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7 Soldiers

 
  

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_Boboss
16:13 / 25.10.06
come on! more news! what's going on?? is the uk affected or not???????????????
 
 
_Boboss
16:20 / 25.10.06
oh, looks okay actually - just a few parts of the US midwest - asuming they're mainly red states, so fuck them then.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:34 / 25.10.06
Hm.

That was, well, okay, it was gorgeous. One of the best illustrated comics in history, ever. That's confirmed. And a very many things get wrapped up really nicely.

There's one thing, though, well...let's just say Klarion's definitely slumming it hanging out with Robin. And that's all I'll say on that.

Alix's story is resolved beautifully, Grant's proposed a fantastic Ystin ongoing directly to himself in like one page, a Soldier definitely dies, and yes it's who you think it is, a Soldier is definitely betrayed, and no it's not at all who you think it is.

And the spear that was never thrown is, I believe, a Ford Mustang.

Worth the wait? Absolutely.

Seven Soldiers Still Sucks? Ah, no, it never did, you clods! And now it UNSUCKS even harder.

All in all, a legitimately great FIRST ISSUE (remember?).
 
 
Sniv
16:50 / 25.10.06
Brilliant. That was exactly what I was hoping to hear. And without spoilers! Thanks Benjamin!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:51 / 25.10.06
I still refuse to believe it exists yet. Which means, Yotsuba, that I'm afraid I shall have to remain skeptical as to your own existence until such moment as I have the thing in my hands.
 
 
andrewdrilon
17:03 / 25.10.06
It's brilliant. Still reeling from the mindfuck of it all--stunningly choreographed chaos, mindblowing art from JH, and it wraps up all the big questions satisfyingly. Gotta give it a couple of reads for it to sink it...i still can't believe it's finally over. What a great series.
 
 
adamswish
17:07 / 25.10.06
I share your feelings Stoat. Finding myself at a loose end today I wander into my local, friendly comic book shop (UK). Having picked my two I pay and quickly check issue 1 is still coming out tomorrow. The reply was "yes. (long pause) as far as we know anyway!"

He didn't want to get my hopes up you see, just in case. We then decended into a brief rant about a certain All Star title before I left.

Still looking forward to tomorrow through, even though I'll probably wait til the weekend or next week as I'm too busy to sneak into a comic store.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:20 / 25.10.06
wait a minute...Benjamin...you got it? your store isn't served by Diamond?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:21 / 25.10.06
NYC is fully stocked.
 
 
Quimper
18:18 / 25.10.06
it's here. it's all right here.

so much i want to say. love. death. betrayal. resolution. seven universes colliding.

guardian and klarion's moments are especially orgasmic.

JH Williams III deserves some sort of something. He is a brilliant mimic, which is not a bad thing esp. for this series. He really captures the traits of the respective artists when drawing one of the soldiers.

His Zatanna is Sook's, esp in a big closeup. We've seen the New Gods Kirby pages. Shining Knight's moments are all Bianchi. Cam will marvel at his Guardian. Bulleteer and Klarion too. Just amazing. Adds such a subconcious enjoyment of the big finale. It's feels like seven visual universes colliding.
 
 
CameronStewart
18:39 / 25.10.06
>>>Cam will marvel at his Guardian.<<<

Hmmm.

I dunno...it's very strange, I'm looking at it now and I have that strange awkward feeling that you get when hearing someone do an impression of your voice or how you act - "is that really what I sound like? Is that how people see me?" I'm of course far more sensitive to it than anyone else but to be honest it's suddenly, unexpectedly made me feel rather insecure about my drawings.

The rest of the book is gorgeously drawn and JH is still one of the most remarkably imaginative storytellers around. I haven't really read it closely yet but I'll get to it later tonight...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:51 / 25.10.06
I still think you're all lying.

I hope you're not, but I can't convince myself otherwise.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:01 / 25.10.06
Cameron,

I definitely know exactly what you mean, as the "Cam" pages of the Guardian were the ones that looked the least like JH's interpretation of an artist and more of a an attempt to be exactly like the artist. Personally, I think it's because you have a style that, if I may, is the least replicatable. Each of the other artists has a trademark characteristic (wash, in Bianchi's case, for example) that JH was able to replicate and then bring his own style to bear. Your work, however, doesn't have any of those hooks. It's simply your extemely unique draftsmanship. And I think JH's attempt to replicate comes off, for that reason, a little stiff (especially the close up of Carla, which had all of the surface characteristics of your line, but very little of the intangible qualities that makes your art so dynamic.) I hope this doesn't come off as a slight to the other artists involved or as a sloppy attempt at a fellating your ego. I just wanted to point out what I noticed as well, and assure you that, seriously, you're pretty fantastic at this, in ways that aren't really that easy to replicate.
 
 
Mario
21:00 / 25.10.06
I... have no idea what happened in this issue.

I think I need to read it a couple more times.
 
 
Loud Detective
21:04 / 25.10.06
That's where I was at after the first reading, too; completely confused. A couple more times through it and now I'm quite happy with it. It definitely wasn't what I was expecting, but that doesn't make it any less fantastic!
 
 
Quimper
21:05 / 25.10.06
Cam, It's icky seeing someone do an impression of you. But Y&B is totally right. It was merely an impersonation. The intangibles of your style are what make artists like you great.

Now, is anyone good at crossword puzzles? I'm trying to make some Chop Suzi connections here.
 
 
Mario
21:19 / 25.10.06
I was trying that puzzle myself, and while I'm not getting very far...

Remember Lars & Lena?
 
 
Tom Coates
21:29 / 25.10.06
Oh god, I'm so excited I might plotz. More specifically, can I say thank you to everyone for waiting another day or so before the spoilers start flowing! I got to read this and get all filled with anticipation and tomorrow I get to buy it and i'm so terribly excited.
 
 
Quimper
21:40 / 25.10.06
Mario,

Gloriana is one. Lance is one. One is one. GM is one. I'm guessing Badde is one?

The rest are stumping me.

Lars & Lena? Say wha?
 
 
Eskay Uno
21:42 / 25.10.06
Alright, here' my attempt at cracking the crossword...

ACROSS
1- Lena
3- Bomb
4- Badde
7- Gloriana
9- Oast

DOWN
1- Loa
2- Abednigo
4- ?
5- ?
6- Penis
7- GM
8- One
 
 
Eskay Uno
21:45 / 25.10.06
And yes, I am not serious about 6 down.
 
 
LDones
21:59 / 25.10.06
I believe Mario is catching that the crossword puzzle hints at the secret parentage of two characters from Guardian. It's strange, though.
 
 
Mario
22:14 / 25.10.06
Just some educated guesses.

1. Lena
3. Bomb
4. Badde
7. Gloriana
9.

1. Loa
2. Abednigo
4.
5.
6. Lance
7. GM
8. One
 
 
LDones
22:17 / 25.10.06
It doesn't change the rest of the crossword, but I believe 3 Across is 'Bors' - the Laughing Knight, the smallest of them splitting the smallest of atoms.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:33 / 25.10.06
Is Morrison putting himself straight-on? Big bang, no metaphorical foreplays and all? Like Animal-Man?
 
 
LDones
22:39 / 25.10.06
He's said all 8 of the 7 Unknown Men were characters who'd appeared previously in the DC Universe, old power players.

He's appeared in the comics, so I'd definitely say he's made himself one of them.

My money is on Greg Saunders as one as well, but more on that when the spoiler moratorium's had time to relax for a few more.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:44 / 25.10.06
still haven't read it but: why did JHWIII "had" to mimic the other artists' styles? I wonder if this is relevant to the story[telling] or it's just cool.

guess it will/would be cool, but #0 was so great in his owns artistic merits.
 
 
Mario
22:47 / 25.10.06
Did anyone recognize that coat? It seemed important.
 
 
LDones
22:57 / 25.10.06
I'd say that's a pretty mega spoiler to go into that, even if its appearance is a metaphor for the patchwork continuity of the DC universe. They've remade the coat (lying on the table whole on page 1) into a new one. They're imprisoning someone in the identity of someone else, and it's pretty fitting, given the folklore basis of the character they're referring to.

----
Also.

The issue's titled 'The Miser's Coat', likely referring to a 1796 poem by William Hutton called 'Reconciliation', which is largely about marriage.

A relevant excerpt, about coats as identities/selves.

Or, monarchs of the Eastern nations,
Only appear on great occasions:
Or, like a miser meanly dress'd;
For Sunday only saves his best,

But we'll no more a likeness note
'Twixt kindness and a miser's coat;
For if he hacks his coat about,
Perhaps he'll quickly wear it out;
But the reverse good nature knows;
The more 'tis worn the better grows.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:21 / 25.10.06
"Only Misers want to save the world."

didn't some other GM character say that?

great visual feast... awesome use of the forth wall. I was particularly moved by the Tarot Card titled "THIS COULD BE YOU."

Echos of supergirl in that Shining Knight proposal harkens back (or forward) to SK's cameo in 52. Bulleteer was also wonderful and I kept getting echo's of the finale in DARK KNIGHT RETURNS what with ________ riding tall in the saddle.

Gotta read the 7UM sections more closely upon reread.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
23:35 / 25.10.06
What a nice wrap-up. I'm not sure it makes any sense but it was definitely satisfying in an emotional way. I like the way Phipps Bunkerson handles his multi-character apocalyse - it reminded me of some of CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS in a weird way. But a good way.

I'm still not sure what happened with Frankenstein or Klarion. And why Mr. Miracle was doing what he was doing - but I liked what he was doing, I'm just not sure why he was doing it. But Zatanna, Shining Knight, the Manhattan Guardian and Bulleteer all had nice parts to play. Esp. Shining Knight who I wound up liking far more than I anticipated.

Does anyone have any idea who was getting stiched up, though? I don't have a clue and it seems important.

I'm sure that smart people can make sense of SEVEN SOLDIERS but I can't. I have no idea about anything that's going on but I still enjoy it. I just wish it was geared a little more towards dolts like myself.
 
 
andrewdrilon
00:07 / 26.10.06
Isn't the guy getting stiched up Zor? The "bad one" of the Seven Unknown Men?
 
 
Billuccho!
00:09 / 26.10.06
Does anyone have any idea who was getting stiched up, though? I don't have a clue and it seems important.

They're referred to by name in-story.
 
 
jhw3
01:20 / 26.10.06
hey there cam and everyone else
glad to see you are enjoying the end of the thrill ride that took bloody forever to reach that last hill before plummeting downward at top speed before coming to an abrupt stop. yes all silly metaphor from me.

cam
just wanted to let you know that i think your art is brilliant and in no way was i trying reflect badly on what you brought to this table. my main goal for interpreting the nice art from the mini series was to compliment what came before. i didn't want what everyone else who worked so hard on this to be ignored. so i felt i would give everyone's look my best shot for clarity sake and to properly serve the way it was written. interestingly enough your style was the most difficult for me and i think that shows a little. but it was fun and worth trying for consistency with the other work that came before. so please don't take my somewhat faulty interpretation poorly because it was truly meant to be an homage and to honor what you and the other extremely talented people had done.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:28 / 26.10.06
When I first saw the 7 Unknown Men, I first thought of meta-(physics)/(linguistic) tools Morrison used (on 7S more on middle terms between Animal Man and Invisibles it seemed). But did he actually went on and explicitly throw out a "GM" or "Morrison aka new architecht" or "suck my Scottish Logos, Zatanna!" or is something 'Lithers get but your usual reader wouldn't quite pick up on it?


(Goddamn, I need to read this fast and a thousand times plus one)
 
  

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