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7 Soldiers: Guardian

 
  

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Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:38 / 05.07.05
Art imitates The Manhattan Guardian.
 
 
CameronStewart
19:26 / 05.07.05
>>>(Looks more like All-Beard won.)

Check out the bodies in Klarion 2.<<<

Sorry to burst your bubble here, but that's actually just a little flub that slipped through - I sent Frazer a bunch of pages of pirate artwork for reference (just like he sent me his design for the Horigal) but at the time he drew that Klarion page with the bodies strewn about, I don't think he realized what the closing pages of Guardian 2 were. No-Beard's body technically shouldn't be there.

Remember when Marvel used to offer No-Prizes for clever reader explanations for continuity flubs? My explanation is that at the time Klarion and Badde walk through the train wreck site, No-Beard is still unconscious from the crash. Shortly after they pass he gets up and goes to fight All-Beard...It's kind of clumsy but that's what I'm sticking with.
 
 
Aertho
19:50 / 05.07.05
No-Beard's body technically shouldn't be there.

Yeah, that's what I assumed to. The way Guardian 2 ended, I had assumed ambiguity was the intent, and that Frazer messed it up. We still love you Cam.

And the No-Prize doesn't work. If No-Beard was merely unconscious, then All-Beard would also be unconscious, and both would need to wade through radioactive waste to the altar with the die. — which is what Klarion did. If Badde and Klarion wandered through before All and No woke up to battle, then there must have been two die. That makes a total of 3 die in 7S now. Misty's original, Klarion's, and the Subway Pirates'.

Anyone else?

No-Prize still spinning.
 
 
Aertho
19:53 / 05.07.05
Why not just say it's another pirate dressed like No-Beard? Like a Padme decoy thing? I'm going with that.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
00:33 / 14.07.05
While the art was fantastic (with a very Derek Robertson vibe) ish #3 strangely did nothing for me... I'll have to give it another re-read. This isn't really surprising since I find Guardian to be the least engaging of the books so far (But I'm a Shining Knight/Zatanna fan). Still, the promised revalations next month have me chomping at the bit for the next ish.
 
 
iamus
01:21 / 14.07.05
It's the corpse of a freshly defeated pirate captain or it's the prone body of a battle-fatigued one.

Pass the No-Prize.
 
 
Aertho
11:30 / 14.07.05
Fuck kevin, I've no idea what you're talking about.

Holy shit Cameron. That was one hell of an isssue. The art was spectacularly crisp, as usual; the pacing was brilliant. You could tell Jake's rage early -which I initially assumed was his own mourning... EASILY one of my favorite comics ever. Powerful and emotional. Excellent use of art and stroytelling to get us on Jake's side - showing the amped action of The Manhattan Guardian's daily crime-fightin', and then slapping Jake (and us) in the face when Carla says we're employees of a sleazy tabloid - or a stupid superhero. My favorite bit - the jumpcut between Jake standing in the rain outside the restaurant telling Carla he saved her life, turn the page, and BAM! firestom in Century Hollow, surrounded by carnage and shrapnel and filled with rage and disappointment. AND its the page ya'll put the title and credits on. One solid story. AAAAAA! Amazing. Big ups. Again, EASILY one of my favorite comics ever. Up there with the Quesada/David psychiatry issue of X-Factor, and NXM's Riot part 3.
 
 
Aertho
15:27 / 14.07.05
Oh yeah. And we should paying attention to TV and radio in 7S/DCU... Mention of a "Hurricane Gloria" means the Sheeda are affecting weather patterns.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:52 / 14.07.05
Felt more in line with things with this issue than the previous two. This may in part be because we're finally GETTING SOMEWHERE with the Guardian in relation to the rest of the Soldiers; Ed's going to reveal some backstory next issue, with regard to the old Newsboy Army Murder Case previously referenced.

Liked the "It's a Small World After All" killer robots more than I liked the subway pirates.

"...communist *wheeze* hunter killer refridgerators..." Best. Line.

Solid emotional depth; the series just took off for me and it's sad to know there's only one issue left! The page where Jake accuses Carla of preferring him "broken down and beaten like a dog" is wonderful, tragic, and Cam does a solid job of Carla's final facial expression, especially considering it was more of a long shot. I liked the idea that Jake's redemption has costs and that Larry's death has brought to the surface Carla's misgivings about the whole thing.

I wonder if they'll work it out? She's grieving and angry and combining that with her old fears about Jake. Makes me sad that we don't get more space to explore the relationship.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:05 / 15.07.05
Great. I was a little apprehensive about this one, cos when you've already had subway pirates, where do you go from there? But George has pulled it out of the bag again. And as ever, Cameron, the art is lovely (with my usual proviso that I know little about artwork, so can't be any more specific other than that I really like it- it's clean and bright without being oversimplified, cartoony but still conveying emotion). The "only one left" thing is making me sad, though.

I was going to say that Guardian's my favourite of the bunch so far, but it occurs to me that I've said the same thing about every new issue of each series, so I won't, until I've had a chance to read all of them from start to finish and make an informed decision. But I will say that it's very, very good indeed.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
09:04 / 15.07.05
"...communist *wheeze* hunter killer refridgerators..." Best. Line.

I vote for "Thumbs. Down." It was like a Mr. Show sketch or something.
 
 
Axolotl
09:21 / 15.07.05
I really enjoyed this. The contrast between the success he made of his mission compared with the problems in his personal life was nice.
Cameron - the art was excellent. I've really liked everything of yours that I've seen and this was no different. As Stoatie said it has a "cartoony" element but that isn't overdone. The emotion on the faces was perfect.
I have to say that this is definitely my favourite of all the mini-series so far, due in no small part to the art, but also to me the story seems more coherent and less confusing, which is always vital in a mini-series.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
16:53 / 17.07.05
This was a great issue. I loved the Newsboy Army Basejumping Crew, especially the kid with the flamethrower. Wonderfully ludicrous.

I was angry at Carla for the way she treated Jake, even knowing that she had lost her father and was rightfully angry. "But I had to save yours. Carla." was a heartrending panel. I hope she comes around. Jake left Larry for the paramedics and the newsboys, after Larry told him to save her life. Honestly, what did she expect him to do? the guy isn't a doctor, he's a superhero, for crying out loud! He's much better louduited to jumping onto a subway car full of pirates than giving medical assistance. He's much better suited to jumping onto a subway car full of pirates than giving medical assistance. I found myself 100% on Jake's side.

Can't wait for issue 4. I'm pissed that it's the last one. It seems like there's so much more to tell.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
19:10 / 17.07.05
I'm split on this issue.

Cam's art is fluid, fun and BIG, the kinda big we don't get much in modern comics anymore. I really dig it. It bringa an air of fun to comics that is very welcome. The multi-national terrorist robots, lots of boot shots (for some reason I love it when you get to see the underside of a hero's boot... less said on that I guess), and heavy shadow lines.

Amazing.

The writing was less than stellar. The reason being that everyone seemed to speak in a similar 'voice.' This was really distracting for me. The plot made my eyes roll much like the previous issues where the Guardian took a back seat to Grant's 'whacked out idea of the moment,' but at least this issue gave us some strong character development. There's nothing esp. wrong with the plot, but the heavy handed manner in which Grant delivers the plot was just far from interesting. It's a fun idea, but the execution was just dumb. Ah well. We got lots of jumping and smashing of robots, which is the strong suit of the entire Seven Soldiers series... effective visuals.

So thank you thank you Cameron for a great action comic. Grant is very lucky to have such a strong action artist on his hands.
 
 
Ganesh
22:42 / 17.07.05
It reminded me of the issue of The Filth set aboard the enormous nation-state cruise liner: a slightly generic, Ballardesque, urban 'things fall apart' dystopia which felt crowbarred into George's project of the moment. I didn't like it much.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:08 / 27.07.05
I really liked this issue - mostly because of the scenes with Carla and the idea of the world's population reduced to a proportionate 100 individuals/robots. 30% white, 70% non-white - here in very white America (well, at least culturally, even if whites are soon to be the minority in terms of population) it was a nice reminder of How The World Really Is. Or maybe that's just liberal guilt talking (ditto the world's wealth being held by 18% or whatever). Dunno. The implied social justice tone of the idea really worked for me. The whole 'the wife/gf had sex with robots which drove the husband mad' thing was a bit muddy, tho.

And the scenes with Carla...just great. You could totally see her perspective, being with Jake was just too painful because it reminded her of losing her father, her anger at Jake for not being able to save them both, Jake's frustration at her not appreciating what he's achieved with his life...many have commented that of the minis, Guardian feels like a 70s Marvel comic, and these scenes really felt like Peter Parker-level angst in high quality Marvel stories.

Beautiful art by Cameron - each issue Cam's style is evolving more and more. Some panels/pages I wasn't able to even identiy as being by Cameron Stewart (if I had seen the image isolated somewhere and not known that Cam drew the book I wouldn't have been able to name who drew it).

Sad to see that this is the final issue...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:39 / 27.07.05
Is the fourth issue not the final one?
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:44 / 27.07.05
Deos anyone else suspect that the wife (Mrs Control) was/is actually one of those robots, and it was He that was having sex with the robots. Something about his parting words "I MADE you!" at the very end.
 
 
Aertho
15:49 / 27.07.05
Yeah, I thought that as well. But her AI was so much more "evolved" than the others', I assumed it was me thinking too much again.

Still, Mrs. Control might be a worthwhile villianess for the future "sentient" DCU.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:41 / 27.07.05
I did think that about the "wife" also --- and also, I meant 'sad to think that next issue is the last one.' sorry bout 'dat.
 
 
iamus
18:43 / 27.07.05
urban 'things fall apart' dystopia which felt crowbarred into George's project of the moment

I disagree. I think the whole conceit of the issue is a sort of a Jake-against-the-world thing. It's not crowbarred, it's illustrating his state of mind in big unsubtle comic book strokes.

I'm kind of like Stoatie in that all the soldiers books so far keep leapfrogging each other in goodliness. Individually I don't think it's the greatest single peice of writing Morrison's ever done (though it's far above lots), but as a part of a part of a whole I'm fucking loving it.

Cam's art makes me gurgle. Big, bold, surehanded... I kind of love everything about it. I don't want to go on about it too much (at risk of brownnosing) but in simplest terms, it inspires me to go and draw better.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:20 / 28.07.05
Hey guys, I'm in Vietnam right now (subject of mid-80s Marvel comic book series The 'Nam) and the internet connections here are stone age so I can't say much, but I just wanted to drop in and say thanks for all the kind praise. It warms my little homesick heart!
 
 
Kirk Ultra
23:11 / 28.07.05
Issue three was absolutely fantastic, especially considering the daunting task of making a story out of such an obvious metaphor without making it cheesy. Thematically, this issue ties in perfectly with Shining Knight #3, and all the Sheeda Queen's talk about civilizations rising and falling, being cleansed, etc. I loved that ultimately it was love and jealousy that sent this world into madness and destruction, instead of just the obvious statistics laid out in the beginning. Very poetic.

The best part of the story for me was how conflicted I felt by the arrival of the Newsboy Army. On the one hand, you can't not love that shot of the Newboys parachuting in to help save the day, especially with the Editor's disclaimer about not baring responsibility for the actions of these children. Pure superhero comic adreneline rush.

On the other hand, with all the violence and flame throwers and geopolitcal themes going on here, i couldn't help being reminded by the Newsboy Army of this HBO special I saw about little kids in Africa being used/transformed into heartless, ultraviolent killers and soldiers by local warlords to use as their own armies.

I can't help thinking the duality of this issue was intentional, a prelude perhaps to the tragic secret origins of the original Newsboy Army.

This issue was fantastic. As far as Seven Soldiers go, i've given up on trying to choose a favorite. The series just keep topping themselves.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
23:14 / 28.07.05
Also, I loved that shot of Jake Jordan (i'm assuming he's related to Hal Jordan just for the fun of it, ha!) parachuting in to the theme park, when we first see its shaped like a map of the world. Very very trippy effect. Cheers
 
 
FinderWolf
16:00 / 29.07.05
>> Jake Jordan (i'm assuming he's related to Hal Jordan just for the fun of it, ha!)

Cool idea
 
 
Aertho
16:35 / 29.07.05
You mean like Robert Duvall and James Earl Jones?
 
 
grime
04:10 / 31.07.05
The New York Times just ran an article all about the reimagined New York City in the Manhattan Gaurdian.

I had no idea so much research went into this, and it's fucking awesome.

that and toronto get's mentioned, so basically everyone wins.

go to nytimes.com to find the article.
 
 
Augury
09:09 / 31.07.05
Can anyone paste the NY article here?
 
 
superdonkey
10:26 / 31.07.05
5 seconds on google news= It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's Architecture!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:37 / 31.07.05
Brilliant. That's some really kick ass press. Now I got to get me some Gaudi books.
 
 
CameronStewart
03:44 / 01.08.05
Interesting - when Ms Starr (I love her name, just like Branda Starr) interviewed me, I was told it would be for the New Yorker magazine, which I've been flipping through every week to no avail. Glad to see it finally turned up!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:39 / 01.08.05
So she told you the wrong magazine it would be in? Weird.

I thought the reimagined NYC was featured a little bit more in the double-page spread of SEVEN SOLIDERS #0. You don't notice it a whole lot in The Manhattan Guardian, it seems...the occasional street scene or skyline, but that's about it, right?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:45 / 01.08.05
Great article, thanks for the link.

>> The title of the book reminded Morrison of the British newspaper, which, in turn, gave him the idea of a tabloid's hiring a superhero. But the publication, he quickly determined, couldn't be based on his side of the Atlantic. "A superhero with a British tabloid would promote bingo with Page 3 girls," he said.

Well, the Daily News and the NY Post have their share of scantily-clid pix of beauties and celebrities...
 
 
grime
19:41 / 01.08.05
oh you know the Manhattan Guardian is the DCU New York Times. that's what makes the article so great.

I can just imagine a big floating head on a screen ordering around Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich.
 
 
Aertho
20:32 / 01.08.05
oh you know the Manhattan Guardian is the DCU New York Times

Carla calls The Manhattan Guardian a tabloid. I doubt the DCU NYTimes analog would be considered that.

What I want to know is: Why is NYC "renamed" The Cinderella City? I read it as the DCU's analog nickname for NYC, the way our world calls it The Big Apple.
 
  

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