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Triplets
02:17 / 15.06.08
Skrulls, the pair of you.
 
 
ThePirateKing
12:31 / 18.06.08
The problem so far is that after a fairly strong first issue there is absolutely NO plot.

There are no twists and turns.

About nine seconds have passed since the first page of issue one to the last page of issue three. there's no sense of the scale of the invasion. But worst of all (to me) no actual bloody story. The last two issues were a complete waste of story time, (with the exception of the three page Mockingbird/Hawkeye sequence and the one frame with a sinister Jarvis asking for 'complete surrender'.
 
 
Janean Patience
17:18 / 19.06.08
the one frame with a sinister Jarvis asking for 'complete surrender'.

I thought that was just a bad, bad dream I had one evening...
 
 
Janean Patience
16:39 / 23.07.08
So. Four issues of Secret Invasion, four Bendis-written issues of this crossover since anyone bothered to comment on Barbelith. We're about halfway through, I'd say, with 13 issues of SA and NA and MA published. Anyone give a shit anymore?

I've just read the last five issues, feeling I ought to know my stuff before posting. I've already forgotten most of it. They're so inconsequential. Perhaps because Bendis has chosen the lazy option of filling each back-up issue with one whole story. If the Spider-Woman and Elektra stories had been published earlier, instead of being so long after the yeah-they're-Skrulls fact, there could have been some tension. But what do you get? Jessica was replaced at a point where it made little sense to do so and lucked into the Avengers. That's a whole issue. (And I think I saw someone suggest it online, but are those breast implants on the table when she's about to be operated on? What else could they be?) Elektra killed some Skrulls, died and was replaced, thankfully without the whole cliched ceremony we'd seen twice already, in apparently the perfect position to die and kick events off. Which is to say the whole unlikely circumstance of the New Avengers being in Japan and killing Elektra, something they are not normally wont to do, was integral to the Skrulls' plan.

Another unlikelihood: Hank Pym. I've griped at length previously about the randomness of the Mighty Avengers thrilling adventures so far. Now Ulton, whose appearance remains unexplained, came along just in time to give Hank Pym vital information for the Invasion. Was he responsible for that? The comic doesn't say. And, given the amount of treading water Bendis is doing in these backups, he'd say. He could get four or five pages out of saying, a lifeline to a struggling man.

The Skrulls, then, take over some obvious choices - Jarvis, Dum Dum, people with access but little scrutiny or danger - and some completely random bastards. Second and third-stringers. They do it in a very boring way. To take out a hero a) sneak up on them and kill them b) fight them and kill them or c) fuck them and kill them. I guess Spider-Woman was tricked, big whoop. The back-up stories should have been illuminating fire. But they've been tortuously slow and shamefully unoriginal.

Meanwhile in the main crossover, the fight that started at the end of #1 continues. The fight in Times Square has... ended? Who was in it again, the Young Avengers, the Initiative and the Howlin' Commando Teens? There are intriguing plot threads being dropped about: the Void's return, Captain America, that Thor-a-like, Skrulder-Woman in House of M, Mockingboid's resurrection. But they get ignored for a dinosaur. And who's the girl with green hair? I mean I've been reading this motherfucker and I've even reread but I've no idea.

I'll finish it. After that, though, maybe Bendis should take a break. Has there been a decent comic from him since Civil War?
 
 
dark horse
16:48 / 23.07.08
the girl with the green hair is agent brand dude.... she was in joss whedon's x-men run, but i don't blame you for not following that it came out so slowly!

i'm so angry at bendis for retconning jessica drew as a skrull, she was the best character in new avengers by far ever since it became "new" - which seemed like a lot of "hype" to me anyway, what was wrong with the classic avengers line up? - anyway... it seems like a cheap twist to say she was always a skrull, c'mon, who does bendis and joe q think they're kidding? this will probably all be retconned away again anyway...
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
18:38 / 23.07.08
just finished the "how electra became a skrull" issue. kind of remember having a similar reaction to the last secret invasion issue, which was: How the fuck did someone manage to make THIS story so fucking boring?

I mean, it didn't have to be super original or insightful. the earth gets invaded every week in the MU, we've seen skrulls before. but it ought to, at the very least, be exciting.

I guess the reveal (long ago) that tony stark was being a dick on purpose to save the world from skrulls was pretty rad. the knowledge that nick fury was putting together a secret team of commandos was good, in an excited "of course he is!" kind of way. other than that, I think every single aspect of this has been disappointing.

really, it's kind of astonishing.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:45 / 23.07.08
Issue 1 of Secret Invasion started off relatively strong - the issues since then... not so much (although the psyche-out device of the huge ship full of 70s Marvel heroes, most of which are Skrulls but a few may or not be the real thing, was a fun idea). Issues 3 and 4 of Secret Invasion have been issues wherein...nothing much really happened. Disappointing, indeed.
 
 
dark horse
19:13 / 23.07.08
my mom thinks i'm cool, did you really think it's cool that bendis is trying to justify tony stark being a fascist dick now? personally it kind of freaks me out to see marvel pushing this "obey the government" shit down our throats... first they kill off captain america and now this... i hope tony is a skrull, it's the only way to fix him basically running homeland security... fortunately this'll all be retconned next year... or hey, maybe marvel can have a big summer crossover in which the heroes act like heroes?!? just a thought! nah, it's too crazy for joe q... /sarcasm
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:32 / 23.07.08
personally it kind of freaks me out to see marvel pushing this "obey the government" shit down our throats...

I didn't really feel it was being "pushed down our throats". I'm pretty sure we weren't supposed to like captain america getting killed, or most of the other stuff that happened.

the idea was reasonable - what would really be the consequences of having random superpowered idiot vigilantes with no regulation? how would our society react to the inevitable destruction and loss of life in the name of justice? how would experienced, self-sacrificing superheroes like captain america and spiderman react to the idea of regulation? with obvious parallels to our "post-9/11" world, etc etc.

it's fair to say that, much like secret invasion, the civil war storyline was a potentially cool idea with a shitty execution, I think. regardless, I didn't read a lot of civil war, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone at Marvel was hoping to convince me to join the police or anything.

fortunately this'll all be retconned next year...

actually this might be worth talking about. how are they going to deal with the fact that Secret Invasion and it's setup have killed several major characters of the MU?

are the skrulls killing the heroes/villains they're replacing? are we sure?

also, the replacement process seems to involve implanting the skrulls with the memories and even personalities of the people they replace, so maybe the "real" spider woman might have acted the same as the skrull spider woman, etc, and we won't have to pretend none of that stuff ever happened, sort of. or anyway I can see that being written into the story.

actually, it seems that some of secret invasion is the retcon - I definitely got the impression that the captain america who got off that spaceship is supposed to be the original, making his death actually...a skrull's death? well, maybe I need to read things again. that's too bad, because I don't really want to.

maybe I'll wait for it to all blow over and then read the wikipedia article.
 
 
dark horse
19:34 / 23.07.08
yeah i agree that that's the real cap who got off the spaceship! now maybe he's going to face off with the lame bucky cap-with-a-gun?
 
 
Essential Dazzler
20:46 / 23.07.08
Bucky as Cap is great, and Cap's body did not revert to skrull form upon his death, or at any time before his burial. No way in hell did the real Cap get off that Spaceship.

Did anyone else catch the continuity error between Mighty #15 and New #42, both released on the same day?

In New, Spider-Woman reports to Skrull Pym in his lab in America about the raft breakout, informing him that the Avengers have reformed.

While in Mighty, Pym is still human, not be replaced for days when his Skrully girlfriend shows him that the Avengers have reformed at the raft breakout on the internet.

I'm very dissapointed with the series so far. What, about an hour passing in 4 issues? (How long does it take to fly to the Savage Land anyway?)
 
 
FinderWolf
22:49 / 25.07.08
I have to add that Bendis' attempts at Dr. Strange mysticspeak - and now, Ka-Zar's language, whatever that is - are laughably bad. Literally: "Matumba salana!" and "Fasmuni"! His Dr. Strange spellcasting was stuff like "Falani nasana" -- practically "Hakuna Matata". I don't know where he gets this stuff. Anyone else notice this in his Avengers run...?
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
20:02 / 28.07.08
Cap's body did not revert to skrull form upon his death, or at any time before his burial. No way in hell did the real Cap get off that Spaceship

good call on that one.
 
 
Janean Patience
15:30 / 30.07.08
Didn't realise there was an issue last week. We've established that Tony Stark isn't a Skrull and that Cap was... are those the two most obvious revelations possible? I could be interested in Hawkeye or Mockingbird or Luke Cage. But no, two very, very obvious fakeouts. Back to square zero, then.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:33 / 30.07.08
I kind of felt like Bendis, via the writing, seemed to really want to come across that Mockingbird was really Mockingbird - - how else would a Skrull, with no Mockingbird to template off of, know the inner secrets of her & Hawkeye's (retconned/inserted) miscarriage? Or will it be explained that the Mockingbird Skrull had some telepathic DNA put in her so she could read humans' minds and guess what they need to hear "her" say to win their trust, perhaps...?

whereas I never thought Tony Stark was a Skrull for a split-second... they've invested several years in his character arc and often referred to Tony "redeeming" himself and having regrets, felt perhaps he'd made some mistakes in the he handled the whole Civil War/Registration thing -- so Secret Invasion is the perfect way for Stark to 'redeem' himself.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
08:43 / 13.08.08
I'm not sure I get that "continuity error". Firstly, one conversation was between Hank Pym and his girlfriend, the other was between the Skrull Spiderwoman and Skrull Pym. And neither really suggested it was the first time he'd been told the news of the Avengers reforming.

I'm glad someone's keeping an eye on continuity though, because I just tend to throw my hands in the air and go with it with events like this.

So, issue 5 out today, are we still in the Savage Land? Has this story actually started yet?

There's been some interesting 'filling in the blanks' issues so far (the Spiderwoman, Hank Pym and Elektra issues all pretty good), but, with only four issues left, I'm wondering when is something going to .. um .. happen.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:01 / 15.08.08
So #5 is out... it's ok, not great. Seems like this is the 'starting up towards the climax' issue - a few heroes start kicking ass and other heroes get very, very angry. I will say this, Bendis did successfuly psyche me out here - one character I thought was truly real, truly human (I figured this was Bendis' way of bringing back this old character) turns out...not so much.

But overall, this still feels underwhelming when compared to the first issue's quality. Accusations of 'padding' are sure to follow, and already have been, I suppose. (I think it's 8 issues total instead of 7?)
 
 
Janean Patience
19:10 / 18.08.08
This was back at the level of the first issue, I'd say, though the tide turning is very abrupt. I had no idea the big fight at Times Square had achieved anything at all, but according to the recap page it held off the Skrulls. And, having only just Googled Agent Brand, it seems odd that a relatively minor character unknown to anyone who hasn't read Astonishing X-Men and who has played no part in the whole Avengers and Skrull saga thus far should save the day so quickly and easily. But at least it's going somewhere. Slowly. Captain Marvel cracked Thunderbolt Heights at the end of #1. Four issues later...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:36 / 21.08.08
Seeing as Iron Man has spent four issues throwing up like he was back on the sauce again I must say that any Iron Man: Secret Invasion crossover title is going to have it's work cut out telling an interesting story...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:38 / 21.08.08
Janean Patience But at least it's going somewhere. Slowly.

Wasn't that the same problem with House of M, the story crawled along for most of the issues then Stuff! Happened! in the last few issues.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
14:43 / 21.08.08
House of M, which I really enjoyed up until the non-ending.

3 years later and I still don't know where Professor X disappeared to in that story.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:31 / 20.09.08
So #6 is out, and the quality has increased by a smidgen, and that's about it. Some nice art by Yu (especially great Thor images, I thought)... and lots of big double-page spread fight scenes. Hm. We'll see if things get a bit more interesting in the final issues (not holding my breath, though...)

Given the "Embrace Change" ads and marketing campaign that are currently out there, the fact that Bendis has said that his suggested post-SI status quo in the MU is what really excited Editor in Chief Joe Q., and increasing rumors that the Skrulls "win" SI, I'm going to posit this theory: It won't be that the Skrulls "win" per se (after Tony Stark's side 'won' Civil War, having the terrorist eeevil Skrulls win SI in a strict sense seems like it wouldn't really work, dramatically speaking), but that there is a sort of uneasy truce and for some reason, thousands of Skrulls will end up stranded, living here on Earth among us, and that will be the new status quo and the reason for the "Embrace Change" campaign. Like, 'well, they invaded us and we pretty much beat them back, but now they're living among us and we kind of have to deal with them'... maybe it's something like Skrull refugees. Not sure. That's my guess, though.
 
 
osymandus
08:50 / 24.09.08
I actually like that idea , its a nice concept of evolution . The Skrulls are just to one dimensionsal to be entertaining (with the exception of Jazinda in current She-Hulk and the more thoughtfull superskrull in Anniahlation (who is her father !!)).

I think we do need a more progressive change of villians , we reinvented heros a few years back , any chance that intellegent (rather then entirly sociapothic monofocused one dimensional chacracter) can be introduced ??
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
22:25 / 30.09.08
I'm beginning to wonder if the "Spider-woman revealed as a Skrull" moment will be looked back upon as Bendis's jumping of the shark.

His Avengers work has been struggling for a while, mostly due to the derailment of Civil War. But, after reading the last issue of NA which flat out fails to retcon House of M (why would the Skrull Queen be working for Shield?), I just can't buy the assertion that this was planned since the start.

If anyone can point to anything, prior to Civil War, that might hint at Jessica not being Jessica, please make your case here.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
05:06 / 01.10.08
"But, after reading the last issue of NA which flat out fails to retcon House of M (why would the Skrull Queen be working for Shield?), I just can't buy the assertion that this was planned since the start."

Because as they've shown over and over again, the Skrulls in deep-cover most of the time thought they were the people they replaced, it is how they maintained their cover. So, when Wanda started fulfilling wishes she got Drew's wish of being a respected SHIELD agent. Except she and pseudo-Hank 8.0 got their memories back in the house of M world, like the other guy with false memories (Wolverine) did.

Although I'm willing to grant that Jessica as a Skrull was probably a recent addition to the plot. Especially given that she was supposed to get her own book wayyyy before Sekret Invasion. The overall something is controlling the villains, SHIELD and Hydra plot, though started waayy back in Secret War. Don't know if it really was supposed to be Skrulls all along, though.

Which is not to say that I've enjoyed Sekret Invasion, just that it maintains more internal consistency than most people seem to give it credit for.

Have to say I'm looking forward to Dark Reign, especially if its going to have as much Norman Osborne as it seems like.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:18 / 01.10.08
Except she and pseudo-Hank 8.0 got their memories back in the house of M world, like the other guy with false memories (Wolverine) did.

That doesn't work, though, does it? Wolverine got his memories back because that was what he wanted - not because this was a universal consequence of the House of M being created.

Not that it really matters very much. I'm just sayin'.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:03 / 01.10.08
Finderwolf Given the "Embrace Change" ads and marketing campaign that are currently out there, the fact that Bendis has said that his suggested post-SI status quo in the MU is what really excited Editor in Chief Joe Q...

What, Brian Bendis writes ANOTHER story which doesn't end so much as just run out of issues? Colour me completely unsurprised.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:32 / 03.12.08
So it's over.

[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Essential Dazzler
19:36 / 03.12.08
I've been wracking my brains trying to think of something interesting to say beyond listing events in the events in the comic and judging them "Yay, nay, or meh" but Secret Invasion #8 was essentially a dispassionate list of events.

It was the Newsround of comics.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:31 / 03.12.08
That's not really it though, is it E.D.?

If so, that's three more quid I'm going to hate myself, in a low-level ongoing way, for spunking up the wall this week.

Nothing's working out at the moment - shaved, my next door neighbour's cat looks like a perfectly acceptable crack ho from where I'm sitting, with my head in my hands, but nobody's buying, it seems.

Even petty racketeering's impossible to break into, in these credit crunch times of ours.

So 'Secret Invasion' ending like that ... well, it's a fresh blow. It hurts.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
21:48 / 03.12.08
Oh hell no there's more that I forgot!

[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:26 / 04.12.08
I did like the reference, in this week's 'New Avengers' to Luke and Jessica's first, iconic I think, night together. For those who haven't read it, in the scene concerned Luke's trying to think of cute things to talk to their new daughter about, in terms of his and Jessica's relationship.

LUKE: Okay baby. Uh ... I'm going to tell you about the time me and mommy first met.

JESSICA: Already told her.

LUKE: Okay. How about the first time we fought a ...

JESSICA: Already told her.

LUKE: How about the time we ...

JESSICA: That you never tell her.

I'm not going to explain why this might be considered amusing (that's a can of worms best not re-opened) but I'm still sniggering about it now.
 
 
Janean Patience
20:07 / 04.12.08
Longer post tomorrow, but.

That conclusion made no fucking sense at all.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:31 / 05.12.08
I've been wracking my brains trying to think of something interesting to say beyond listing events in the events in the comic and judging them

it would save me looking at Wikipedia for what happened. I gave up on this at around issue 3 or 2, content to read the internet previews and spoilerish reviews.

how has the marvel universe changed?
 
 
Janean Patience
10:04 / 06.12.08
The Skrull Invasion Plan:

1. Spend many years using Skrulls which are exact genetic copies of Reed Richards, right down to his memories, to develop a revolutionary new technique which can create Skrulls which are exact genetic copies of Marvel heroes right down to their memories.

2. Infiltrate the super-hero community with great stealth. Get the obvious factotums and a couple of unremarkable heroes who don't have their own titles. Proceed very slowly and carefully and make sure no-one even suspects our plan.

3. Deliberately blow the entire plan ourselves by getting one of our most powerfully-placed and hard-to-detect agents killed.

4. Make sure that everyone knows there's a major Skrull infiltration by shopping the dead agent's body around until it ends up in the hands of Reed Richards, the one man who can stop our invasion dead in its tracks.

5. Distract the New and Mighty Avengers by crashlanding a spaceship full of duplicates, some of whom we're been hanging onto for 20 years for just this eventuality, in the Savage Land and having them fight. Our Skrull Slugfest Projection software believes the epic fight, factoring in double-page spreads, wisecracks and judicious flashbacks, will continue until approximately September 18th, 2342. Basically we'll never need to worry about all these very powerful heroes again and can just forget about them.

6. Take out all Iron Man's technology, leaving him helpless. But just in case he's still a threat blow the cover of our top agent, the Queen, in a half-hearted attempt to convince him he's a Skrull.

7. By the way, about half of our agents who have replaced heroes will turn against us and prove to be serious assets for the other side. We're just gonna have to deal with this.

8. After winning a fight in Times Square, announce we've taken over the world.

9. Fight all the heroes that we thought we'd neutralised but hadn't in Central Park. Shout out to The Watcher. Lose.

10. Detonate terrifying Doomsday Bomb which is way less formidable than the Venom Bomb which was dealt with so easily a few months ago. Finish losing. Reflect on a job well done.

Deus ex machinas:

The prize for saving the day despite no foreshadowing whatsoever through the entire plotline from Avengers Disassembled to the present is jointly awarded to:

Thor
and
Agent Brand.
 
  

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