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15:15 / 25.04.08

B-but, Wolverine is a skrull, it seems. Nick Fury seems to think so*

Hasn't Wolverine been a Skrull before though? Around the time Scott Lobdell was writing every X-Comic. It didn't play out interestingly back then and I'm not sure it'd have much story potential to have him be a Skrull again. I mean, who cares for one? Wolverine has been through so many boring reveals and twists (battling some Satanic guy, regenerating from a drop of blood, blah blah, clone daughter, son with bad hair) lately that being a Skrull wouldn't be much of a shocking reveal. So yeah, he probably won't be a Skrull.

Janean Patience

16:48 / 25.04.08

Or... will he?

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

18:47 / 25.04.08

Yeah, Wolverine was a Skrull shortly before that "Mutant Skrulls" storyline from back when Alan Davis was pencilling and writing an X-Book, right?

Maybe the Wolverine Skrull was secretly a Skrull. I mean, like, maybe he was actually another completely unrelated Skrull, mimicking the first Skrull, mimicking Wolverine.

You know, I think I just talked myself into thinking an En Sabah Nur (yawn) storyline would be more interesting than this -- which indicates something very sick and bad and wrong. Wrong, I say.

Professor Silly

18:02 / 01.05.08

...spoilers in the forth paragraph...

Notice there's two different colors of circles--I think we have an "either-or" scenario here. Either Wolverine, Sentry, Hulkling, and Strange are Skrulls, or Spider-Man, Daredevil, Lockjaw, Namor, and whoever the girl from Young Avengers are Skrulls. The former group--the red circles--have more of the mysterious pasts that would favor Skrull insertion (just like Elektra). That said, having Wolverine be a Skrull...again!...seems a bit cheap.

I don't think we should assume Tigra is Skrull just 'cause she was sleeping with one. I think it'd be a lot creepier if she wasn't...once she finds out.

Considering the main crux of the Skrull attack involved a computer virus targeting all of Stark's tech...I find it delicious that "Hank" used a similiar technique in taking out Ultron back in Mighty Avengers.

But getting back to Fury's board...in light of the reveal at the end of New Avengers 40: does Fury know that Spider-Woman is a Skrull? His head covers her picture, so we don't know if he put a circle around it between those last two panels. If so, which color? This could very well be a case of "keep your enemies closer," and I'm leaning toward the idea that he does know...if for no other reason that there has to be *some* hope for Earth!

Professor Silly

18:04 / 01.05.08

One more thought: if Spider-Man is revealed as a Skrull, will that undo that utterly stupid deal made with Mephisto in "One More Day?" God, I hope so!

19:00 / 01.05.08

I thought that whole Spider-Woman thing was interesting, because she's definitely one of Bendis' favorite 70s characters. If she's been a Skrull the whole time, ever since Bendis brought her back into the Marvel U. in a major way, that's pretty hard core. I guess the real Jessica Drew will be the star of the next-year ongoing Spider-Woman series that Bendis & Alex Maleev have been planning for a while. (which will be a Jessica Drew Agent of SHIELD-type thing, I think)

19:15 / 01.05.08

where are you guys getting your Secret Invasion checklist from? I was going over the list at Marvel.com but it seems i may be somehow missing some titles. damned crossovers.

Janean Patience

06:00 / 02.05.08

Making the Avengers titles back-up stories for most of a year is sort of an odd decision, don't ya think? Them being meant to be flagships and all? But I'm surprisingly cool with it. Bendis has always done well with the one-off one issue stories and it means Secret Invasion won't be as rushed as Civil War, which spent so many pages launching tie-in titles it lost credibility and coherence.

That said, the Nick Fury issue wasn't a thriller. I've not encountered the Countess before, so this was just another issue in which Bendis gets one of his favourite characters laid before the plot moves along. As deduction methods go, following a suspect while invisible and overhearing a highly incriminationg chat in an alley way isn't subtle. It doesn't tell us much about the Skrull infiltration or Nick Fury, other than he knows.

And this latest Skrull back-up was heavy on exposition. Which probably needed to be done at some stage, but didn't make it the most enthralling read as a single issue. I thought Spider-Woman had a green chin from SI #1 anyway, calling her old buddies with Skrull Jarvis there in the background. But she's an important Skrull, top Skrull, because she was ideally placed to infiltrate and destroy. Really? Forgotten 70s character is keystone to hero hierarchy? Why not use Werewolf at Night too, just to make absolutely sure?

All way, way better than the Hood and Doom storylines, though.

13:24 / 02.05.08

>> Why not use Werewolf at Night too, just to make absolutely sure?

Nice one.

I guess the Skrulls had foreseen (or caused to occur) that Spider-Woman would become part of the New Avengers and therefore be in a more key position (also her double-dealings with Nick Fury, HYDRA, closeness to their arch-enemy Tony Stark as a result of her Avengers membership, etc.)

01:00 / 08.05.08

SECRET INVASION #2 is out aannnd.... nothing really happens. the best part of it was the surprise guest at the Savage Land showdown and Frank Cho's She-Hulk in the back cover ad.

the Avengers [Mighty, New] that I read the other day [one focusing on Spider-Woman, the other in Skrull queen, another one on Fury] moved the plot better than the main crossover title.

01:04 / 08.05.08

and after JP's comment - yeah, pretty weird decisions. timing is off in the tie-ins.

Professor Silly

04:01 / 08.05.08

Looking closely at Fury's board in Mighty Avengers 13 and comparing to the previous view in #12:

He's taken down the picture of Spider-Woman, and replaced it with some guy with rocky-looking shoulders. I don't think he wants anyone else to know all that he know quite yet. Unfortunately, without seeing which color circle he used on her, we can surmise nothing about the others circled. At this point I'm pretty sure one set represents confirmed skulls and the other represent confirmed heroes.

Namor is no longer circled in blue, Iron Man is.

A guy I don't recognize--with a beard and a blue glowing circle on his chest--is now circled in red...he wasn't before. Anyone recognize him?

14:48 / 08.05.08

re: the circled pictures - Fury could certainly be wrong about some of his Skrull theories.

14:50 / 08.05.08

>> SECRET INVASION #2 is out aannnd.... nothing really happens.

My thoughts exactly. We just get a big, drawn-out scene about the might-be Skrulls and some stuff about the might-be-the-real-Mockingbird, thereby undoing her death years ago. Pacing, Bendis! I know you have 7 issues to fill, but really.

15:43 / 08.05.08

maybe it'll be 7 issues because he split issue 1 in two [hence all those double spreads in #2]... oops, doubled paycheck.

15:49 / 08.05.08

Found myself very confused by the Phobos kid in the Avengers ish. Just a kid with some deadbeat father who pretends he's an initiative participant so he can go bang hookers, right?

Agreed on the pacing. But I like the notion that everyone is scattered in the jungle, lost in the savage land with shapeshifters is not a good place to be.

Why did no one think that Mockingbird could just be a Skrull telepath?

Phex: Dorset Doom

17:58 / 08.05.08

...just a kid with some deadbeat father who pretends he's an initiative participant so he can go bang hookers, right?

Nope, that really is Ares, god of war and Mighty Avenger. He's kind of a jerk and to be fair he probably does 'bang hookers' as you so delightfully put it. What was genuinely confusing about Mighty Avengers #16 is how Layla Miller can know all stuff except that she's supposed to be in the future.

19:49 / 08.05.08

'bang hookers' was more meatheaded than i've ever gotten ever.

what disturbed me about dear layla in avengers was her sudden lolita vibe. her incarnation in x-factor: the quick and the dead was a lot more appropriate.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

03:07 / 09.05.08

What was genuinely confusing about Mighty Avengers #16 is how Layla Miller can know all stuff except that she's supposed to be in the future.

I assumed that was covered by this whole issue taking places "Six Months Ago".

Spyder Todd 2008

01:21 / 10.05.08

You know what I was just thinking this afternoon? Back when he was writing Daredevil, Bendis' slow burning urban drama stuff was cool. But in Avengers? I mean... god damn. There should not be a single issue of the Avengers where something doesn't explode. They're Earth's Mightiest Heroes! Thor, and Cap, and Vision, and Iron Man, space gods and monsters from the planets core! Why does it feel like I'm reading fucking Avengers: Detroit or something? I love Spider-Man, no denying, but Spider-Man is really not all that powerful. And he's the most powerful person in New Avengers, yes? Not exactly Quasar or Scarlet Witch, I must say. And I love Nick Fury, but this is not Nick Fury's god damn book. And the last three issues of Avengers has been two issues of Nick Fury, Ex-Agent of SHIELD and one issue of Young Skrulls In Love. I just miss real crazy super hero stories, you know?

Ok. I'm done ranting. Feel free to ignore me.

17:25 / 11.05.08

I love Spider-Man, no denying, but Spider-Man is really not all that powerful. And he's the most powerful person in New Avengers, yes?

Aside from the fact that I think Wolverine might win a fight against Spider-Man, what about Dr Strange? Or Iron Fist? Or Power Man? Just because Dr Strnage, Iron Fist and Power Man aren't as popular as Spider-Man at the moment, it doesn't mean that thay couldn't take him in a square go, right?

17:46 / 11.05.08

I definitely concerned with who's toughest.

Janean Patience

21:37 / 11.05.08

It's beginning to all seem a bit inverted, if that's the right word. As in there must be more important stuff for us to see in Secret Invasion #2 than a bunch of heroes punching Skrulls in the Savage Land. The whole world's been invaded, for fuck's sake. Finding out if this is the real Mockingbird should maybe be happening in an ancillary title, where the Skrull battle plan is unfolding instead. The back-ups have been good, especially this most recent Nick Fury one which was classic Bendis, but I'm not getting much sense that this is a big deal.

Also by now I could do with knowing some more about who's Skrulls and who isn't. Simplistic, perhaps, but the sooner we find out how nefarious this whole invasion is the easier it is to take the threat seriously. It's perhaps a minority opinion, but there's still a little bit too much He's not a Skrull... or is he?

23:55 / 11.05.08

Or is he?

Janean Patience

18:13 / 20.05.08

That's what I want to happen in Secret Invasion. For the heroes to be revealed as Skrulls, and the Skrulls revealed as heroes, and then heroes to Skrulls again and Skrulls to heroes again in a frenzy of double-bluffing and double-dealing until it's happening issue by issue then page by page then panel by panel and finally, when Tony Stark jets down from the Savage Land in a brand new super-suit, he finds everyone just sitting around, looking confused, and Carol Danvers says "Sorry, Tone. We've completely lost track. None of us know who's who anymore." And Tony, ever the pragmatist, says "Fuck it, maybe two Wolverines and three Spider-Men will come in useful," and they all live happily ever after.

Aren't these big events all about creating a new status quo for the Marvel Universe anyway? And covering up continuity mistakes? What could do that better than my elegant solution?

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

14:52 / 22.05.08

Re: Mighty Avengers #14

Well, finally an interesting spin on the fact that everyone can negate the Sentry just by making him freak out. One of those things that is obvious in retrospect but I didn't see coming.

I'm just thrilled to see Bendis finally doing something vaguely useful with him as he's a character that I have almost no interest in.

18:45 / 22.05.08

Glad to hear there's a new idea re: the Sentry, because I too (as I'm sure, many others were) have been tired of every 3 months someone pretends to be the Void or he freaks out because he's having a bipolar episode worrying about the Void, or somesuch... haven't read the issue yet but will soon.

Hallo, Paper Spaceboy

02:42 / 23.05.08

That's what I want to happen in Secret Invasion. For the heroes to be revealed as Skrulls, and the Skrulls revealed as heroes, and then heroes to Skrulls again and Skrulls to heroes again in a frenzy of double-bluffing and double-dealing until it's happening issue by issue then page by page then panel by panel and finally, when Tony Stark jets down from the Savage Land in a brand new super-suit, he finds everyone just sitting around, looking confused, and Carol Danvers says "Sorry, Tone. We've completely lost track. None of us know who's who anymore." And Tony, ever the pragmatist, says "Fuck it, maybe two Wolverines and three Spider-Men will come in useful," and they all live happily ever after.

"Actually," notes Professor X or Emma or whomever, "There's been three Wolverines for, um, what? Five years now?" And the Skrulls just shrug their shoulders and say, "What, you just noticed this now?" And then they laugh, but it's that fucked-up not-quite-laughing found at the end of episodes of Star Trek, cringing actors forced to play fish-bellied human roles, trying to pretend like they find the joke funny. And then Cyclops has a breakdown and it's back to square one. FOR EVERYONE.

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:55 / 23.05.08

lol u should b writin u r bettr than bendis

Janean Patience

16:20 / 23.05.08

Well, finally an interesting spin on the fact that everyone can negate the Sentry just by making him freak out.

It's certainly good to see that development, which has an air of inevitability but still managed to surprise. Though that's partly because for most of the issue I thought this was going to be like the Sentry's Civil War spotlight: Why I'm Not Getting Involved.

It shouldn't have taken a whole issue, though. At first I thought the flashback was going to tie in cleverly with Doom and Stark's pointless trip to the past. Instead one referenced the other and both were unnecessary. The back-ups in New and Mighty Avengers are proceeding at too leisurely a pace. We're going to run out of time here, just like in House of M and Civil War.

22:48 / 13.06.08

anyone still reading SECRET INVASION? #3 was out this week [or the one before], and it's officially an early 90s comic, big guns included. it's an all-fight issue, with the Vsion and some 4th\5th characters being offed and Stark being led to believe he's a sleeper Skrull agent set to shake to ease things for the invasion. ok...

03:08 / 14.06.08

Yep, still reading it - #3 was fluff but enjoyable in a dumb-popcorn-movie way. The thing with Stark is totally a psyche-out; in no way, shape or form (no pun intended) is he a Skrull. The big gun at the end, far too big to be held by any normal human, did make me laugh. Bendis made some joke in an interview that it's made of a special plastic and that's why Fury can carry it.

Janean Patience

10:37 / 14.06.08

We needed a big fight issue. But I hoped Fury's plan, after he's gone to all that trouble collecting his Howling Commandos, would be a bit more complex than ATTACK. Especially as two other teams, neither one crippled by a traitorous Skrull which is supposed to be the Howling Commandos' USP, have just been taken down in no time.

Janean Patience

13:28 / 14.06.08

My apologies. That should have been Howlin' Commandos.

00:02 / 15.06.08

and mine should have been "to shake the MU"...
skrull fingers, behave.

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