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DC Universe Surgery

 
  

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Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:41 / 23.05.07
Yay! Magnus even looks kinda like how he looked in Doom Patrol. This sounds like it's going to be something really special.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:30 / 24.05.07
Inspired by the graphic, I ended up buying a couple old Metal Men comics - two Brave and the Bold affairs, and two issues of "The New Metal Men" - the phase where they forced them to look like regular human beings and completely drained the characters of their unique appearances. It was...bizarre.

The B&B stuff included the following exchange--

TINA: Oh, if only Doc Magnus were here to share this!

MERCURY: Tina! You know Doc's long been the puppet of a power-mad foreign dictator via a brain operation...he's as good as dead!

...which really highlights when a swell guy Mercury was programmed to be.

I'm liking what I've seen of Rouleau's redesigns for the 'bots, it's not a silly 90s revamp but the clunky designs make them look cuter or more polymorphously sexy -- particularly prettyboy Gold.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:57 / 07.06.07
Ok, so I finally read all the way through Gotham Central and I am trying to fill some holes.

Spoilers ahead.






At the end of GC Renee's partner is dead and she almost kills Corrigan before quitting the force. I read 52 and at the beginning of that the events in GC re mentioned. Did anything major happen between?

Also, what ended up happening with Corrigan?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
21:04 / 07.06.07
Her partner, Crispus Allen came back as the new host for the Spectre. His teenage son then ended up killing Corrigan in revenge for his fathers murder - Crispus in his role as the Spectre then had to kill his son. Most of this happened in the not very good Spectre three issue mini that came out after 8C. Not sure if Montoya and Allen have met at all since his return.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:23 / 07.06.07
They haven't met since his quasi-resurrection. Although one of the other Gotham Central officers figured that the Spectre/Horrible Supernatural Serial Killer was Allen in (the really crap) "Tales of the Unexpected".

One would assume that Rene/The Question and Allen/Spectre may meet in the new "Crime Bible" series.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:52 / 05.07.07
So I was just reading BLUE BEETLE #16, where ECLIPSO (the female one) is described as "the wrath of God." Last I heard that was The SPECTRE's job.

can anyone fill me in on the whats,whens & How's of that shift in job descriptions?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:09 / 05.07.07
it was established either in the 90s Eclipso series or the Spectre story arc just after that series was cancelled that Eclipso was the prior incarnation of the Wrath of God, before the Spectre. My memory is a little fuzzy on this point but I think it got booted for refusing to end the great flood, which it had started on God's say so.
 
 
_pin
11:21 / 07.07.07
Can someone please tell me where the Batman-continuity is happening, RE his being on top of a stone plinth that I can't identify in those Countdown ads that have replaced the FLASH: Fastest Man Being Stood On By Rogues ones, his having a symbolic sword symbolically hearalding the return of an enemy, etc? Or is this in Morrison's stuff?

And why is he still on top of that freaking roof in Amazon's Attack? Why would you put Batman in a danger zone when he can't be relied upon to get out and anywhere else quickly, what with not, under his own steam, actually flying or moving particularly quickly, etc?
 
 
Mario
14:56 / 08.07.07
The Countdown promo is (apparently) entirely symbolic, and not a scene from a particular story.
 
 
Mario
15:05 / 08.07.07
Ostrander revealed that Eclipso was the Wrath of God before the Spectre in his Spectre run... I think it was issue #17 or 18.
 
 
TimCallahan
03:10 / 09.07.07
I don't know if this is DC Surgery exactly, but here's a question that I'm wondering about:

Before Crisis on Infinite Earths #1, what comic book had the most characters appear in a single issue?

The reason I ask is that I just re-read the last part of The Great Darkness Saga for a project, and Paul Levitz includes over 50 significant characters (you know, people with superhero names and stuff--not including the billions of Daxamites referred in the issue and the nameless background characters) in that one issue. Was that issue (from 1982) the previous record holder of most characters in a single comic book?

I asked this question on my blog and have gotten no response, so I thought Barbelith might know!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
08:16 / 09.07.07
I can't say for sure, Tim, but some issues of All-Star Squadron had pretty much every single WWII-era DC hero gathered in one place. There was at least one JSA/JLA/ASS crossover book (Per Degaton was involved, IIRC) that had RIDICULOUS numbers of characters in it.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:35 / 09.07.07
My goodness, whoever created All-Star Squadron certainly didn't have acronyms in mind.
 
 
gridley
15:20 / 09.07.07
Oh, I rather think that they did.
 
 
This Sunday
05:26 / 11.08.07
One of the few good things about the Daredevil/Batman crossover book was the visual of Two-Face walking about with a shotgun (single barrel, which seems a misstep, but still) anda nice coat. Looking more or less like a DA gone evil or having an I'm not cool enough, but maybe I can look like I am mid-life crisis might. Falling Down with a pricier necktie.

Did this look feature anywhere else? It seems terribly familiar.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
11:42 / 12.08.07
What's the status of Daxam/Daxamites in the current-era DC Universe? I've been re-reading old Legion comics, and there's so much rebooting/rejiggering of Legion continuity that I have no idea where Daxam fits into things any more.
 
 
Mario
15:18 / 12.08.07
They haven't been seen since Our World At War, but it can be assumed that they are still around (especially given Mon-El's recent appearance in the Zod storyline)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:13 / 02.09.07
Apologies if this has been dealt with already (I've got a horrible feeling I might even have asked myself) but, even speed-reading thirty nine pages seemed a bit much ...

So, what's the deal with Jason Todd? What's he up to these days, and why is he alive?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:20 / 02.09.07
Yes, it appears I did ask about this back on page 24.

It seems to have defeated the panel though - is the picture any less murky now?
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:35 / 02.09.07
He's alive, primarily because Superboy Prime punched a wall and changed reality. Everyone still remembers that he ought to be dead though. It's not completely clear if the Jason that's running around is actually from another universe, or if he's just a sort of quantum wobble of the main one.

Currently he's running around as a bit of a knify loon - mainly in Countdown currently. It's my understanding that beyond 'knify loon' no two writers have really presented him with the same personality since he reappeared.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:12 / 03.09.07
i think 'knifey loon' is as good as characterisation gets post-identity crisis.

i thought it was horrible how he was killed first time round (by phone in vote!) and even more horrible when they brought him back (did i miss the vote on that one?)
 
 
Jamie
16:06 / 03.09.07
Currently he's running around as a bit of a knify loon - mainly in Countdown currently.

If you aren't reading The All-New Atom (and why not?) you missed a great scene where the spirit of Ted Kord laid the verbal smack down on "JT" before they were attacked by Jetpack Hitler in the afterlife. There was also an interesting bit with afterimages of Donna Troy and Jason Todd that were left behind after they found the "turnstyle" out of "Heaven" (and a comment about "You should see how many Hawkman has.")

If everyone used him as a jackass who is always getting put in his place (kinda like Guy Gardner in Giffen/deMatteis's JLA), I could come to appreciate his presence.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
16:18 / 03.09.07
Yeah. He great in the Atom. But that's coz everything's great in the Atom. Coz with the possible exception of George himself, Gail Simone is probably the best mainstream superhero writer DC's currently got. Very little in my comic reading habit lately has really come close to providing as much joy as a book in which Jetpack Hitler appears and isn't even the best thing in the issue.
 
 
SiliconDream
00:53 / 04.09.07
What's the status of Daxam/Daxamites in the current-era DC Universe?

The Daxamites were wiped out around 2700 or so by Trom. By the 31st century there's people living on Daxam again, apparently colonists from some other world. Mon-El seems to be the only remaining Daxamite, although there's some Kryptonian descendants living on Rokyn.
 
 
Aertho
16:18 / 04.09.07
What was Amazons Attack? What did it promise and then fall flat? Why are fans enraged(again)? Why is it different than other crossovers, the ones wherein people roll their eyes and move on?
 
 
Jamie
18:02 / 04.09.07
I believe (not having followed the crossover) that people are upset because it requires everyone involved to act out of character. That being said, I did flip to the last page to get a look at the shocking revelation, and I'm amazed that I'm the only person that digs it.


[+] [-] Spoiler
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:40 / 05.09.07
I happened to find Will Pfeiffer's blog, and he asked readers to comment on the end of Amazons Attack, and that was some wild vitrol. Like acid. Plus there was eyestabby, but the whole affair was a little awkward--as blogs often are--though I have to give him props ("props?") for opening the question up like that.

I think whole thing highlighted for me just how editorially mandated the whole thing was, and how those puppet strings might, ah, restrict an ordinarily decent comic book writer's skills.
 
 
Jamie
15:31 / 05.09.07
I think whole thing highlighted for me just how editorially mandated the whole thing was, and how those puppet strings might, ah, restrict an ordinarily decent comic book writer's skills.

I don't recall where I saw it, but I believe even the editor has said some negative things about the story.

I still like the ending, but maybe that's because I didn't read the miniseries and have no investment in the DC's take on Greek mythology (wasn't the point of the New Gods that they replaced the Old Gods?)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:18 / 05.09.07
Actually, I think the New Gods were meant to replace the Norse, specifically the Marvel Asgardians, when Kirby moved over to DC from Marvel, way back in the day. But that was meant to be more of a metatextual way.

As for the Greek Gods...well. Wonder Woman was still around, still a corner stone, so I don't think they ever sufficiently replaced them.

But DCU theology really doesn't make much sense, which is a bit of lovely.
 
 
Mario
14:52 / 06.09.07
It's a bit complicated, but I'll do my best.

When Jack created the New Gods, it's pretty clear from the art that his idea for the Old Gods were the Asgardians. Specifically, the Marvel Asgardians. At the time, there were no classical gods regularly appearing in any DC books, so there wasn't any confusion.

After Crisis, George Perez brought the Greek Gods (and later, the Roman gods) into prominence in his WW run, and DC also brought Captain Marvel back into the public eye. So it was suggested (in Perez's "History of the DC Universe") that the Old Gods were actually the Titans of Myth, and the great war that created the New Gods was their battle with the Olympians.

That didn't last very long, and was soon forgotten. The Old Gods became disconnected from any terrestrial mythology, although they tended to have faux-Norse names. When a few Norse gods started showing up, the similarities were chalked up to a weird connection between the world of the Old Gods and Asgard.

That's more or less how things sit now.
 
 
My Mom Thinks I'm Cool
19:56 / 12.09.07
Is Bizzaro Superman still weak against Kryptonite? red sunlight? yellow sunlight? eh?
 
 
the credible hulk
04:36 / 13.09.07
Did I miss a chapter of Sinestro Corps?

Why is Kyle Rayner in Countdown/Search for Ray Palmer as his old "regular GL" self as opposed to ION?

Is this just bad scheduling on DC's part?
 
 
The Falcon
10:20 / 13.09.07
Probably.

Mon-El seems to be the only remaining Daxamite, although there's some Kryptonian descendants living on Rokyn.

Not true, however! Sodam Yat has appeared in Geoff Johns and Dave Gibbons 'let's make a 14-issue crossover out of one page from an old Alan Moore GLC story ('Tygers', btw)' Sinestro Corps thing.
 
 
the credible hulk
19:16 / 13.09.07
Oh, never mind. It looks like there's a new issue of GL out this week, my comic store just didn't have any in when I stopped by.
 
 
The Falcon
20:23 / 13.09.07
I'm told it doesn't help none, tch.
 
  

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