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7 Soldiers: Guardian

 
  

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FinderWolf
20:42 / 01.08.05
I think your understanding of it is what they meant, Chad.
 
 
Never or Now!
21:43 / 01.08.05
Yep - with Metropolis and Gotham as the two ugly stepsisters.
 
 
The Falcon
23:17 / 01.08.05
Yeah, while that article isn't particularly well-written, I don't think of the Manhattan Guardian noozpaper as being an NYT (except in the 'real' stories, MiB kinda way.) NYT is meant to be kinda highbrow innit?

Anyway, there's like three people on their comics forum and they're all talking about Dundee and Montrose (and Harry Harrison,) which was an odd surprise for me (being as I hail from there, and it is naewy near New York.) I almost joined in.

I figure all those Kirbyesque (what Benny B called the Morrisonian narrator, only it ain't really) narration bits are actually excerpts from the paper; be it Jake's factual account revised by Ed or whatever - it's more a National Enquirer/ Sunday Sport kinda vibe.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:58 / 19.08.05
Just in the course of another full stop reread, and I flipped through this thread to see if I'm the only one who noticed this, but remember the argument about who won, No or All-Beard? Check out the Dead Man's Junction page. The RAT perched on the track switcher beat them both! Revenge for his murdered chums from page one!

Fess up, Cam. Whose idea was that? Brilliant either way.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:43 / 19.08.05
Well spotted Benjamin.

That was Grant's idea.
 
 
iamus
00:10 / 23.08.05
There seem to be two main concepts in the structure of Guardian. The relationship between Jake and Carla and the tabloid setup of Jake's adventures. The story comes from how these two feed into each other.

Jake's missions are weird and wonderful. A series of seemingly-disconnected, fantastical snapshots. But..... these stories, at the root, are all about the same thing. Jake and Carla. All of The Guardian's adventures to this point are metaphors for aspects of that relationship. It is the defining characteristic of this very human Soldier, and I don't think it'll be any different when he comes up against Sheeda.


When the first issue starts Jake is in a state of atrophy. He has no role, nothing to live up to and it's destroying his marriage because it's causing him to fight with Carla all the time. He has a lot of potential, but won't push himself because he is mired in that comfortable dark inaction of depression. It's only when he's thrown in out of his depth and forced to act that he displays what he is capable of. He adopts the mantle of The Guardian as an ideal of everything that he currently isn't and needs to become.

The second issue is how this perception relates to his relationship with Carla. Jake needs to be the strong protector in his relationship and Carla will have been supporting him during his depression. Being The Guardian lets him assume this role. It brings monetary security and the opportunity to actually become the Protecting Male archetype by literally rescuing the woman he loves from ruthless pirates.

The third issue is about breakdown of that idea where Jake realises that it's not The Guardian that will save his marriage, but himself. Without Carla, he withdraws and the world falls apart around his ears, once again illustrated in the mission he's on. Without Jake Jordan at the heart, The Guardian is just a one-dimensional hollow shell. And Jake Jordan is Carla Jordan.

I think the third issue, more than the first two, is about the individual concept of the book. It concerns a mission that's unrelated to the first two books in order give another angle on how the book will work post 7S. Reading a run of Guardian should be like skimming the headlines of the eponymous newspaper, jumping from one exciting and improbable situation to another. It keeps jumping headlong into new ever-more fantastical adventures, but the narrative of Jake and Carla places them all directly into context with the grander arc.

"We're telling stories about human dignity, Jake"
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:15 / 23.08.05
All I know is they better be including your posts in the Absolute Seven Soldiers hardcover. Seriously great stuff.
 
 
Aertho
03:29 / 01.09.05
If Gloriana = Jorge Control, and Melmoth = Hanna Control, then issue three's plot might have something to do with the Sheeda invasion. Allegorically, of course.
 
 
LDones
10:51 / 04.09.05
This is out this week, FYI, according to current DC Solicits. 2 weeks in a row of 7S #4's.

Also the latest solicit is a bit more verbose than the ones I've seen before (I notice that the old Newsboy army members are named), though bear in mind the solicits we've seen before have also been blatantly wrong (Zatanna on reality TV in Vegas? No sir.)

SEVEN SOLDIERS: GUARDIAN #4 (OF 4)
Written by Grant Morrison; Art and cover by Cameron Stewart

More must-see mysteries of the SEVEN SOLDIERS saga unfold as the GUARDIAN miniseries finale builds toward the epic conclusion in SEVEN SOLDIERS #1!

Is a broken, embittered Jake Jordan ready for "Sex Secrets of the Newsboy Army"? Who were Captain 7, Kid Scarface, Baby Brains, Ali-Ka-Zoom, Chop Suzi, Li'l Hollywood and Millions the Mystery Mutt? What was the vow they made as children outside the United Nations building? What did they do that was so wrong —and why will the entire world suffer in an alien hell if the Guardian makes the wrong decision this time?

DC Universe | 32pg. | Color | $2.99 US

On Sale September 7, 2005
 
 
Aertho
20:58 / 04.09.05
Prediction:

Teeth clenched, Jake tells Carla to fuck off and die.
 
 
Aertho
13:54 / 05.09.05
Left to right on the Guardian 4 cover:

Ali-Ka-Zoom = Ali Ka-Zoom (d)
Li'l Hollywood
Captain 7
Kid Scarface = Don Vincenzo (d)
Chop Suzi holding...
...Baby Brains = Ed Stargard

I'm led to believe that Mo Colley was either Captain 7, or if ze's pre-cabinet Melmoth, the Newsboy Army 7's arch-enemy.

Also: Ed says he built the Golems Four when he was ten. Tempter says he met Don Vincenzo/Kid Scarface at age eleven. Brutus, the earth golem, is Ed's bodyguard. Later, we learn that Don Vincenzo has a big white Asian air golem of the East as his bodyguard. If there was any doubt that the two golems weren't connected, I'd toss it. I'd guess Baby Brains pretty much divvied his Golems up between his Newsboy buddies, and that Fire and Water belong to the girls: Chop Suzi and Lil Hollywood.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:23 / 06.09.05
>> Chop Suzi

Yikes.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
23:31 / 06.09.05
Is there a big version of the Guardian #4 cover? I have only seen the little thumbnail sized one in the last pages of the last few Seven Soldiers issues.

Also:

Is a broken, embittered Jake Jordan ready for "Sex Secrets of the Newsboy Army"? Who were Captain 7, Kid Scarface, Baby Brains, Ali-Ka-Zoom, Chop Suzi, Li'l Hollywood and Millions the Mystery Mutt?

I really, really, really would not like to discover whatever sex secrets Baby Brains and Millions the Mystery Mutt had. Honest.
 
 
Aertho
23:44 / 06.09.05
It's Steven King's It all over again.
 
 
Triplets
23:50 / 06.09.05
ph
 
 
Aertho
23:52 / 06.09.05
heh
 
 
Billuccho!
18:19 / 07.09.05
The Pulse appears to be doing Morrison interviews on each 7S character. And here is the Guardian one.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:32 / 07.09.05
and three pages from Guardian #4 to boot! Newsboy Army mission! Giant top hats! Oh My!
 
 
FinderWolf
20:07 / 07.09.05
From that interview:

>> "I like the fact that we've created a 'black' superhero comic that's not about race," he continued.

Hear hear. I agree, it's always cool to see a Character Who Happens To Be Black as opposed to A Character Who Is All About His Blackness.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:47 / 07.09.05
Yeah. I imagine Marvel desperately wanted to call Luke Cage "Black Power Man" before common sense won out.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:53 / 07.09.05
Sigh. It really would be nice if the Pulse learned how to properly post images. This is the second time (the first being my first Seaguy interview with them) that they have posted CMYK jpegs instead of RGB (for the uninitiated, CMYK is the colour format for print, and RGB is the format for web display) and the colours appear all wonky.

Those aren't the proper colours.
 
 
LDones
23:08 / 07.09.05
Newsarama does it all the time, too. Garish and Dayglo By Accident! Like the Bulleteer!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:31 / 08.09.05
#4! The Sex Secrets of the Newsboy Army! Started off as classy, crazy Silver Age fun - and ended in death, bitterness, and recrimination. We learn who the bad little boy was, but there were a couple questions lingering in my head...

spoilers.





































...namely, how Ali's cabinet suddenly showed up in the swamp. That was the only thing glaring in my head. I liked that for a moment, each kid was filtered through a potential adulthood of despair, although I thought the "turning on each other" moment was a bit too fast - would have liked it drawn out for another page, or even just a few more panels? I expect we'll at least see L'il Hollywood in one of the other Soldiers' books, and I thought the the end was pretty solid - it drives me on, to want to read WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. I liked the spontaneous almost shift to the Silver Age-esque "Manhattan Guardian Family" (Baby Brain, Big Brother Brawn, and Guardian Girl). And the secret of Carla's father!

Also: The origin of the proto-Promethea spine-rider in formaldehyde from Zatanna, and of course it raises the question - who else has been driving Our Heroes onward to become the Soldiers? I like the logic behind why the conceit of the series is that none of our Soldiers will meet.

All that and a Wildcat mention!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:13 / 08.09.05
Excellent, top stuff.
Again (with my usual proviso that I have a "tin eye", so to speak, so don't feel particularly qualified to talk about artwork) it looks gorgeous- particularly so this month with the different (dare I say Bond-ish?) style for the NA flashbacks... fantastic work, Cameron.

Story-wise- yeah, the turning on each other did seem a little sudden, but I guess it had to be for the "shock" of the "future selves" panels to actually work- I don't really think a couple of pages of recriminations would really have added much beyond what we were all imagining was being shouted in the picture itself.

It hadn't occurred to me that the Soldier who dies wouldn't necessarily do it in his or her own series... nice way to keep us wondering, without making anything anti-climactic.

Must go back and read them end-to-end before I make any other comment, but yes, top-fucking-notch. And the last two issues have been pretty fucking spectacular, considering I was expecting my interest to wane with the passing of the pirates...
 
 
X-Himy
11:17 / 08.09.05
Wow. That was just heartbreaking at the end. The panel page where each of the Newboys was shown with their respective captions, and the next panel, Cap was slightly, subtlely older. Shivers.

So who were the Newsboy Army characters (forgive me my ignorance)? Is Grant recreating older characters, or making new ones out of whole cloth? And what was the name of the one in the football helmet.

And Larry was just one of the Army?

But man, the line about being able to look Ed in the eye, I feel like that captured the character right there.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:38 / 08.09.05
Absolutely fucking class. My heart was in my mouth - and the bit where the Time Tailor shows them their special new suits was horrifying. The end panel was as righteous as it should have been. I love Jake Jordan. I wish he was my Uncle.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
13:17 / 08.09.05
The football player was "Captain 7."

Bits that got to me: the "beautiful but ugly" panel with Hollywood's wide-eyed shocked, covered in Mo Colley's blood - the Spine-rider in her hands. The Terrible Time Tailor's speech, explaining the significance of their war on the number 7 - is he Melmouth? Has he gone on to casually use groups of potential Soldiers as slavery on Mars after destroying a bunch of "wise-ass kids?" Was this before he disappeared on the Gloriana?

Interesting that they find the Tailor in Cyrus Gold's place, if I'm not mistaken. It really reminded me of Lost Highway, when Balthazar Getty meets the Man in Black in the desert house with nothing more than a couch inside - and ends up back in his Bill Pullman suit. A sight of a great defeat for the Seven Unknown Men becomes their base of operations for converting the Spyder (and naturally dooming that particular venture to failure). The Tailor even looks like the Seven Unknown Men. Their shadow? A renegade, eighth Unknown Man?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:45 / 08.09.05
So unsettling. By which I mean, the best Seven Soldiers ish to date. As much as I've enjoyed the series thus far, it was more on a high adventure, look at this outrageous threat their facing, level. This story really hammered home the personal nature of the threat, kind of like in Die Hard when that SWAT guy pricks his finger on a thorn before being riddled with bullets?

This intimate and terrifying night; rain outside, certain death in the lobby; almost instantly reverberates through the entire series and adds such a new and unsettling dimension to the Gulch, Justine's fight with Galahad, the Seance and pretty much every minute of Klarion. If I had to pin point a reason, I'd honestly give it Cameron's depiction of everything. As much as he has an incredible style, I'd say that so far he's the SS artist with the most sense of verite. More than any other book, I felt the emotion and creeping dread running through these characters and it can't help but inflect itself on the more visually stylistic books where, previously, we sort of had to fill in a lot of the emotional subtlety in our heads.

Legitimately creeped out now, which I really wasn't expecting from this project.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:22 / 08.09.05
Oh man.

I just read this again and I'm going to completely embarass myself and tell you that I didn't even get The Grown-Up Suit, Final Fate Of The Newsboy Army page when I first read it. I was like "What were the Sex Secrets? Why did they kill Cap 7?" etcetera, but Wouldja Believe, it's all right there on one page. And, God damn it, it is awful. I was unsettled before, I didn't even know what there really was to be unsettled about.

Just, wow. That is so incredibly fucked up.
 
 
Quantum
15:31 / 08.09.05
Papers, I'm fairly sure the baseball bat incident's in the kid's future...... They're not wearing the same clothes for a start.

- this is wedding heat, btw
 
 
Triplets
15:41 / 08.09.05
Read it on the train home.

"I make special clothes you see". Fucking horrible.

And, God damn it, it is awful. I was unsettled before, I didn't even know what there really was to be unsettled about.

Because the TTT looks like one of the Seven Unknown Morrison's and all that implies. Note the captions throughout the series in grand 70s Marvel style. Then look how the TTT attacks the Newsboys, through those same captions, through the structure and tools of the book itself.

"No, she wanted me". Gleeushushush.
 
 
Automatic
16:57 / 08.09.05
Is Li'l Hollywood Gimmix? They look awfully similar.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:07 / 08.09.05
Someone posited the same idea in Millarworld. "Faded Alcoholic" sounds about right. I'll have to go dredging for clues when I get home.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:24 / 08.09.05
I think the age issue precludes Jackie from having anything to do w/ millions.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:37 / 08.09.05
Also, Quantum, the baseball bat incident takes place in their future but also simultaneously in their present, which is why the sex act kills Suzy and why Captain 7 is branded as simultaneously a Child Molester and a Murderer. They're "trying on" TTT's clothes. Oh, and to top it off, TTT probably kills Millions anyway, as he and Suzy died at the same age. (I just realized what a nice touch it was to have everyone the same age, but in dog years, that's way too old.)

Like I said. Unsettling.
 
  

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