BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


V For Vendetta (PICS)

 
  

Page: 12(3)45678... 22

 
 
■
21:53 / 05.03.05
Yow. After reading the replies he got, I am so glad the Barb exists. Can I huggle you all in a mask-and-stovepipe-hat-wearing way? That was so ugly and lurid it hurt...
 
 
FinderWolf
16:54 / 07.03.05
Big press conference held recently - newsarama is covering it, also www.comicscontinuum.com and other places (Comics 2 Film). They keep saying they're going to be 'slavishly' faithful to the comic. They talk about the themes - what makes someone a freedom fighter or a terrorist, how government doesn't trust its citizens, what's wrong with government today - it sounds like it might actually be pretty cool.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:32 / 07.03.05


Well the mask looks dead on. Hopefully the attention to detail will apply to all of it...
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:47 / 07.03.05
They are saying all the right things on this one. And the fact that purfoy has said that he isn't going to remove the mask is promising.

I just hope that Wachowski's and Silver work on making sure that the first time director isn't bullied by the studio.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
22:19 / 07.03.05
I've heard that the Wachowski's are not directing, and I've heard that it is going to be set in an alternate reality where the Nazis won WW2 and took over Britain. Perhaps, this is simply a report from someone who's not familiar with the comic and mistakes the fascists in control for German Nazis, but has anyone else heard about this?
 
 
PatrickMM
01:19 / 08.03.05
"Set against the futuristic landscape of totalitarian Britain" is all the official site has to say about the movie's setting. To me, that implies it's like the book, and not an alternate history, but it doesn't really confirm it.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
02:35 / 08.03.05
From the Press Conference:

Purefoy: "... I was just working with it and thinking about it and I think the more I love the mask the more I'll understand it."

Wow. That's fucking brilliant, that is.

First time I've sincerely thought that maybe this film won't be painful.

*feeling giddy*
 
 
FinderWolf
13:14 / 09.03.05
Fanboys note: Natalie will be shaving her head to play Evey! She says she's psyched for it.

I look forward to when I can have an acting job that will give me the excuse to shave MY head...
 
 
cusm
18:31 / 10.03.05
"Set against the futuristic landscape of totalitarian Britain"

So, present day then?
 
 
wicker woman
07:51 / 11.03.05
That first article raises my hopes, but the "neo-futuristic setting" quote kinda worries me. Of course, the neo prefix in front of pretty much anything worries me a little these days.
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:08 / 11.03.05
They're contractually obliged to mention Neo as much as humanly possible, to boost flagging DVD sales.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:29 / 09.05.05
Official report - James Purefoy has left the film for "undisclosed reasons" and has been replaced by Hugo Weaving!
 
 
FinderWolf
14:37 / 09.05.05
Strange...
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
22:55 / 09.05.05
Hugo Weaving?

Huh. "I'm getting the ph33r" as the kids say...
 
 
CameronStewart
00:02 / 10.05.05
Why? I think Weaving's a great actor. And since we never - even in the film, apparently - see V's face, they can keep all the existing footage and just dub the voice...
 
 
Hieronymus
01:29 / 10.05.05
Having seen Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven play the masked character so well, I'm very curious to see Weaving pull it off.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
01:43 / 10.05.05
Because it seems unlikely that they'd go to the trouble of getting a big name star like Hugo Weaving and then give him no lines?
 
 
CameronStewart
01:53 / 10.05.05
What do you mean "no lines"? Have you read V for Vendetta? V's a principal character and has dialogue all the way through it. We just never see his face as it's under a mask.

So I guess they've shot the prison scene already:

 
 
penitentvandal
08:12 / 10.05.05
But will V now constantly call Evey 'Miss Hammond', in a slightly contemptuous way?

I dunno about Weaving as V - his voice is too distinctive. I think the guy who wanted V with an anonymous, possibly computer-generated voice, was on the money.

Back to topic, and what I actually meant to say, what is this about a new character? 'Gordon Dietrich, a talk show host who questions the system' according to that movie site. Why? Why put a new character in? Yes, played by Stephen Fry, very good, but the only character Fry should play in it is Lewis fuckin' Prothero! Not some made-up new character. Why the obsession with doing this in Hollywood films, with sci-fi/comics/geek properties at least? Not changing original characters a bit, that's okay, but totally new characters? 'Hey, let's do a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie, but let's have, like Tom Sawyer (or whoever) in it as well as the ones from the book.' 'Hey, let's do V for Vendetta but insert some random chat show host.' Why? And why are both my examples Moore movies? Hmmm.

It's looking more and more like Baz Lurmann missed a trick by not putting a new character into Romeo and Juliet. They could have called him, oh, I dunno, Lutherius or something, and he could have been, er, Romeo's bodyguard, yeah, and he could have killed Tybalt instead of Romeo and then Romeo would have had to kill him because Tybalt was Romeo's cousin, you see? Yeah, that would improve the story! A totally extraneous new character, rather than one from the source material! FUCK YEAH!

Also, look what they did with the name. The baddies are a bit like Nazis, you see, so let's have this guy who questions them, and who's a bit showbiz, be called Dietrich, because, you see, it's like a reference to all this....Shut up! That's not clever, it's stupid! Not least because part of the point of the book is that the characters all have quite dull, English-sounding surnames, with the possible exception of Prothero. The all-powerful leader is called Adam Susan, for god's sake, a total non-entity of a name. Start putting people with referential surnames in and it kind of destroys that dull prolevibe thing going on with the surnames. I mean, come on - Dascombe, Almond, Finch, Etheridge, Susan, Hammond - the list of names in V for Vendetta reads like the staff list for a provincial call centre, which adds to that dull, wet afternoon in the 80s feel someone else already mentioned.

This chat-show host thing, again, makes me think they're trying to make the story seem more 'contemporary'. But the point is it doesn't need to be. The whole point of the story is that Britain has regressed, culturally, to a kind of late fifties, early sixties level. It doesn't need to be made relevant.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:28 / 10.05.05
I'm hoping all this "Nazis won World War II" stuff that keeps coming up is based on a misunderstanding- someone involved in the mvoie told a journo something like "England's run by Nazis"and they assumed that was what was meant, and it's been re-reported all over the place.

Yes, I know, that's probably a tad optimistic.
 
 
wicker woman
08:34 / 10.05.05
Back to topic, and what I actually meant to say, what is this about a new character? 'Gordon Dietrich, a talk show host who questions the system' according to that movie site. Why? Why put a new character in?

Not to mention that character makes no freaking sense as he would last about two seconds in the V world before being dragged off for "re-education".
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
10:43 / 10.05.05
What do you mean "no lines"? Have you read V for Vendetta? V's a principal character and has dialogue all the way through it. We just never see his face as it's under a mask.

No reason to get huffy, I've read V. I just read your post as if you were intimating that Weaving would be the actor playing V physically but not doing the voice. Because he's not British, but Australian. That still worries me. And I do think it would be noticeable if you have two different actors playing V, as his physical movement is very important, in my opinion.

Why? I think Weaving's a great actor.

Yeah, he was great in Babe: Pig in the City wasn't he?
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
10:50 / 10.05.05
Back to topic, and what I actually meant to say, what is this about a new character? 'Gordon Dietrich, a talk show host who questions the system' according to that movie site. Why? Why put a new character in?

Pretty sure Gordon is an existing character that they've changed, as I re-read V recently. He's the guy that Evey shacks up with after leaving the Gallery, I believe. Could be wrong.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:16 / 10.05.05
Yeah, Gordon (in the book) is the black marketeer and receiver-of-stolen-goods who becomes Evey's protector and lover (before being stabbed by Ally the Horrible Scots Bastard)—except that he was more Liam Neeson than Stephen Fry, and a far cry from a chat-show host of any stripe.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:02 / 10.05.05
So they're making some sort of changes, right? Rather than respecting the original fans and shooting every frame to look like specific comics panels? Oh no! Why must they do this? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why must this happen to the Bearded God Of Northampton?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
12:21 / 10.05.05
Bob Harris?
 
 
penitentvandal
13:55 / 10.05.05
Was he called Gordon Dietrich in the book, though? It seems an unusually glamorous name, given the absolutely borecore naming conventions which appear to govern the rest of the cast. Perhaps it's just me, I'll have to check tonight.

As to the accusation that I'm engaging in traditional fanboy whywhywhying, I don't think I am - what I'm objecting to is the creation and/or rejigging of a new character in a totally unnecessary way which adds nothing to the story, and would arguably weaken it. One of the key points about V is that there is no opposition - except V. V even jokes about it to Evey in one of the early episodes, 'Vaudeville', doing a whole 'you and me against the world' bit. This lack of any opposition which isn't a crazy anarchist in a mask is what makes V such an attractive character. Once you have other characters in 'questioning the system' you kind of destroy the whole dramaturgical diad of the piece, the either/or quality.

Sez I.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:11 / 10.05.05
>>>I just read your post as if you were intimating that Weaving would be the actor playing V physically but not doing the voice. Because he's not British, but Australian. That still worries me.<<<

Well, that's where "acting" comes in. Presumably he will affect a British accent for his performance as V, rather than stick with his own.

>>>Why? I think Weaving's a great actor.

Yeah, he was great in Babe: Pig in the City wasn't he?<<<

Har har. Pick any one of your favourite actors and I'm sure you can pull a duffer out of their CV. He WAS great, in my opinion, in Priscilla, Proof, and The Interview, and even in the Matrix and Lord of the Rings.

Looks like that picture I posted above isn't working - it's a photo of Natalie Portman with her head shaved.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:30 / 10.05.05
Because he's not British, but Australian.

At the risk of sounding even more pedantic, there's no reason that should be a problem. All we know about V in the comic is that he was in Larkhill a few years previosuly. He may even have an Australian accent/be Australian. Never having actually heard his voice, I couodn't say.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:16 / 10.05.05
Once you have other characters in 'questioning the system' you kind of destroy the whole dramaturgical diad of the piece, the either/or quality.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure I buy it as you present it. Pretty much everyone (Prothero and the Archbishop excepted) in V FOR VENDETTA has grave doubts about the fascist state in which they live. Some of them have found a way to game the corrupt system, which is a tacit expression of contempt—if you truly believced in the ideals of the fascist state, they wouldn't be exploiting it for personal gain (contrast them with the Leader, whose near-absolute devotion shows in his abstemious lifestyle).

Finch and Delia are haunted by their part in the forging of the police state—Delia so much that she welcomes death as a blessing. All the characters suffer dehumanization to one degree or another, under the regime; even the bastards are victims, to an extent.

Even the Leader—truest of all the true believers—seems to view Fascist England as a regrettable necessity: stiff upper lip, we all must do our part, you know, it was us or them. After all, if he had no doubts, no insecurities, V would not be so able to manipulate him.

What V does, that no-one else dares do, is to question the system openly. That's what makes him a folk hero and an inspiration; if he were not giving voice to the repressed rage, regret, and doubts of the common man, he'd be nothing but a lone-gunman whackjob.

Which he's manifestly not. It's important that the Leader is killed not by V, but by one of the "common people"—an everyday victim of Fascist England's everyday brutalities.

But yeah, people speak of their doubts behind closed doors, if they speak of them aloud at all... until V's actions embolden them. Now, if this "Gordon Dietrich" fellow enbters the scene in mid-picture as an ordinary professional-class fellow who is inspired to set up a pirate radio station in his garden shed, that's one thing.

But if his "chat show" is established at the start of the film, then I agree—it screws with the storytelling arc, by establishing too early that the State does not have the complete control that it appears to have. For V to function properly as the catalyst he is, the other ingredients in the reaction must be dormant until V acts.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:52 / 10.05.05
Looks like that picture I posted above isn't working - it's a photo of Natalie Portman with her head shaved.

I moved it from ImageBucket to Superhero Hype's source for ya, Cameron. Hopefully they won't get pissy about it being crosslinked.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
16:55 / 10.05.05
At the risk of sounding even more pedantic, there's no reason that should be a problem. All we know about V in the comic is that he was in Larkhill a few years previosuly. He may even have an Australian accent/be Australian. Never having actually heard his voice, I couodn't say.

Three points.

1)The rest of the world is a nuclear wasteland (in the comic), 2) Evey thinks that V might be her father, and if Evey's father had an Australian accent, wouldn't that need to be addressed? and 3) If this were an American actor taking over the role, there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the fans.

Otherwise, I must admit that Weaving is actually not a bad actor, and I'd LOVE to see the picture of Portman all cueball.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:30 / 10.05.05
If you're fiendishly interested, here's the SHH article about it, complete with picture. Though it does seem to have more about her going Sinead than any real info about the film.

She does have a pretty dome.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:11 / 10.05.05
Tom Tit - you seem to neglect to consider my point above that actors frequently ACT, faking the accent and all. Some do it better than others but it's not unheard of for an American or even Australian actor to, you know, pretend to be from another country.
 
 
Tom Tit's Tot: A Girl!
18:21 / 10.05.05
Tom Tit - you seem to neglect to consider my point above that actors frequently ACT, faking the accent and all. Some do it better than others but it's not unheard of for an American or even Australian actor to, you know, pretend to be from another country.

Gee, I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks so much for casting light on my overwhelming ignorance.
 
  

Page: 12(3)45678... 22

 
  
Add Your Reply