decimation of all things, the complicated fairytale horror of the iron motherqueen of doom and despair and her rape-happy psychodaddy suitor with the gleam in his eye?
 
 
Aertho
21:19 / 15.12.05
Whoah. Slow down buddy. Okay: I toook the "even machines love her" line as the suggestion that Baby Brains simply had a crush on poor Chop Suzi. The sadness regarding his affections is compounded by the fact that it would never be reciprocated. Not only is he physically stunted, but he displays a very immature emotional reactivity in subsequent pages. She'd never fall in love with him.

Now, are you suggesting that the Sheeda are the product of Time Tailoring unto Chop Suzi and Captain 7's unborn child? That the miscarriage resulted in the subdimention of Summer's End?

Keep going.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:57 / 15.12.05
Or are you saying the the timetailored rape child of Chop Suzy and what's-his-face is actually the (first?) Sheeda Queen who then gave birth to the Sheeda in a sort of Lilith sort of way?

Glorina as encountered now is this child all grown-up and X years old returning from the future?

Or a decendant?
 
 
This Sunday
22:04 / 15.12.05
That's about it. Impetus, if not in a purely physical way, than a magick synchronicity fashion. But, yeah, the physical too. From the very (vicious but still) childlike nature of the threat, to the mirroring of events/emotions/ideas, it seems to fit. Mainly that "Even machines love her" line, hitting me quite hard, plus a feeling, at one point, of: The Tailor was never there; the Tailor was always there. It's an emotional interpretation, rather than a rational, actuation/event-based, but... I'm just interested if it occured to or works for, other folks.
Spider-machines, spider sex, poor little puritan girls and lust objects angsting throughout time. Or something.
 
 
Mario
22:24 / 15.12.05
"Summer's End". That's an odd name, don't you think? It's a name a child might use...the end of summer is when you have to go back to dreaery old school.
 
 
LDones
23:51 / 15.12.05
Strictly speaking about the four seasons, summer is the end of growth, flourishing, the last period before autumn when everything begins to die and winter, where death finally comes and the world freezes over.
 
 
Ganesh
23:56 / 15.12.05
Summer's end is when the harvest takes place.
 
 
Mario
00:28 / 16.12.05
Or the harrowing?
 
 
The Falcon
15:52 / 16.12.05
Same thing.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:25 / 03.01.06
A friend alerted me to the new Manhattan Guardian HeroClix figure:



The first toy based on one of my drawings! Pretty cool.
 
 
Good Stuff
11:05 / 03.01.06
Has anyone checked the definition of "harrow"?

Apart from the [1]"harrowing (agonising/distressing) experience" sense, the agricultural sense is not actually that of 'harvest', but rather [2]"to break up and smooth the soil". Almost preparing the soil for planting?

There is the [3]"to plunder/raid" sense also.

Now GM is certainly connoting the 1st and 3rd sense, but do we think there is any chance he is ignoring/ unaware of the 2nd sense? Does this suggest (via his recurring universe-as-organism/megametamorphosis theme) that the sheeda are fulfilling a 'good' purpose?
 
 
Ganesh
11:17 / 03.01.06
Doesn't the Sheeda Queen herself allude at least once to the cyclical nature of the harrowing, the fact that they allow human civilisations to flourish to a particular level before cutting them down? That's what makes me think of harvest.
 
 
Mario
13:00 / 03.01.06
Sorta like Apocalypse and his "cullings" during AoA. Perhaps they are trying to CREATE their future, by weeding out the weak.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:26 / 03.01.06
Also, the Guardian was featured in a piece of art by Ed Benes for his upcoming JLA run with writer Brad Meltzer...when I say 'featured,' I mean the Guardian is one of about 45 DC heroes who are standing up, waiting to be called for JLA membership in the newest incarnation of the League (post-IC). But it was interesting to me because he is the only [new, i.e. not Zatanna] Seven Soldiers character shown - there may have been one other SS character, now that I thikn of it, but I can't remember who it might be. So they may very well be bringing SS characters more into the DCU, in addition to some of them appearing in 52*.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:34 / 03.01.06
Well apparently DC dictates which Heroclix toys are made, so if they asked for a Guardian figure, it crtainly suggests they have plans for the character...
 
  

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