BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Star Wars mythology surgery

 
  

Page: 12(3)4567

 
 
Char Aina
12:55 / 11.09.04
why are yoda and ben's ghosts as old as they were when they died while annakin still looks like he's twenty five?
couldnt the old guy have stayed in, seeing as darth was a good few years down the line when he finally drops the life ball? i mean, if ben ages that much between two and four why the fuck is annakin so youthful?

dude, join the dark side!
its like a fucking elixir of life!
unless you're palpatine.
he's fucked.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
18:02 / 11.09.04
tokisk: Well I think that's Lucacs' heavy handed way of letting us know that the old Anakin 'dies' when the new Darth is born. Or somesuch.

"Noooo, my father is dead! You killed him!" Style.
 
 
grant
20:16 / 11.09.04
a cosmic force of evil (Ylang-Ylang)

Aromatherapy fans! BEWARE!!
 
 
PatrickMM
20:43 / 11.09.04
tokisk: Well I think that's Lucacs' heavy handed way of letting us know that the old Anakin 'dies' when the new Darth is born. Or somesuch.

It's true, from a certain point of view. But seriously, I think it makes more sense to have Hayden than to have an old guy who Anakin never actually looked like. It would probably make the most sense to have egg like Vader be the ghost, but I think few would want to see him out of the suit.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:51 / 11.09.04
What a shame for the guy who played the old Anakin Skywalker -- Lucas really pisses on these poor actors, like he did on the one who played the human Jabba in the original footage for ANH.

I believe Jabba was always intended to be replaced by some kind of creature, and they just didn't have the time/budget to do it back in the 70s. So, human Jabba was never meant to be seen. And even if he was meant to be Jabba, the scene was deleted anyway. As for old Anakin, yeah, he's kind of screwed.

I still struggle to understand how Luke recognises Anakin if that one's true, given that the only time he sees him alive he looks like the rubber on the end of an HB pencil.

But that's true either way. How did he recognize that this old guy was Anakin before? If you think about the films from the perspective of someone watching the six in order, the change makes a lot of sense.

The thing that bothers me is that he won't release the original version. Lucas can make all the changes he wants, but he's throwing away money by not releasing the original version.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:23 / 11.09.04
Nah, he's not. This thread is evidence enough that people will still buy the DVDs regardless of whether they come with the original versions or not. "It'll be shit, but I'm still going to watch it" is apparently the Star Wars fans' rallying cry.
 
 
Ben Danes
03:03 / 12.09.04
I prefer the new shot. You see the generations of Jedi, as in who is older and all that, rather than thinking why does Anakin look older than Ben?

Old man Anakin always freaked me out anyway, with that creppy smile. Much prefer Hayden's harsh smirk.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:15 / 12.09.04
What are you talking about? The original Anakin was who Luke saw when he took Darth Vader's helmet off. And Annakin 'doesn't die when he becomes Darth Vader' because otherwise who is it that helps Luke defeat the Emperor?
 
 
Ben Danes
02:22 / 13.09.04
I'm talking about when they're ghosts. I prefer Old Man Anakin as Vader, because Vader is suppossed to be majorly fucked up healthwise, but he freaked me out as a ghost with that creepy smile. Plus he looked older than Obi-wan when they're ghosts, which makes no sense because Anakin is suppossed to be a good 20 years younger than old Ben.

Hence why I like this change.
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:34 / 13.09.04
I used to have a Darth Vader Chupa-Chup holder, where at the flick of a switch, Vader's head would split in half to reveal a Chupa-Chup. Using this, I would re-enact the death of Vader from "Return of the Jedi":

Darth Vader: Luke, help me take this mask off.
Luke: But you'll die.
Darth Vader: Nothing can stop that now. Just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes.

BLAH! Chupa-Chup.
 
 
Benny the Ball
11:27 / 13.09.04
Snigger, Morgue, you card.

remember the Darth Vader head carry case? That and the Hoth exploding ion cannon were about the worst Star Wars related presents I ever got.

Even though I hated Luke in the films, I always like the Degoba/Bespin pilot costume figure... I digress.

I'm suprised that Lucas hasn't taken out the kiss between Leia and Luke from Empire - so incest is fine, but a rogue that shots first is out of the question (HATE greedo shooting first, the whole scene sets up for Han to shoot him, it's played that way - the man has no respect of actors, none!!!!)

Just how long does it take to build a death star?
 
 
akira
13:08 / 13.09.04
Apparently its been changed again for the DVD, they shoot at the same time now.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:24 / 13.09.04
The Death Star is fookin' HUGE, and it is.
Starship Dimensions
 
 
hanabius yamamura
16:12 / 13.09.04
... dude, apologies re off-topic comment but, what a cool f#@king site!!!
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
19:22 / 13.09.04
Does anyone really consider the reduxed OT or the prequels "canon"?
Way to rape my childhood.
All this re-jigging of the OT just goes to show how much Lucas has fucked up with the prequels.

I'm a purist dammit, I want the original trilogy and nothing else thanks.

As for the Yoda species question I heard a satisfactory rumour that he was a very, VERY old human being. I liked it enough to take it as my explanation. Which is why he's so good with the Force and leaderly with the Jedi.
 
 
PatrickMM
20:43 / 13.09.04
What are you talking about? The original Anakin was who Luke saw when he took Darth Vader's helmet off. And Annakin 'doesn't die when he becomes Darth Vader' because otherwise who is it that helps Luke defeat the Emperor?

But the guy he sees under the helmet and the guy he sees standing at the Dagobah party don't have much of a resemblence. I think it makes more sense to have young Anakin, since old Anakin as seen at the end of Jedi never existed, looking like that.
 
 
Benny the Ball
20:53 / 13.09.04
I think Mace should appear as well, and seven randomly chosen Jedi council memebers that Luke doesn't know, and for fine measure Boba Fett and the Human Jabba that Hutt - all shooting first, and with Russell Crowes voice.

Cock-knocker
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:03 / 13.09.04
I was three years old when I first saw Star Wars, at the Hackney Empire or Odeon with my nan and older sister. I never realised how much of the film I remembered clearly until I saw it years later on video and the only bit I didn't recall perfectly was a shot as the Mellenium Falcon is dragged into the Death Star by tractor beam, and you see some troopers milling about on the edge of space. I loved those films as a kid, everything made sense, anything that didn't fit, I applied child logic to, and filled the gaps.

When the redone OT was released I sat and watched, and felt so angry at the stupid films. Then the new trilogy came and I thought that Lucas had no respect or imagination, for actors or fans. The films as they were made that idiot all his money. Yeah, I even loved Jedi, even though I was a bit older and felt that it was the weakest of the films - but the stupid song and dance number made me hate that film - more than the original's weak portayal of Han, hated it, and slowly I began to hate the others (Empire, I love still, but can't watch the new one at all), trying desperately to remember fondly Peter Cushing as the villian, trying to remember Lando being cool and dancing badly, trying to remember that wonderful feeling when the first leg of an AT-AT came crashing down - remember how my mum had loved Empire with me, how much we enjoyed watching that film, how I'd get up early for the x-mas special and the first clip on TV-AM (Jabba's palace, Salacious Crumb chewing on 3-PO's eye). With every bit of news about that man's greed, I find it harder to remember those things, and just keep thinking of Boba Fett in every shot, Greedo shooting first, etc fucking et-shitting-c.
 
 
Loomis
07:22 / 14.09.04
*pats Benny on shoulder*

There there. The bad man can't hurt you now. There there.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:12 / 14.09.04
Thanks Loomis, I feel like the Rancor Keeper now.
 
 
fluid_state
16:21 / 14.09.04
Cheer up, beast-boy. It could be a lot worse.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:52 / 15.09.04
I hear that now Lucas is going to start going back and changing OTHER people's movies.
How do you feel about Tom Cruise in Blade Runner, with Jean-Claude Van Damme as Roy Batty, and a thrilling kickboxing match on top of hurtling Spinners, after Roy kicks Deckard's PKD blaster out of his hand, with a worried Rachael (Penelope Cruz) looking on?
Of course, Zhora SHOOTS FIRST.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:07 / 15.09.04
Y'all really should have taped the originals off the telly, huh?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:52 / 15.09.04
I have to admit, after hearing about the recent Empire of Dreams huge documentary shown on A&E a few nights ago (it's going to be on the Star Wars DVD) and after watching the THX 1138 DVD a friend got, I just might shell out the money for the Star Wars original trilogy DVD set, even though I really can't stand Lucas right now...
 
 
Char Aina
23:34 / 15.09.04
is that like funding terrorists instead of being one?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:12 / 16.09.04
after watching the THX 1138 DVD a friend got

Hasn't that been remastered as well? I do hope he didn't fuck with it too badly... I love that film.

Oh well... my trilogy box set's on order... not sure whether I'm looking forward to or dreading next Monday...
 
 
FinderWolf
16:17 / 16.09.04
The THX DVD is remastered, but having watched it two nights ago but never having seen the orignial, I'd guess that the only cleanups Lucas did were some establishing shots of the cities and cars (futuristic looking and all, minor CGI there) and maybe some very subtle, minor cleanup on some of the tech. But most scenes feature technology that's clunky and old-looking (like what they thought the future would look like in the early 70s, huge big computer machines with tape reels, etc.). So I'd say Lucas' cleanups for THX are very, very mild and almost unnoticeable.
 
 
rakehell
04:42 / 17.09.04
From theforce.net, here's a list of changes to the original trilogy DVDs.

A New Hope:

- 24'51" : twin sun effect has been renewed.

- 48'50" : Han Solo avoids Greedo's shot before shooting at him.

- 50'30" : Jabba effect renewed completely, in accordance with Episode 1.

- 71'30" and after : Death Star jail corridor is much deeper.

- 77' : the garbage monster has been improved.

- 82'10" : "Power" and "Tractor Beam" stencils have been replaced with Star Wars "foreign" signs.

Empire Strikes Back:

- 50'56" to 52'05" : Emperor's hologram has been reshot with Ian Mc Dairmid. A new dialog has been recorded and Palpatine informs Vader about Luke's real identity!

- 63'42", 87'18" & 98'39" : Boba Fett's dialog has been re-recorded by Temuera Morrison.

- 92'05" & 92"15 : Han Solo's black jacket has been erased, due to cut mistakes in the original movie.

- 101'40" : Luke's scream, which was added in the '97 Special Edition, has been removed again.

Return Of The Jedi:

- 24'44" and after : Edge transparency defects around the Rancor have been removed.

- 115'41" : Old Anakin's eyebrows have been erased and eyes are now blue, to fit with Hayden Christensen.

- 120'44" : Naboo has been added to Tatooine, Bespin, Coruscant and Endor victory celebration scenes.

- 120'58" & 121'03" : Senate & Jedi temple are now included in Coruscant panoramic view.

- 122'30" : As everyone knows already, Hayden appears as a ghost beside Yoda and old Obi-Wan at the end of the movie.


That first change in Empire is just idiotic. Completely and utterly ruins the impact of the "Luke, I am your father" scene.
 
 
rakehell
05:00 / 17.09.04
And here is a website showing frame by frame comparisons between the original, the special edition and the new DVDs.
 
 
Loomis
08:20 / 17.09.04
Well isn't that just fucking great. The garbage monster now looks like Sauron's mini-me.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:49 / 17.09.04
So, um, does Luke still holler "Carrie!" when he jumps out of his X-Wing after blowing the Death Star?
 
 
_Boboss
08:51 / 17.09.04
read the comic linked to on that page where greedo's mum sues han. sfunny.


y'know, fr geeks.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:57 / 17.09.04
The ANH Jabba looks better, at least. Small mercies.
 
 
Warewullf
17:24 / 17.09.04
Wow, that Special Edition Jabba really did look shit, didn't he?
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:59 / 18.09.04
And now Lucas has censored all the bits where Imperial officers get shot? Oh, FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKING FAT FUCKER!
 
  

Page: 12(3)4567

 
  
Add Your Reply