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Yes, you have had a spat with yawn before. It was his insult that eventually led to you flouncing away from us for months on end, I believe.
I don't think that's very fair. If I forget about arguments, that's nothing to criticise me for -- and "flouncing away for us for months on end" suggests that (a) I made a big "look at me, I'm leaving" fuss (not true, I think) rather than just not posting for a bit and (b) that I somehow deserted or was rude in not posting for a while, rather than just exercising my and everyone else's right not to contribute to a discussion board.
You overreacted to his posting style back then, and suggested in this very thread that his telling you to ‘shut it’ could be a case of harassment.
I forgot about that. It does seem unfortunate and I can see why someone might think that I was now pursuing some kind of campaign, or just being nobbish about yawn.
As opposed to simple rudeness from a long-term poster who is pretty regularly, er, brusque about everything under the sun and has a thing about bullet-pointing his posts.
Well... broader issue here and perhaps I raised it before too, but does someone being regularly rude make it OK? If brusqueness is someone's MO, are they exempt from being pulled up about it?
I suppose I shouldn't really ask, as it seems I'm making it a personal issue again (I find some of your comments a bit unnecessarily snarky and personal, to be honest) but my interest is more general, and indeed concerned with "policy".
That's why I asked. Because you now you seem to be suggesting that yawn talking in his characteristic posting style about his wanking habits when he was 16 is equivalent to hate speech.
Come on, that's not true either. I didn't say anything of the sort, I hope. I certainly didn't mean to. I do think yawn's comment was "sexist", though that would be more an instinctive response on my part than anything I'd want to argue objectively.
It struck me mostly because of the context. On another board like TMO, where I have often posted, that kind of comment would be read as part of a general Brass Eye-type ethos, where people challenge taboos and deliberately shock, sometimes just to spark a bit of interest on a very quiet forum.
I had become used to the idea (partly from the threads I'd read on Policy) of Barbelith as a sort of "safe place", where a careless comment about gypsies was taken very seriously and challenged as offensive. That's probably why I was surprised to see a comment that reduced a comic book to wank material, and (I felt) women to the technical details of their tits.
I mean, go ahead and criticise him, your objection you've as just posted it would go fine in the Stray Toasters thread itself, I might even shake a pom-pom for you, but you’re *not* asking for the moderators to Do Something About This Filth, are you? Just so we’re clear.
No, I was just raising it, in good faith I thought, for discussion, out of my own interest. I genuinely didn't mean it as a dig at yawn, and it seems to reflect badly on me, unfortunately, that I'd had a falling-out before with this poster.
Unless, when you say I have read a few Policy threads recently about challenging racism and homophobia, and somehow sexism seems to sneak past more easily these days, you have other examples of this sort of thing happening on barbelith recently? I can't tell, are you saying this case is just one example of a board-wide trend that you’ve noticed?
No, I was suggesting that in England in 2005, I think "we" are more likely to challenge racist remarks, say, than sexist ones. I'd be hard pressed to back that up, but that's what I meant. |
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