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Alex's Grandma
18:21 / 03.04.06
I've actually spoken to DM via PM about this already - he seems OK with my apology, and doesn't appear to feel as if he was especially 'othered.'
 
 
Ganesh
18:37 / 03.04.06
Is his face 'othered'?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:11 / 03.04.06
I must admit that my initial reading of Alex's comment was much the same as neukoln's (sorry about that, Alex). Indeed, after reading this debate I went back and re-read the post and was surprised that Alex hadn't said what I thought he'd said; so much so, that I suspected momentarily he may have edited the post to clarify this point - I was obviously wrong, of course, as this bit of editing would have already been raised here, if it were the case. I don't know, maybe I was blinded by the general tone of Alex's post,... neukoln, are you making the same mistake?

However, aside from this misinterpretation (which is wrong), I feel that neukoln does raise a valid point about treating DM unfairly and was right to be annoyed at Alex's post; for which, of course, Alex has since adequately apologised. After all, (IMHO) DM seems like a likeable fellow and seems (despite the post which inflamed Alex) to be sincerely trying to adjust to our (erm?) Barbeculture. For some of us, it takes longer to get the feel of the place (myself included).

Therefore, may I suggest that we ALL reassess our stance on this discussion, and in future try exercise a bit more patience and common courtesy when we criticise each other's posts? If education is not a duty in our community*, patience and respectful communication certainly should be. Forgiveness is also worth remembering.

Hope I'm not making things worse.

*For the record: I'm still getting to grips with the "we are not obligated to educate other members" POV, so I am faaaaar from decided as to whether this is a valid viewpoint (or not).
 
 
neukoln
19:38 / 03.04.06
In this context, it seems grimly humorous that you told me to read what I said, and not your interpretation of what I said.

Indeed it would. The irony did not pass me by.

But hang on a second and just think about how this situation arose. I directed this thread to a post depicting intolerance, requesting that it be deleted/edited. I didn't allude to a post, you didn't have to guess what I was refering to... you read it yourselves. It's the same post for all of us... we are all reading the same words. OK?

Yet, I've had 3 requests upthread asking me why I find the post bigoted and intolerant - which I didn't respond to - because the post speaks for itself. Anyone reading it can see the bile. I relented and gave my interpretation (note the emphasis). Don't expect me to apologise for my interpretation, or to bow to your mockery thereof. And I'm afraid you can't laugh me out of the playground.

The intolerance of Alex's post stands, independent of my interpretation. The bigotry is subjective, but this does not make it invalid.

Thank you for the promise of private PM - I am delighted to accept your offer. I'm afraid though that you may be disappointed to learn that it isn't all about you. But you'll be fine.
 
 
neukoln
19:41 / 03.04.06
I've actually spoken to DM via PM about this already - he seems OK with my apology, and doesn't appear to feel as if he was especially 'othered.'

Alex - [no sarcasm] thank you for doing that. [/no sarcasm]
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:42 / 03.04.06
Ok, since I have become the point of the debate, here goes:

1- my recent silence has nothing to do with the lyrics thread. IN fact, I have decided to take a time out from posting for at least a week as an exercise in self-control. Listen more than talk, and all that. I intend to return to my sabbatical as soon as I post this.

2- the lyrics I wrote had the exact intent of spoofing the recent fad of considering Haus the "barb-repressor", hence his "mentioning by name". I was not atacking Haus, I was attacking the attacks on Haus, if you understand what I mean. I thought about PMing him and explain, but ended up not doing it, out of sheer lasiness. Haus, you are the man (in the good way).

3- Alex and I PMed each other, and explained our reasons to each other. I'm cool with him, and I believe he's cool with me. I see no reason to delete his post.

That's it, inhabitants of Planet Barbelith. As you were.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:50 / 03.04.06
Yet, I've had 3 requests upthread asking me why I find the post bigoted and intolerant - which I didn't respond to - because the post speaks for itself. Anyone reading it can see the bile. I relented and gave my interpretation (note the emphasis).

Hang on a second - so, your interpretation makes no sense, absolutely nobody else has so far agreed with you that your interpretation makes any sense or that Alex's post is bigoted, your claim that the post is bigoted rests on an interpretation that makes no sense whatsoever, but the post's bigotry is plain to see, and it doesn't matter that your interpretation makes no sense, so plain to see is it, if not plain enough to lend itself to a comprehensible interpretation?

Nah. Not buying it. You didn't really think it through, and are now hoping you'll be able to insult your way out of an inchoerent position. Not cricket, Neukoln.
 
 
neukoln
20:03 / 03.04.06
...and are now hoping you'll be able to insult your way out of an inchoerent position.

Insult my way out? Examples please.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:04 / 03.04.06
Cheers, DM - thanks for clearing that up.
 
 
Spaniel
20:09 / 03.04.06
Neukoln, that's one weird interpretation, mate. I think the smart thing to do would be to back down.

Alex has apologised for his snarkiness and frankly that's all he needs to do.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:10 / 03.04.06
Woah, what? So... Alex's post was intolerant and would be intolerant even if you hadn't interpreted it as intolerant, but the bigotry is subjective... and... uh, what?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:15 / 03.04.06
Examples:

Don't expect me to apologise for my interpretation, or to bow to your mockery thereof. And I'm afraid you can't laugh me out of the playground.


I'm afraid though that you may be disappointed to learn that it isn't all about you.

Trying to insult your way out. Not cricket. Cut and paste.

So, anyway. To follow up - does anyone believe that Alex's bigotry or intolerance against people with English as a second language (and I quote) speaks for itself?
 
 
Spaniel
20:15 / 03.04.06
I think it's pretty clear that Alex is against ALL Dead Megatrons. I think he should be banned.
 
 
neukoln
20:20 / 03.04.06
Neukoln, that's one weird interpretation, mate. I think the smart thing to do would be to back down. Alex has apologised for his snarkiness and frankly that's all he needs to do.

Fine. If DM is cool, then I'm happy. I'll step down now.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:24 / 03.04.06
Alex - [no sarcasm] thank you for doing that. [/no sarcasm]

Well it wasn't really anything to do with you. I'm a bit confused as to what your stake in this is now. To the extent that he felt offended, picked-on or 'othered' (and from what he's said, hardly) DM seems happy, and generous enough to let the whole (regrettable) incident go by, so it's difficult to see why you're still trying to fight what you perceive to be the guy's corner - If he wanted to, surely he'd be all right about doing so himself?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:28 / 03.04.06
Sorry, cross-post.

Can we consider this a dead issue now?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:32 / 03.04.06
I will never ever cause anything like this, ever again.
 
 
The Falcon
20:41 / 03.04.06
Look at him, Barbelith: beaten, grovelling even. I think he's had enough, wouldn't you say?
 
 
Shrug
20:41 / 03.04.06
I think it's pretty clear that Alex is against ALL Dead Megatrons. I think he should be banned.

I think everyone that has ever posted to the moderation request thread should be banned it's the only way to be sure.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:47 / 03.04.06
No, banning is too nice. Instead they should atone by posting their lyrics in the thread, where it all started.
 
 
Char Aina
10:16 / 04.04.06
and by this point, the fact that English isn't your first language is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever

i think its possible to read this as suggesting that his english was once an issue, or that the other issues are so big as to eclipse what would otherwise be an issue, but that his ESL makes it even more distasteful? i dontt think so.

my main wonder on that would be why mention his english language skills at all? is there a history of megatron hiding behind the language barrier? are people criticising him elsewhere for his english?

it seems unnecessary, especially in the context of a fairly aggressive post.

ill advised and confusing, rather than malicious.
 
 
Char Aina
20:21 / 04.04.06
less a mod request, more a wonder...

did anyone delete a post of mine recently?
i am certain i posted a response to another poster's one liner in the myspace thread in conversation and it seems to have disappeared.
it was fairly worthless, but i do wonder if senility should be a concern.

anyone?
 
 
matthew.
21:30 / 04.04.06
Who's speaking? I don't see anybody.

[toksik: quick. listen. it's a master plan to delete you, to obliterate you - i can't talk long. i think they're on to m- no! wait! i need more time! no! arghhhhhhhhhhhh....]
 
 
Char Aina
21:47 / 04.04.06
there!
i told you i'd get the ringleader for you!
now that its only a matter of time befor eyou round up the others, can i have my post back?

what do you mean no?
bu...but i did all you asked!
why?
WHY?!

ahem.
but yeah.
the post could have been construed as offensive or dangerous, so i reckon there was grounds to delete it, albeit flimsy ground of the sort to be found crunching underfoot after a particularly sharp frost.
thin stuff.
ice, i think they call it.

the post was comedy stalking advice for a member who seemed to desire it.

anyone?
or am i just going mental?
 
 
matthew.
13:47 / 05.04.06
I have a mod question. I want to start a thread about this article which reports that Sesame Street is producing videos for babies that should be watched with their parents. Sesame Street partnered with a respectable advocacy group and their experts. The controversy, as the article says, is that some experts don't believe babies should be watching television. At all. So I wanted to see what Barbelith thought of this in the big picture. Is this a symptom of our tv-obsessed culture? Or a cause of further tv-obsessed children?

The mod question is, where? Convo? Headshop? Film, TV, and Theatre? WHERE! For the love of Christmas! Where?
 
 
matthew.
13:49 / 05.04.06
Whoops, I borked the link.
 
 
The Falcon
13:49 / 05.04.06
I'd put it in F,TV&T.
 
 
Char Aina
13:55 / 05.04.06
what do you want to ask?
figure out the thread in your head, and then read the forum descritions on the wiki.
whichever description seems to match closest, go with that.

some differences include...
if it's in convo, there will be jokes and japes, and possibly no one will talk about it tomorrow. certainly not next week.
if it's in headshop, it will be slower, but it will last longer and continue to be relevant, potentially forever.
if you want to discuss the science of it, you could go to the lab. if you wanted to discuss its impact on television habits and what it means for the future of television, then whack it in FTVT.

it's really more about where you see it going than classifying the subject matter.

in my humblest, etc.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:39 / 08.04.06
The Judas thread. Currently in the Switchboard but, although the translation of the new Gospel of Judas is a current affair, should it really be in the Temple?
 
 
Tom Coates
09:51 / 08.04.06
I'm interested in this thread on protein and biotech and food consumption: What are we eating? It seems like it should be in the Laboratory. I'm not going to propose it without discussion though.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:54 / 08.04.06
I'm also interested in this thread on The Politics of Birthing which seems to me to be placed somewhere between Head Shop and Laboratory (health aspect). It's not a thread particularly about politics or the history of the concept of birthing, nor is it enormously influenced by Feminism or theory of any kind. It does seem to sit nicely in the 'medicine and medical ethics' aspect of the Lab. Thoughts?
 
 
grant
18:26 / 10.04.06
I stuck a note asking about Lab-moving in the meat-from-vats thread, but the homebirthing one seems a little more political and less medical, so I'm not sure if it wouldn't do better in Head Shop.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:43 / 10.04.06
Um, sorry--I've just disagreed a request to move the Judas thread from Switchboard to Temple, not because it couldn't go there but because we've already got one.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:48 / 11.04.06
I'm also interested to see how two threads with the same premise develop when planted in different fora. Cos, let's face it, it's a subject which could work well in both, but is likely to happen... well, differently.

(Someone should put one in Convo, too, as a control group thingy).
 
 
Isadore
08:30 / 11.04.06
Speaking of stuff in the Temple, can someone please do something with the Sheeple thread, as it's primarily a discussion of Marxism at this point? I'd think either the Head Shop or the Switchboard (?) would be more appropriate than where it is now.

Or, alternately, someone could formulate some magicky use for overbearing misplaced political theory; I'm not picky.
 
  

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